Sanders explains where the $ will come from

[+and-then]

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/

I'm impressed that he was willing to give even this much info on his nutty plans to give everyone, everything without destroying the economy and the country.  It amazes me that we have a significant number of Americans who are so delusional and or ignorant that they actually believe a government can do all these things as if by magic.  The Left has set themselves up to literally be hoist on their own petard.  It's going to be a REALLY stinky petard as well  

This tottering old fool is even making excuses for Cuba's government while ignoring the 70K dead Cubans Castro crushed under his boot while "making everyone equal".  I really hope that Sanders is their nominee.  We need as stark a choice as is possible this time around.  If this guy or anyone like him ever got the Oval office, wealth would fled this country so rapidly you'd hear a great sucking sound of a vacuum as it went overseas.  

So... anyone here who'd like to explain why you'd vote for him?  Also, could you explain how his plan works when the wealthy will just run for cover?

[acidhead]

It's the Rich!!

"They owe SOCIETY!!"

 

[+and-then]

7 minutes ago, acidhead said:

It's the Rich!!

"They owe SOCIETY!!"

 

Yeah, sorry SOBs   I'm not surprised by the attitude that the Left encourages as much as I'm stunned that such a large group cannot grasp the basic math and the fact that it just won't work.  They seem to be regressing to childlike thinking.  

[Golden Duck]

1 hour ago, and then said:

https://berniesanders.com/issues/how-does-bernie-pay-his-major-plans/

I'm impressed that he was willing to give even this much info on his nutty plans to give everyone, everything without destroying the economy and the country.  It amazes me that we have a significant number of Americans who are so delusional and or ignorant that they actually believe a government can do all these things as if by magic.  The Left has set themselves up to literally be hoist on their own petard.  It's going to be a REALLY stinky petard as well  

This tottering old fool is even making excuses for Cuba's government while ignoring the 70K dead Cubans Castro crushed under his boot while "making everyone equal".  I really hope that Sanders is their nominee.  We need as stark a choice as is possible this time around.  If this guy or anyone like him ever got the Oval office, wealth would fled this country so rapidly you'd hear a great sucking sound of a vacuum as it went overseas.  

So... anyone here who'd like to explain why you'd vote for him?  Also, could you explain how his plan works when the wealthy will just run for cover?

There's an idea that the USA could reduce government debt, in time, by reducing spending by just five percent.

You wouldn't even have to cut military spending by 10 per cent to fund Sanders' spending.  No new taxes.

You'd still be out spending 600 per cent of what China does. 

[Wickian]

3 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

There's an idea that the USA could reduce government debt, in time, by reducing spending by just five percent.

You wouldn't even have to cut military spending by 10 per cent to fund Sanders' spending.  No new taxes.

You'd still be out spending 600 per cent of what China does. 

Whenever the government claims to have "reduced spending" during any given year what they are really saying is they have cut back on the projected spending increase of that year.  Spending still increased, just less than that had wanted.

[Crikey]

If Sanders is the best the Dems have got, Don is already home free for another 4 years..

 

WIKI, SANDERS-

On foreign policy, he broadly supports reducing military spending,

In July 2016, he formally endorsed Clinton in her general election bid.

He advocated for LGBT rights.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Bernie_Sanders

Edited February 25, 2020 by Crikey

[Setton]

6 hours ago, and then said:

Yeah, sorry SOBs   I'm not surprised by the attitude that the Left encourages as much as I'm stunned that such a large group cannot grasp the basic math and the fact that it just won't work.  They seem to be regressing to childlike thinking.  

Meanwhile, the civilised world has already achieved most of his goals. And the wealthy still live here. 

[Buzz_Light_Year]

[Robotic Jew]

7 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

There's an idea that the USA could reduce government debt, in time, by reducing spending by just five percent.

You wouldn't even have to cut military spending by 10 per cent to fund Sanders' spending.  No new taxes.

You'd still be out spending 600 per cent of what China does. 

Military spending should be cut in half....as a start.

[aztek]

~700m died worldwide as a result of building socialism,  russia and china killed about 70-80m each

[toast]

8 hours ago, and then said:

I'm impressed that he was willing to give even this much info on his nutty plans to give everyone, everything without destroying the economy and the country.

I looked through Bernie`s plan and saw that he wants to establish social standards in the US, which are social standards in a lot of other western countries already, including my home country. Interesting to read that a number of hill people here fear such a development and fear the economy and the country itself to get "destroyed" by such a development. Also interesting to read that these very people feel forced to protect the super rich from higher tax burden. Maybe all these people (here) have an income >30M USD/year, who knows. Interesting as well, the mantra-words "we", "our nation" etc are used in a inflationary fashion by these people, as a try to describe a kind of unity and solidarity, which does not exist over there, but in their fantasy only. Summarized, the US is a developing country related to social issues and a lot of people feel ok with it, to keep the standards low because of "the economyblahblahblah" and "the leftblahblahblah". Beginners.

[toast]

33 minutes ago, aztek said:

~700m died worldwide as a result of building socialism,  russia and china killed about 70-80m each

Thats a strong argument for, e.g., housing for all is evil on principle. Not.

[Doug1029]

3 hours ago, Setton said:

Meanwhile, the civilised world has already achieved most of his goals. And the wealthy still live here. 

Is that to say we're uncivilized?

Doug

[Doug1029]

The right may get it's dream:  Bernie Sanders as the Democratic nominee.  But be careful what you wish for.  If we go into the convention with Bernie holding more than half the delegates, then the only question to be answered in the general election is whether Bernie's base is bigger than Trump's (and located in the right places).  The one with the largest base and turnout on election day will be the new President.  Doesn't matter how good you do or don't think they are.

Doug

[Doug1029]

1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

As a forester and silviculturist, I can tell you that money DOES grow on trees.

Doug

[WanderingFool0]

I don't think Sanders necessarily has the answers, but I do see a huge looming problem, that is going to disrupt the entire way the United States and the world does things and that, is the ever increasing level of technology. The current and constant development, of automated systems, robots, artificial intelligence software and 3D printing are changing and will continue to change the way things are manufactured and produced. Over the coming years and decades, more and more workers of all levels of skill will be replaced by machines and the available job market will continue to be further compressed. Human beings whether we like it or not are becoming as obsolete as horses became with the invention and proliferation of the automobile. Who has the answers to those problems, I don't know, but I do know the genie is not going back into the bottle and business isn't going to stifle the technology to save the workers.

I also find it completely asinine when Government officials and others bandy about the phrase, "Where will the money come from?"

We live in such an upside down and corrupt world where the government has no problem printing money out of thin air to bail out the corporations, the banks and the economy, but when an add hoc team of engineers put together a survey of all of the aging and crumbling infrastructure of the United States and testified in front of a special panel of the senate about the dire state of the infrastructure, one of the members of that panel replied, "That is all well and good, but where will the money come from?" When I saw that report and the clip of that hearing on 60 minutes, I felt like my head might explode. I even yelled at the tv. "You can get the money from the same place you got it for the corporations and banks!"

I always find it tragically amusing, when congress always finds the money for those they truly represent; ie the corporations and the banks, but when it comes to stuff that is actually for the people, suddenly money is an issue.

I would add that both parties are equally corrupt and guilty and neither have  really been about representing the tax payers for a long time. The majority of representation goes to the banks and corporations which through tax loopholes and other schemes always weasel out of paying their full and fair share of taxes, just compare the taxes they pay what ever they are against their profit margins.

All I can say in the end, is that watching all the corrupt politicians is like living in the justice league's bizzaro world. That is just my view and opinion on the state of the union

Edited February 25, 2020 by WanderingFool0
correction

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Doug1029 said:

Is that to say we're uncivilized?

Doug

What else do you call a country that let's it's citizens die so it can spend $600+ billion on ways to kill people?

That can't afford to educate its children but can afford to let them be murdered at school? 

That can't afford to not kill the planet but can afford to subsidise those who are helping to kill it? 

[Doug1029]

8 minutes ago, Setton said:

What else do you call a country that let's it's citizens die so it can spend $600+ billion on ways to kill people?

That can't afford to educate its children but can afford to let them be murdered at school? 

That can't afford to not kill the planet but can afford to subsidise those who are helping to kill it? 

You have made my point.  Thanks.

Doug

[+OverSword]

1 hour ago, Doug1029 said:

As a forester and silviculturist, I can tell you that money DOES grow on trees.

Doug

But it takes a century 

[+OverSword]

20 minutes ago, Setton said:

What else do you call a country that let's it's citizens die so it can spend $600+ billion on ways to kill people?

That can't afford to educate its children but can afford to let them be murdered at school? 

That can't afford to not kill the planet but can afford to subsidise those who are helping to kill it? 

England, right?  How far back are we going? 

Edited February 25, 2020 by OverSword

[aztek]

aside from trump, i can't think of any president, in my lifetime that did what they promised to do while campaigning 

[Setton]

Just now, OverSword said:

England, right?  How far back are we going?

Go as far back as you like. I'll happily admit that, before the 20th century, my country was not civilised by modern standards. That's why we call them 'modern standards'. 

The difference is that yours is still uncivilised. 

[+OverSword]

All I can say is that if Sanders is elected I will expect the Republican majority housed and senate to assist him to achieve anything reasonable he proposes.  

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Setton said:

Go as far back as you like. I'll happily admit that, before the 20th century, my country was not civilised by modern standards. That's why we call them 'modern standards'. 

The difference is that yours is still uncivilised. 

I wonder why our barbaric culture is so popular globally?

[Doug1029]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

But it takes a century 

It's variable.  From planting to steady-state can take 150 years for ponderosa pines, or as little as 40 years for Douglas-fir.  Usually we start with a stand that is already established, red oak, for example.  We do an intermediate cut which usually produces some income, then wait eight to ten years for a second intermediate cut.  After three or four intermediate cuts, we let the stand mature.  Those intermediate cuts produced some lumber which is then sequestered in buildings.  Also, some income for the landowner.

Doug