Will Donald Trump Impose Martial Law?

[+OverSword]

The regular seasonal flu is much worse, and it’s one thing for a **** hole country like China (couldn’t resist) to have a large amount of deaths due to pandemic but the percentage of deaths in the USA would be vastly smaller. This is again more TDS. 

Shouldn’t this be in the conspiracy section?

Edited February 25, 2020 by OverSword

[micahc]

I think the term martial law is thrown around a lot but civil authority has the ability to act in emergencies. I live in a hurricane prone area. The civil authority declares curfews, has laws against price gouging for things like hotels, gas, food, etc. They close bridges, or restrict access to certain areas.  They set up shelters, order evacuations, though they don't physically move people just tell them if they stay they are on their own.  And they also end liquor sales before the storm arrives. Italy told 50k people in 12 towns to stay inside due to the virus.  I don't think that is marshal law. I really think nothing much will happen. I think there could be pockets of panic, such as people stocking up on food, water, money, bullets, and the civil authority might have to react with crowd control, or road closures mainly to keep people from hurting themselves.  If hospitals are overwhelmed, they might have to commandeer buildings again all under civil authority.  I really doubt we will reach the point where the military will need to seize power and control the streets. The national guard might be needed perhaps but again they usually report to the governor unless called into federal service.  Just wash your hands and don't eat monkeys, snakes, or bats.  I think we will be ok.

[+DieChecker]

4 hours ago, OverSword said:

The regular seasonal flu is much worse, and it’s one thing for a **** hole country like China (couldn’t resist) to have a large amount of deaths due to pandemic but the percentage of deaths in the USA would be vastly smaller. This is again more TDS. 

Shouldn’t this be in the conspiracy section?

The whole world is making this a big deal. It's a lot bigger then SARS or MARS, but I thought those were way overblown too.

Some numbers on the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Possibly 41,000 people killed by flu in 2019, and few people cared. The stock market didnt care at all.

Edited February 25, 2020 by DieChecker

[+OverSword]

3 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

The whole world is making this a big deal. It's a lot bigger then SARS or MARS, but I thought those were way overblown too.

Some numbers on the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Possibly 41,000 people killed by flu in 2019, and few people cared. The stock market didnt care at all.

I’ve pointed this out several times in various threads the sheep here don’t care either. The flu just isn’t sexy not the stuff of martial law or dictator trump.

[DarkHunter]

Just now, OverSword said:

I’ve pointed this out several times in various threads the sheep here don’t care either. The flu just isn’t sexy not the stuff of martial law or dictator trump.

The difference is the flu on average has a mortality rate between approximately 0.15% and 0.8% while the coronavirus seems to have a mortality rate between 2% and 4%, that is assuming the information from China is even accurate.

The bigger problem is that so far the only information about the coronavirus has come from the Chinese government who besides from having a known record of lieing about anything that could make them look bad has largely been sending conflicting messages.

China says they got the coronavirus under control and isnt a concern but then shuts down entire cities to the point of only allowing 1 person per family out every other day to get supplies, ordering that the dead from the coronavirus should be cremated immediately and funerals are to no longer be an option, and various videos making it online that seem to show various extreme actions being taken.

While coronavirus is probably not going to be like the Spanish flu or black death it has a decent chance of being worse then seasonal flu but people will always overreact.

[RoofGardener]

15 hours ago, Michelle said:

No they haven't.

• REAL ID does NOT apply to the following:
  • Entering federal facilities that do not require a person to present identification
  • Voting or registering to vote
  • Applying for or receiving federal benefit
  • Being licensed by a state to drive
  • Accessing health- or life- preserving services (including hospitals and health clinics), law enforcement, or constitutionally protected activities (including a defendant's access to court proceedings)
  • Participating in law enforcement proceedings or investigations

https://www.ok.gov/dps/FAQs/REAL_ID_FAQs.html

Ye gods.. don't need ID to get a drivers license, or register to vote, or claim benefits ? 

What USE is it ? 

14 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

I frequently get bit.

Doug

You just DID, with your link below....

15 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Here's something that may be helpful.

https://www.worldometers.info/coronavirus/coronavirus-age-sex-demographics/

You see, the article you linked to broke down fatalities by sex. But it only listed TWO sexes, rather than the officially recognised (by progressives) 23. Accordingly, you are committing a patriarchal-white-privilege microagression, and are therefore an islamophobic racist with no more right to exist than a weasel. 

 

 

 

Edited February 25, 2020 by RoofGardener

[Raptor Witness]

Study of 72,000 COVID-19 patients finds 2.3% death rate - University of Minnesota 2-24-2020

Death rate in critically ill: 49% or higher
______________

Anyone here who tries to minimalize the devastating statistics, compared to the seasonal flu, are clearly devoid of any humanity, and have questionable motives, that go well beyond ignorance.

Humanism is not humanity. Humanity should be at peace with the earth, humanism is at war. So of course they tried to minimalize the danger, ignoring the Earth’s life force, and weaponry, believing falsely that the humanists were in control.

 

 

Edited February 25, 2020 by Raptor Witness

[WanderingFool0]

6 hours ago, DieChecker said:

The whole world is making this a big deal. It's a lot bigger then SARS or MARS, but I thought those were way overblown too.

Some numbers on the flu.

https://www.cdc.gov/flu/about/burden/preliminary-in-season-estimates.htm

Possibly 41,000 people killed by flu in 2019, and few people cared. The stock market didnt care at all.

Regular flu death numbers have no meaning in comparison to the death numbers of covid19, since the number of people infected by the "regular" flu is in orders of magnitude greater than the number of people that are currently and have been infected by covid19.

Personally, I don't know how bad it is either way, but one would have to have an accurately calculated death rate and then apply that death rate mathematically to a population the same size as those infected by the regular flu and see the resulting estimated death number.

Edited February 25, 2020 by WanderingFool0
correction

[Doug1029]

51 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

You just DID, with your link below....

I knew that would come back to bite me.

 

I have no idea how many genders are recognized by some groups.  The only thing provable is how many combinations of sex chromosomes produce viable individuals and I'm not sure how many of those there are.  Until then, one wild claim is as good as the other.

Doug

[Doug1029]

35 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Study of 72,000 COVID-19 patients finds 2.3% death rate - University of Minnesota 2-24-2020

Death rate in critically ill: 49% or higher
______________

Anyone here who tries to minimalize the devastating statistics, compared to the seasonal flu, are clearly devoid of any humanity, and have questionable motives, that go well beyond ignorance.

Humanism is not humanity. Humanity should be at peace with the earth, humanism is at war. So of course they tried to minimalize the danger, ignoring the Earth’s life force, and weaponry, believing falsely that the humanists were in control.

That information is a little dated.  Things are changing fast and it's hard to keep up.

As of yesterday, there were 77,000 flu cases admitted to hospitals.  That number has probably been exceeded as I write.  But it doesn't look like we will reach the forecast 100,000 hospital admissions by the end of the week.

Wutan flu mortality rate is about 2-3% overall.  Higher mortality rates have been reported, but those apply only to those admitted to hospitals, the most critically ill patients.

The infection rate is about 70% of those exposed.  What portion of the population will be exposed is unknown and is likely to vary with the country, anyway.

World-wide deaths are expected to eventually exceed 225 million, probably about two years from now.

Wutan flu is already affecting supply lines.  Manufacturing in Wutan has been shut down and much of our imported merchandise comes from there.  Further supply chain disruptions are expected as the flu spreads.  Wall Street is getting ready to panic.  As soon as the disease breeches containment in the US, we're likely to see serious economic, and possibly political, consequences.

Wutan flu is out of containment in Italy and probably Japan and South Korea.  Containment is still holding in the US.  Other countries - insufficient data.  It is probably only a matter of time before it gets out of containment in the US.

After firing most of our disease and epidemic specialists who could be fighting the epidemic (Trump said they weren't needed.), Trump has asked Congress for $2 billion to fight it.

Doug

[+OverSword]

7 hours ago, DarkHunter said:

The difference is the flu on average has a mortality rate between approximately 0.15% and 0.8% while the coronavirus seems to have a mortality rate between 2% and 4%, that is assuming the information from China is even accurate.

The bigger problem is that so far the only information about the coronavirus has come from the Chinese government who besides from having a known record of lieing about anything that could make them look bad has largely been sending conflicting messages.

China says they got the coronavirus under control and isnt a concern but then shuts down entire cities to the point of only allowing 1 person per family out every other day to get supplies, ordering that the dead from the coronavirus should be cremated immediately and funerals are to no longer be an option, and various videos making it online that seem to show various extreme actions being taken.

While coronavirus is probably not going to be like the Spanish flu or black death it has a decent chance of being worse then seasonal flu but people will always overreact.

As I pointed out those numbers are true in China and the third world. The fatalities in Italy for instance are in the migrant and refugee communities who are reluctant to get help from authorities. The person that died here locally was From China and didn’t go to the hospital until it was too late. 

Have you noticed that even an infection like Ebola is not fatal if you contract it in the USA?

This is not a thing except an exciting news story.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Ye gods.. don't need ID to get a drivers license, or register to vote, or claim benefits ? 

What USE is it ? 

You just DID, with your link below....

You see, the article you linked to broke down fatalities by sex. But it only listed TWO sexes, rather than the officially recognised (by progressives) 23. Accordingly, you are committing a patriarchal-white-privilege microagression, and are therefore an islamophobic racist with no more right to exist than a weasel. 

 

 

 

Wow, All I can say is Wow

Are you kidding a Weasel

Peace

Edited February 25, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[Vorg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/world/all-16-of-vietnams-coronavirus-sufferers-cured/ar-BB10lChM?ocid=spartandhp

HANOI, Feb 25 (Reuters) - All 16 people in Vietnam infected with a new coronavirus have been cured, the health ministry said on Tuesday, adding that no new cases have been recorded since Feb. 13.

The last known patient, a 50-year-old man infected by his daughter who returned from China's central city of Wuhan, where the virus first emerged, has recovered and is in good condition, the ministry said in a statement.

It was not immediately clear when the last patient would be discharged from hospital.

It simply takes time to study a virus and make a cure for it. Seems they have done it.

Edited February 25, 2020 by South Alabam

[Raptor Witness]

There is considerable resistance in the human family to the seasonal flu, there is no resistance to this virus. That’s why they initially called it the ”novel coronavirus.”

Calling this virus the “flu“ is like calling your mother, a giraffe, Doug. 

The Coronavirus is a different species of animal than influenza, but ignorance is bliss, I guess?

[Vorg]

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/drugmaker-readies-possible-coronavirus-vaccine-for-testing/ar-BB10mZDK?ocid=spartandhp

Drugmaker Moderna has shipped its first batch of a possible coronavirus vaccine for humans to government researchers for testing.

[Michelle]

4 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Ye gods.. don't need ID to get a drivers license, or register to vote, or claim benefits ? 

What USE is it ? 

No idea really. I'm only getting one so I don't have to take my passport to board every flight I take.

[Grim Reaper 6]

39 minutes ago, Michelle said:

No idea really. I'm only getting one so I don't have to take my passport to board every flight I take.

You know these new IDs are a tracking device, but what choice do we really have. I know it not mandatory but sooner or later it will so really what else can you do.

Peace

[Festina]

On 2/24/2020 at 4:11 AM, joc said:

Since no one can count on you to do anything other than spread fear...

In an effort to actually inform people:

This is a very good read about what the Coronavirus is and is not and the comparisons to the flu.

How does the new coronavirus compare with the flu?

Snip from your link..

Even so, the death rate for COVID-19 varied by location and an individual’s age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. Nobody 9 and under has died of this coronavirus to date. 

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, South Alabam said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/health-news/drugmaker-readies-possible-coronavirus-vaccine-for-testing/ar-BB10mZDK?ocid=spartandhp

Drugmaker Moderna has shipped its first batch of a possible coronavirus vaccine for humans to government researchers for testing.

I really hope it's works, but I am optimistic. One thing about the article in the link that seems to be very obvious is that they talk more about how this is boosting their stock than they do about the vaccine. I wonder how many pharmaceutical companies will try and boost they stock prices the same way by simple making claims.

Peace

[Grim Reaper 6]

36 minutes ago, Festina said:

Snip from your link..

Even so, the death rate for COVID-19 varied by location and an individual’s age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. Nobody 9 and under has died of this coronavirus to date. 

 

Who Situation Report Dated 25 February 2020

Below is there findings during their recent Mission to China along with a link to the entire report.

As you know, the team has traveled to several different provinces, including Wuhan.

The team has made a range of findings about the transmissibility of the virus, the severity of disease and the impact of the measures taken.

They found that the epidemic peaked and plateaued between the 23^rd of January and the 2nd of February, and has been declining steadily since then.

They have found that there has been no significant change in the DNA of the virus.

They found that the fatality rate is between 2% and 4% in Wuhan, and 0.7% outside Wuhan.

Below is a link to the World Health Organizations Director Generals Report:

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---24-february-2020

Link to all the World Health Organization Situation Reports:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/

Hope this information is helpful.

Peace

 

[Festina]

11 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Who Situation Report Dated 25 February 2020

Below is there findings during their recent Mission to China along with a link to the entire report.

As you know, the team has traveled to several different provinces, including Wuhan.

The team has made a range of findings about the transmissibility of the virus, the severity of disease and the impact of the measures taken.

They found that the epidemic peaked and plateaued between the 23^rd of January and the 2nd of February, and has been declining steadily since then.

They have found that there has been no significant change in the DNA of the virus.

They found that the fatality rate is between 2% and 4% in Wuhan, and 0.7% outside Wuhan.

Below is a link to the World Health Organizations Director Generals Report:

https://www.who.int/dg/speeches/detail/who-director-general-s-opening-remarks-at-the-media-briefing-on-covid-19---24-february-2020

Link to all the World Health Organization Situation Reports:

https://www.who.int/emergencies/diseases/novel-coronavirus-2019/situation-reports/

Hope this information is helpful.

Peace

 

It is, thank you.  I don’t give the disease itself much attention but the hysteria surrounding it concerns me.

And  the $2.5 billion. I’m suspicious of federal government spending — no matter who’s in office.  Thieves, the lot of them. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-white-house-2-5-billion-plan-vaccine-congress-funding/

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 minutes ago, Festina said:

It is, thank you.  I don’t give the disease itself much attention but the hysteria surrounding it concerns me.

And  the $2.5 billion. I’m suspicious of federal government spending — no matter who’s in office.  Thieves, the lot of them. 

https://www.cbsnews.com/news/coronavirus-white-house-2-5-billion-plan-vaccine-congress-funding/

I totally agree with you, but currently it's hard to post accurate information on this subject. There is way to many conspiracy theories and fear to get accurate information posted, it just get lost in the mix. I am trying change that let's see what's. As far the Goverment Spending your right it hard to tell what that money will spent for, maybe a wall!!

Peace

[Raptor Witness]

On 2/24/2020 at 4:15 PM, Raptor Witness said:

 

I wonder if President Trump can put the Federal Reserve under martial law?

 

[Big Jim]

3 hours ago, Festina said:

Snip from your link..

Even so, the death rate for COVID-19 varied by location and an individual’s age, among other factors. For instance, in Hubei Province, the epicenter of the outbreak, the death rate reached 2.9%; in other provinces of China, that rate was just 0.4%. In addition, older adults have been hit the hardest. The death rate soars to 14.8% in those 80 and older; among those ages 70 to 79, the COVID-19 death rate in China seems to be about 8%; it’s 3.6% for those ages 60 to 69; 1.3% for 50 to 59; 0.4% for the age group 40 to 49; and just 0.2% for people ages 10 to 39. Nobody 9 and under has died of this coronavirus to date. 

 

Without doing a bunch of research, those figures from age 40 on up look like they'd be comparable to the mortality rate from all events or even lower.  Very few people live beyond their 80s, so by 89 the normal death rate is probably in the 80 or 90% range.   It makes sense that the death rate at ground zero would be higher because the virus had surprise on its side.

[+and-then]

This is the first U.S. advisory I've seen that acknowledges coming widespread community disruptions.

https://www.foxnews.com/health/coronavirus-disruption-in-us-might-be-severe-cdc-official-says

 

“As more and more countries experience community spread, successful containment at our borders becomes harder and harder,” Messonnier said. “Ultimately, we expect we will see community spread in this country. It’s not so much a question of if this will happen anymore, but rather more a question of when this will happen, and how many people in this country will have severe illness.”