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Did NASA really film a UFO outside the ISS ?

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mdbuilder

They can focus on a license plate from space but can't zoom in on something close enough to spit on? I don't buy it.

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jethrofloyd

My first tought was...... it's the infamous Black Knight satellite. :no:

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MissJatti

It could be a satellite, a rocket, space shuttle to name a few  

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moonman
Posted (edited)

There's already a thread opened for this over a week ago.

 

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Calibeliever
5 hours ago, mdbuilder said:

They can focus on a license plate from space but can't zoom in on something close enough to spit on? I don't buy it.

They can, but it requires an optics setup the size of a small bus. Probably not standard equipment on the ISS.

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Calibeliever
3 hours ago, MissJatti said:

It could be a satellite, a rocket, space shuttle to name a few  

It's not atypical for an extra-orbital launch vehicle to achieve orbit before firing another stage and launching itself out of orbit like that, but that's the weirdest looking rocket I've ever seen. 

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DieChecker

The article says it was a known component that was being dropped to burn up. 

The only speculation is if they're lying or not. I vote not.

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Kleng
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People are quick to forget that the term "UFO" has become synonymous with "extra terrastrial". When in reality "UFO" literally means "Unidentified Flying Object". We don't know what it is, and it could have nothing to do with intelligent life beyond our own. 

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Dejarma
34 minutes ago, Kleng said:

When in reality "UFO" literally means "Unidentified Flying Object

the 'F' in ufo will probably turn out to be Floating not Flying in most cases IMO;)

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Seti42

In this instance (like most, really) I believe NASA.

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Calibeliever
2 hours ago, DieChecker said:

The article says it was a known component that was being dropped to burn up. 

The only speculation is if they're lying or not. I vote not.

So it is it just an illusion that it "appears" to go up at the end of the video? That was my original suspicion, but I watched it several times and had trouble with the perspective.  It definitely seems to be moving away from the earth rather than falling toward it, but there may be something that accounts for that....?

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DieChecker
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10 hours ago, Dejarma said:

the 'F' in ufo will probably turn out to be Floating not Flying in most cases IMO;)

In this case I think the F is for Falling, since it is intended to fall back to Earth. :alien:

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DieChecker
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9 hours ago, Calibeliever said:

So it is it just an illusion that it "appears" to go up at the end of the video? That was my original suspicion, but I watched it several times and had trouble with the perspective.  It definitely seems to be moving away from the earth rather than falling toward it, but there may be something that accounts for that....?

It does appear that way. Are we sure this video isnt being run backward? Such that the debris is tossed out high and then falls lower?

I'll go check if the video has time stamps on it.

EDIT: I dont see any timestamps on it. Maybe the troll who put out these videos purposefully made sure that no timestamps was in the picture when he recorded it backward?

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ChrLzs

I'm sorry, but why is this up for debate after links to the other thread were given, the actual article itself says:

"Far from being an alien craft, the object is actually a retired communications component that had been jettisoned from the station as part of a controlled effort to minimize the build-up of space debris."

And on the other thread, these links were supplied by Skullduggery:

It is Identified.... JEM ICS-EF module

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Golden Duck
11 hours ago, Kleng said:

... the term "UFO" has become synonymous with "extra terrastrial" ...

Only to those people that use "literally" and "figuratively" interchangeably.

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DieChecker
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1 hour ago, ChrLzs said:

I'm sorry, but why is this up for debate after links to the other thread were given, the actual article itself says:

"Far from being an alien craft, the object is actually a retired communications component that had been jettisoned from the station as part of a controlled effort to minimize the build-up of space debris."

And on the other thread, these links were supplied by Skullduggery:

It is Identified.... JEM ICS-EF module

But, both of those videos suggest it is a satelite, not a piece off the ISS. A satellite would explain why it appears to go up, but it being a ISS piece would not.

Which is it?

I'm going to go read the other thread. :tu:

EDIT: posted same question there.

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toast
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I think its time for some clarification about the ISS debris issue because some people think the ISS`s waste get disposed by kicking it out trough a gate, which is nonsense.

Material released from the ISS would not "fall down" to Earth (immediately) as the material itself will keep the same speed as the station and would stay near the station which would pose a risk to its body and other orbiting objects as well. To leave orbit (downstairs, directed to Earth) the object/s must reduce their orbital speed by some hundred miles per hour (AKA de-orbit burn) for the reason to get catched by the Earth`s gravity. Such action require a drive, which debris dont have.

There are 2 options only for waste disposal from the ISS: 1.) return to Earth in landing vehicles and 2.) to be send into the atmosphere with vehicles like the Progress units to get burned up while re-entry. .

As for the video, I havent found it on a reputable source yet and the author`s channel is full of woo-woo stuff so I´m not sure yet how to evaluate.

 

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Peter B
13 hours ago, Calibeliever said:

So it is it just an illusion that it "appears" to go up at the end of the video? That was my original suspicion, but I watched it several times and had trouble with the perspective.  It definitely seems to be moving away from the earth rather than falling toward it, but there may be something that accounts for that....?

I'm pretty sure it's an optical illusion caused by the object's motion away from the ISS but at only a slightly lower altitude.

I think the best way to consider the problem is with a picture: draw three concentric circles, with the middle and outer circles close to each other. The inner circle represents the Earth, the middle circle represents the orbit of the mysterious object and the outer circle represents the orbit of the ISS. When the object is directly beneath the ISS a line drawn from the ISS through the object will hit the Earth (from the ISS you're looking straight down at the Earth). But as the object moves laterally away from the ISS, a line drawn from the ISS through the object will eventually miss the Earth (from the ISS you're looking above the horizon to see the object).

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stereologist

I think the referred to rise is like other motion illusions such as planes flying around the Earth appear to descend to the horizon and planets making loops in the sky when they move in a retrograde direction.

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DieChecker
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19 hours ago, Peter B said:

I'm pretty sure it's an optical illusion caused by the object's motion away from the ISS but at only a slightly lower altitude.

I think the best way to consider the problem is with a picture: draw three concentric circles, with the middle and outer circles close to each other. The inner circle represents the Earth, the middle circle represents the orbit of the mysterious object and the outer circle represents the orbit of the ISS. When the object is directly beneath the ISS a line drawn from the ISS through the object will hit the Earth (from the ISS you're looking straight down at the Earth). But as the object moves laterally away from the ISS, a line drawn from the ISS through the object will eventually miss the Earth (from the ISS you're looking above the horizon to see the object).

So it's simply an optical illusion based on the debris moving a touch slower then the ISS...

I can see how that is probably true. Something moving toward the horizon, as it moves away would appear to be angling up. Though actually it is still at the same height.

Question answered.

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ChrLzs
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On 3/6/2020 at 5:40 PM, DieChecker said:

But, both of those videos suggest it is a satelite, not a piece off the ISS. A satellite would explain why it appears to go up, but it being a ISS piece would not.

Depends entirely on the direction and speed at which it was ejected.  It could go faster (if ejected forwards from the ISS), or slower (if ejected rearward), *and* it could be pushed out at a slight downward or upward angle.  Note that this would have been done with enormous care, and under the control and direction of orbital mechanics specialists.  Because, if they didn't get it right, they may in fact place the object in an orbit that might later become a collision hazard.  Orbital mechanics is a complex and non-intuitive science that I don't pretend to understand, but the NASA folks do.

 

Anyways I watched that video pretty carefully, and I'm blowed if I can see the bit where it is going 'up' - can anyone give me a proper time reference and also an explanation of *how* they got that impression?  And also, given what I said above, why that would be a problem?

{copy also posted on other thread..} 

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DieChecker
12 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

Depends entirely on the direction and speed at which it was ejected.  It could go faster (if ejected forwards from the ISS), or slower (if ejected rearward), *and* it could be pushed out at a slight downward or upward angle.  Note that this would have been done with enormous care, and under the control and direction of orbital mechanics specialists.  Because, if they didn't get it right, they may in fact place the object in an orbit that might later become a collision hazard.  Orbital mechanics is a complex and non-intuitive science that I don't pretend to understand, but the NASA folks do.

 

Anyways I watched that video pretty carefully, and I'm blowed if I can see the bit where it is going 'up' - can anyone give me a proper time reference and also an explanation of *how* they got that impression?  And also, given what I said above, why that would be a problem?

{copy also posted on other thread..} 

Read my post above yours. It probably was just the object moving away behind, and thus appearing to go above the horizon and "up", though actually it is near the same height as when it was under the ISS.

I didnt realize it was just the illusion of going up.

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