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The Breatharian Path, The Science, My Journey

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Rolci

Moderator note: Disclaimer - breatharianism (a practice that involves not eating anything at all) is dangerous and several people have died from starvation and/or dehydration attempting it. DO NOT TRY THIS AT HOME - humans need food and water to survive.

In response to demand and cuntinuous prompts from my fellow UM-members, I would like to share my view on a global phenomenon and then share my own experiences. The topic is breatharianism, apparently the next step in mankind's evolution. (Which for years I had been expecting to be telepathic communication, which does not seem to be happening.) For those new to this, breatharianism is loosely the permanent abstinence from consuming food, rarely also liquids. Today an estimated 50.000 breatharians follow this "diet" worldwide. I would like to share all the studies with all the evidence that we have so far supporting the possibility of the existence of this lifestyle, incorporated into the story of my learning about this lifestyle, trying it, and my experiences. 

For those that do not have the attention span of an adult, a quick summary of the mechanism: Prana, an all-permeating energy field, can be accessed by consciousness (and by that alone) and converted into particles, which will then form what the body needs. How? One way to visualise it is by learning about virtual particles. Virtual particles are science fact, they are everywhere. As an example, how does one magnet that there's another one nearby it's supposed to pull or repel? The answer from Wiki: "The magnetic field between magnetic dipoles. It is caused by the exchange of virtual photons." Hawking used these in creating his theory which later became known famous as Hawking radiation, which you can read about on wikipedia as well, I will just quote one sentence from the article: 

"This radiation does not come directly from the black hole itself, but rather is a result of virtual particles being "boosted" by the black hole's gravitation into becoming real particles." 

Keep in mind though that while HR is a THEORY virtual particles are not. Well, ultimately everything is, Leonard Susskind maintains the world is a hologram. 

How exactly the energy absorption and conversion happens is explained by quantum biology, which I have no way of describing here, I hadn't even heard of all that before I started my research into breatharianism. 

I only outlined the above to point out that, contrary to popular belief, breatharians, aka pranarians, DO use sustenance. It is simply a matter of the source being different. And the digestive system is simply vestigial organs, the remnants from our previous evolutionary stages that we no longer need, like body hair, the appendix, male nipples, wisdom teeth, tail bones, or the wings of flightless birds. 

Without further ado I shall now proceed with my story.

 

I used to be a hardcore sceptic of breatharianism. I used to use all the arguments you can think of, including the need for energy, minerals, nutrients, the existence of the digestive system all the way up to your teeth, etc. However rather than being an armchair sceptic like most people sadly are I took the claims of those some 50 thousand people seriously enough to do some actual research, keeping always to facts and what science says, with initially surprising results, and ultimately life-changing consequences that are so far-reaching that it is a challenge just to put them into words, but it has gone so far that I have come to feel that it is my moral responsibility to try and articulate my story for the edification of my fellow-humans, based solely on the earth-and-sky-shattering implications of what this all is. So here is my attempts at sharing. While I could sum it all up in a long sentence there would be so much lost that there would be almost no point. In fact you would simply read it and put it down to trolling so it would be counter-productive to be brief for sake of reaching the majority with their short attention span. If you are seeking genuine understanding you will keep reading with an open mind.

Let's keep it brief. So I used to be a sceptic, however I decided that I will look into this with an open mind, but always keeping the scientific attitude. First I examined what the lifestyle of these so-called breatharians includes so I know what I should investigate exactly. When I had that all pinned down I was ready to understand the underlying mechanism. The first thing I discovered that one of the main "argument" against breatharians was fundamentally wrong. I am talking about the postulate that breatharians live without sustenance. Utterly wrong. You need to bear with me here. I quickly learned about the all-permeating energy they call Chi and Prana in the east that I used to consider a myth together with the so-called energy centres (or chakras) these energies are associated with in eastern philosophies:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/10794112

The next question was, how does this energy "become" nutrients. The revelations arrived on two fronts. Firstly we don't really need all the "nutrients" we are told we need. Inuit people have been living above the arctic circle on the ice in igloos for thousands of years and they mostly ever ate seal and a little fish. Fish takes a long time to catch and does not give a lot of meat. In any case they never consumed any fruits or vegetables in their entire lives. And they were and are among the healthiest people on the planet. Where did they get all their vitamins from? Live vitamin c? Wikipedia will try and convince you that they get it from the skin of beluga whale and it goes as far as calling it a staple, like every Eskimo family would kill whales all the time and eat it all year round, even though they had no clues about vitamins. Later when vegetarianism started becoming a new thing "scientists" were claiming that it is impossible because you need vitamins like B12 that you can only find in animal meat and therefore anyone that tries to become a vegetarian will inevitably die. Turns out, your own body can produce vitamin B12. So that's the first front. The second was that as I had been aware of one of the implications of E=mc2 being the transmutability of energy into matter and vice versa, I was still questioning myself: how does the body know what to do with the universal energy, Prana? I had to learn about the amazing innate intelligence of the human body. A whole new world opened up before me I had never been aware of, and had it not been for this journey I would still be oblivious of it. I learned a lot about quantum biology. I didn't know that was even a thing. That explained most of the mechanisms. I learned about cellular respiration. I was like WTF? Next I came across something that I had heard of somewhere before but thought was just a bunch of baloney. I am talking about the idea of human emotions affecting the crystal structure of water that it can then retain. The guy making that claim was Dr. Mararu Emoto. I never took any of that seriously until I was lead upon the following research:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/11789582

In this research paper on top of finding out about the reality of water retaining human emotions I had to learn about 2 additional things: firstly, the effects this water can have on living organisms, and secondly, the seemingly impossible (at least to me, at the time) powers of meditation. Jesus Christ, if meditation can do that in ANOTHER organism, no wonder it can have an even stronger effect in one's OWN BODY, which is made of 70% water, and the majority of these breatharians not only practise and talk about meditation as part of a spiritual lifestyle, I have also seen them "bless" the water they drink, which I obviously thought was pure codswallop. Well, that research paper opened my eyes about yet another thing (or should I say yet 3 more things) I did not think possible. So I had to wonder, how many more such things could there be waiting for me (and even humanity) to discover. At this point I tried to find a logical explanation, like they say you create your own reality and I literally think all these seeming miracles into being, or simply that the possibilities in the universe, regardless of what what we currently perceive as "all the laws in nature" allow, are in reality endless and anything is possible. I must admit I did not get far with such deep philosophical mind-games, it does not seem to be my thing. So I moved on in my research, to see what else I can find that relates to and possibly explains how a breatharian lifestyle is possible.

After I had blown my own mind with all this information about Chi, and meditation, and these influencing the germination of seeds and the growth of plants, and the magic of normal water, and quantum biology, I got interested in what else meditation can do, because this whole area was something I did not know anything about and I was wondering what I had been missing out on. Initially I found some interesting info about how it can lower blood pressure, and reduce pain, and such basic but still interesting things. But then things got wild and crazy. Again. First I read about how you can "body build" by replacing workout with "thinking about working out". While this was not meditation strictly speaking, it employed visualisation and mental concentration, techniques used by transcendental meditators. So that was pretty wild stuff. Here's the link for anyone interested:

https://www.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov/pubmed/14998709 https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=1pyo2OAKW4Y

And then came the turning point. I learned about Wim Hof, and how science found evidence for the first time that a human being can 1. control his own immune system, 2. control his own autonomic nervous system (body temperature, heart rate, etc.), his endocrine system, and then they went on about the limbic system and others I was not even sure what they were. And guess what methods he used to achieve all that. That's right, meditation, with a combination of yoga and cold showers and the right mindset. This was all back in 2011:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2011/04/110422090203.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=mxCGDFlH1_k

Then 3 years later they proved that this can be done by literally ANYONE. Now that was ****ed up. There is no way out of this, no explaining away:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2014/05/140505155210.htm

Without going into too much detail I just found out recently that they are now looking at how the human brain can do all that. Fascinating stuff to say the least, but this is all science now. You can research all this yourselves if you're interested:

https://www.sciencedaily.com/releases/2018/02/180228164934.htm https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=YficBlvPwWQ

At this point I felt I had to put a stop to my research into the possible powers of the mind and meditation, I just felt overwhelmed and considered it a real possibility that I will end up in mental hospital or something as I felt the paradigm system I had lived in for a lifetime crumbling around me, or to be more precise, inside my head. I recall having that feeling that those lines I had heard in the matrix were actual reality in my life: where Morpheus tells Neo how he sees that he feels like Alice in Wonderland, tumbling down the rabbit hole. Except this wasn't a ****ing movie. Yet I was determined to further investigate breatharianism itself as it was the original line of enquiry I had started out upon, so I simply abandoned this detour into meditation and returned to my research into breatharianism.

Right. So far I had learned how breatharians use chi, meditation, and charged water, and how these techniques can do their miracle which ultimately falls into the realm of quantum biology, which you must study to have some rudimentary understanding of the processes involved here. Okay, I had done all that. At that point I realised that as long as I keep looking I will just keep finding, which is fine up to a point, but ultimately the test of the pudding is in the eating. And although the Wim Hof method seemed like a more appealing "choice" for a new lifestyle if I were to adapt one, with all the scientific research behind it, I chose to remain faithful to my original choice. I had already become aware of Jasmuheen's so-called 21-day process. But I wanted to "know all there is to know" before I were to delve deep into an actual experiment. So I watched all the documentaries I could find:

No Way to Heaven (2008, Switzerland)
In the Beginning There Was Light (2010, Austria)
Living Off Energy We Are Energy (2015, Czech Republic)
The Light Generation (2018)

These are all available on the internet to watch for free.

I learned, among a lot of other interesting things, of the 8-day method, the 10-day method, basically I realised that whatever works for you. Anyway, I chose the 21-day method because its high reported success rate (I watched dozens of hour-long interviews with breatharians, I will not list them all here) and its more graduality.

Long story short, it did not work the first time (or at least it did not work for me, maybe wrong mindset, haven't figured it out) but second time I did a more stretched-out approach in phases of different diets, that I would approximate as vegetarian - vegan - raw vegan - fruitarian - juicing - waterian - solarian - pranarian - breatharian. Now that did the trick. It was a long process, and I had my doubts in spite of all my previous research, but I think it was ultimately this gradual approach that enabled my mind to let my body transition progressively.

While technically this marks the end of my breatharian story and it would seem that it should suffice to end the story here I must emphasise that drawing the line here would be equal to a lie, in that it would hide the truth. Everything I have written up to this point is the TECHNICAL side. It's like, follow this and this step and you get here and here. But the bigger question is this: WHERE IS HERE? That, my friends, is in itself FAR more amazing than a journey towards and including a transition to breatharianism. Again, I will be brief, so bear with me for a while longer, you'll see it's not only worth it, it's the whole point of, well, not only of this whole text, but the whole experience.

What I am talking about is the ramifications of a breatharian lifestyle, everything that is a result, either directly or indirectly of this lifestyle. I am trying to think of a format that would carry the immensity of the unfolding that follows the transition but I am left with no ideas. I will try some kind of logical sequence here I guess.

Okay. Got it. When you become breatharian there are 3 waves of ramifications.

The first: The obvious direct consequences: No more spending money on food. No more travelling to the shops. No more shopping lists, no more brainstorming of what to eat and where. No more cooking. No more washing dishes. No more need to store food, no more need to store bowls and dishes, plates and cutlery, or for that matter a dining table let alone a dining room. You have more money. You have more time. You have more space. You have more freedom. These are the obvious and immediate direct consequences. 

The second: The slightly-less-obvious and slightly-less-direct consequences. No more hunger. No more upset stomach. No more indigestion. No more food-related diseases from pesticide, chemicals, GMO, E numbers, artificial additives, and so on. Basically better health. Which is further increased by consuming the afore-mentioned "blessed" water, meditation, chakra-cleansing, if you develop interest in all these and learn and practise, starting with my favourite, the Wim Hof method.

The third: All the indirect consequences. This is the biggest one, and NOTHING can prepare you for this, save reading it right here and right now. You don't find this in documentaries and you can't "work this out" in your mind in advance. And it beats everything in the previous two categories, simply because it is an endless unfolding of a NEW LIFE STORY. Let's stop for a second and sum up the previous steps.

Research. Find information. Gain knowledge. Horizons expanded. Mind blown. Personal experiment. Failure. Try again. Success. More money, time, space. Better health. Now let's see what can possibly beat all this.

Now that you have all this behind you, you are face-to-face with a new life. You can't deny it no more, you have put behind yourself an aspect of your previous life that could best be described as a limitation, or to quote The Matrix again, a prison for your mind. Something you have been depending upon, but have now gained freedom of. As an unavoidable side-effect of that will be a mind that has become free and opened up TO AN EXTENT and this mind will now look AND FIND ways of pushing this freedom beyond all limits. No, I'm not talking about, if I can live without food, can I live without drink (apparently we can) or breathing (let's not get into that conversation here). I am talking about deconstructing all the other limitations that living in a society has imposed on your mind. So now you have more money. Money is not part of nature, it is an artificial human construct. Now you have more left. How do you get rid of "the money trap" altogether? I instantly remembered the story of Mark Boyle who made headlines years ago by living without money in the UK. Now there is a new article out about him:

https://www.theguardian.com/environment/2015/sep/15/living-without-money-what-i-learned

Except, for a breatharian, food is not an issue. While you can research ideas on how to save money, I will do a quick step-by-step that I worked out for myself. What to get rid of that costs money for all of us: food (sorted), housing (mortgage/rent), bills (gas, electricity, water, etc.). That idea got me interested in passive house design, living off the grid, minimalism, tiny houses, self sufficiency, all of which is much easier while being a breatharian because of more money you can save, more time, and less space needed in a house. My choice was to save money for a couple years and buy something like this:

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=fVw8RMuzFBc
Check out all the videos on that channel - you'll be amazed!

Stick a few solar panels on the roof. You have mobility. No more mortgage, no more rent. No more bills. (Electric heating, basically you don't need gas.) Most tiny houses collect rain water for drinking and cooking. Obviously at this stage you don't cook, and human beings have been drinking water from rain and streams for thousands of years before taps appeared a few decades / hundred years ago (depending where in the world you live).

What comes next is the biggest turning point yet. And this is where it gets dangerous. Not for your survival any more. For your mind. Didn't I just say this will free your mind? True, but you will have to face the devil before you become absolutely free of it. What do I mean? This is the most subtle point in the ENTIRE experience, one you can't really appreciate by reading about it even here. You have to ACTUALLY BE THERE. But let's try and entertain and savour in our imagination as best we can, futile as it may be. You have no more need for money. You have no more need for a job! You have complete physical freedom. You have your own house that moves, you have no bills, you need no food, you are free of money. You now face the biggest question of your life: What now? Now this question becomes really relevant: What do I want to do with my life? And this is no longer a career question. This is a question about who you truly are. What will you spend the rest of your life with? This is not like winning the lottery and you can just squander it all on women, booze, parties and drugs. You are a spiritually enlightened being. Otherwise you would not have made it this far, I guarantee you. Not because you must be special to make it. The above process transforms you, in the best ways possible. So what do you do? Who are you? What purpose will you choose? What will be worth your time, energy, effort, attention and devotion for the rest of your life? Travel? Maybe. Volunteering? Possibly. Help others? More likely. How? You'll have to figure that out. I am in no position to give you ideas, but you WILL be faced with this and you WILL have to figure this out for yourself, BY YOURSELF, and it WON'T be easy. But once you do, that's the first day of your real life. It's like a rebirth.

And to just finish off my own personal story, here are the latest developments in brief: I found a wonderful breatharian partner. We travelled a lot and saw the world. We met many other breatharians in workshops and we became close friends with some of them. We got really close with another couple and we all settled down together in an off-grid larger house. We do not live in "open" relationships and we don't cheat but we have our "couple" boundaries loosened up and form a small community of 4. We live near others similar to us who live off grid but are not breatharians, but more like minimalists, living simple eco-friendly lives. There is real community. There is security. We are all healthy. We are all free. As for the 4 of us, we need no jobs (but I personally volunteer in the Venus Project and occasionally in some charities, some local and some national.) We have all day every day free to choose what we want to do. We do not own or watch television or any other brainwashing machine that would aim to enslave our minds. We have free open minds, we have a lot of quality sex between us every day (girls are loving, uninhibited lovely humans with open minds and no overlap in their periods), which gets better day by day, in every way (we sometimes experiment and push some remaining boundaries further and further bit by bit), the same as all other areas of our lives, we are all on a constant path of personal development undergirded by positive thinking and the utilisation of the powers of our mind, or more accurately, positive thinking, I would call it. We help each other become better persons.

At this point it is hard to imagine how our lives can become freer and better, but if anything we all have had our own journeys with their differences as their similarities, and we are all aware and open to the infinite possibilities of surprises, having learned the infinite nature of the mysteries of the universe. And although we have no idea where we go from here, we all know deep down that things can only get better, we are untouched by poverty, wars (we live far away from the nearest town in a war-free country), and not only that, we await with excitement to see how all of this can get even better and what our active roles will be in that. Every day feels like the journey has just begun and everything that has happened before just prepared us for today, and every "today" is a fecund gateway to the inconceivable magic of tomorrow.

Edited by Saru
Added disclaimer note
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Not Your Huckleberry

lol

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toast

Breatharianism is real. I have no link yet but there was a scientific study about here in Germany, I think it was in 2019 and I still remember the results: up until 2006, the average body height of thirteen year old children was at 5.54ft. In 2019, it was 8.56ft. The study has proven that the increase in growth was caused by the increase in cars with Xenon headlights between 2006 and 2019.

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Tatetopa

Ok, assuming this is true,  what leads you to believe that this is the next stage of human evolution?  

I suppose I would be happier to believe the next stage of human evolution would be to stop being jerks.

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Saru

I'm a bit apprehensive about this thread as breatharianism can be very dangerous - I'm leaving it open for now to see if we can get a decent discussion going but have added a prominent disclaimer notice at the top of the opening post.

Suffice to say nobody should actually be trying this - humans cannot live without food or water.

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Piney

 

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Breatharianism

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As YouTube vlogger Thunderf00t explains in one of his videos,[8] people lose weight simply by breathing out carbon dioxide, some 30 grams per hour on average. The carbon in this carbon dioxide originates either from digesting food, or (in the case of starvation) breaking down bodily tissues, in order to keep the brain supplied with glucose. So one only needs to check a breatharian's breath for carbon dioxide to prove them wrong.

 

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Piney
8 hours ago, Rolci said:

breatharianism, apparently the next step in mankind's evolution. (Which for years I had been expecting to be telepathic communication,

This is not how evolution works.

Evolution is the process of mutations created by environmental stresses to aid in survival. It always takes the path of least resistance and is sometimes only partly beneficial.

Mutations involved in this process would take a million years if it didn't break all the rules of biology. Which it does. 

 

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Rlyeh
8 hours ago, Rolci said:

For those that do not have the attention span of an adult, a quick summary of the mechanism: Prana, an all-permeating energy field, can be accessed by consciousness (and by that alone) and converted into particles, which will then form what the body needs.

Can you show us even one study which demonstrates virtual particles are enough to sustain biological processes?

 

8 hours ago, Rolci said:

How exactly the energy absorption and conversion happens is explained by quantum biology, which I have no way of describing here, I hadn't even heard of all that before I started my research into breatharianism. 

No it doesn't.  Quantum biology is the study of the quantum nature of biological processes which convert chemicals into energy.

You have no way to describe it because it isn't possible.

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Sir Wearer of Hats

Righto Rolci, livestream your life for a week. No breaks, no “mysteriously out of shot for 10 minutes while the sound of cornflakes being eaten are heard”. Even show us your trips to the bog, not all of us are squeemish Americans who don’t like to think about toilets. 
 

you’d have 100% verifiable proof that Breatharianism works.

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XenoFish

I support breathing, we all need to breath. And eat, drink and some bodily functions.

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Rolci

(Proof for all doubters can be found further below.)

That is a lot of criticism on something that has been going on all over the world for decades just in the modern times and that has 50,000 practitioners. The roots of the practice are ancient of course, there is nothing new about breatharianism, the same as meditation and yoga have been aroud for thousands of years. But we have known this as well from the numerous documentaires that have been made on the subject. I find it curious how even supposedly knowledgable UM members are skeptical about something this widespread. But then, didn't these same people use to say vegetarianism was not possible and was fake because we all need protein and only meat contains protein? Once that debate got settled we heard all the same arguments about veganism, did we not? Yet lo and behold. vegetarians and vegans alike are alive and well.

In response to Piney's comment: that argument was debunked a long time ago, not sure why it is even brought up here. Anyone with a basic understanding of physics can see that that argument holds no ground whatsoever. As explained above, breatharians gain sustenance in energy form. Energy has mass as expressed in the famous Einstein-formula E=mc2. This is why breatharians will show weight gain while meditating on a scale (as demonstrated at the 2018 Pranic World Festival). But you don't need breatharians for this, many people report weight gain on a simple 3-day dry fast and especially longer (say, 30-day) water fasts. You don't need breatharians to prove that. But regardless of all that, starting from Santorio Sanctorius (who invented the “static weighing chair,” a device that allowed him to weigh himself before and after meals, sleep, toilet breaks, even sex) up to recent times countless studies have been done into researching this and they uniformly found that there is always much less weight loss (sometimes even weight gain, causing overall fluctuations in the measurements) in humans between meals than should occur due to normal metabolism, the energy needed to break down food, heat production, perspiration, etc., especially in studies measuring weight loss during exercise. But of course, no one talks about all that, because no one has done their research.


And that brings us to a salient point, which addresses both Piney's "argument" and the unnecessity of Sir Wearer of Hats' request for a livestream (which has been done in countless forms already, one more such would make no difference). I have given this a great deal of thought and there is a way all of the above questions, and more, can be resolved in a safe way beyond any doubt. The reason I say this is because this has been verified by a number of members of the local (initially skeptical) community here where we live. Anyone can obtain proof that breatharianism is very much possible and real by following these simple steps:

In an attempt to devise a method of a breatharian transitioning process that is less "forced" than anything I have ever known (to add to an already-existing plethora of methods) I have come up with a way that is gentle, gradual and has no danger when followed properly. I think this is very important. It provides proof to anyone WELL within safe parameters even if you are very far from transitioning and you never go anywhere near that point. (Since, as you know, if you have done any research at all, many non-breatharians do regular 9-13-day dry fasts.)

The safe method I devised esentially starts with a regular 36-hour dry fast (from last meal of day, say 8pm, through all day next day, till next morning, say 8am), which is very easy to do for anyone, but it's like a mini-challenge to give encouragement and a little push to those that feel the call but maybe have not enough faith or don't know how to start. During your first fast you are encouraged to develop a closer relationship with your body by being "present with it" and also to see how well you do with a fast, what your weaknesses are, maybe you will find a mental compulsion to consume, as in an ordinary addiction.

If you decide, you can have another dry fast when you feel the time is right for you, this time adding an extra day, bringing it up to 2.5 days. By now you can have a little taster of what life without food might be like. If you still feel okay and feel that you are mentally ready, you can try a 3.5-day dry fast next time, and so on. There are dozens and dozens of 7-day and 9-day dry fast testimonials on youtube (what is it with odd numbers?), simply type in 7 day dry fast and you won't believe how widespread the practice is among all kinds of people, body builders, athletes, and people already on special diets. Yes, we are talking about DRY fasts, meaning not food OR drink.

You can keep increasing the number of days and keep a close feel of your physical and mental health, you mood, etc. and it is very important that when you feel that it is a bit too challenging, stop the increase for a while and do a few dry fasts for the same length to boost your resistance or whatever it is you need and also to build your faith. You will know when you're ready to go up a notch. A tip, you may want to chew a gum to keep your jaw muscles in shape, otherwise they will feel sore after the fast. If you find you struggle but want to keep trying you may want to keep it "wet" a little by either taking extended baths (maybe with Epsom salt) or, if that's still not much help, drinking distilled water. The key here is graduality and most importantly feeling good about your fast.

If you ever reach the point where you 1. notice your weight loss turns around and start gaining until you settle at a certain weight and 2. you will notice your energy levels skyrocketing for apparently no reason you know that's when your prana "kicks in", you will feel it. If you ever notice these you might want to extend your fast, but I would strongly advise doing so with a "clear giver" present, another breatharian or someone close AND SUPPORTIVE. Finally, these dry fasts are best done when you have a few days of peace, like a weekend, timing and finding the right place can make a lot of difference. Last word of advice, if you EVER get trouble with breathing, break the fast immediately, sip a little water slowly and have a few bites. More advice to the few that are still reading and are really ready to take this seriously: https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=vREtS4U2IGc (you will need to skip the boring parts and listen carefully to everything he has to say).

Once you are happy with your personal maximum length of dry fast that you can safely and relatively conveniently maintain and beyond which you would not go, stop there. You are ready to obtain your proof.

WARNING! Before you read on, you MUST consider this: obtaining undeniable objective proof of the validity of the breatharian lifestyle by anyone who is not actually READY on at least SOME level to transition WILL have undesired effects on their person. What is meant by this is that if you become aware that there is a way to obtain proof by anyone, you WILL be tempted to try and see for yourself, in which case you WILL see that breatharianism is not a fairy tale perpetuated by 50,000 cumpulsive liars but a reality obtainable by anyone. This, in turn, will result in an acute awareness of the exact nature of your present lifestyle. What does this mean?

- Every time you eat, you will know that you are damaging your body, making it effectively "age" (read: wear away from toxins) much faster than it should.
- Every time you do your shopping you will be acutely aware that you are essentially just burning money for no real reason.
- Every time you write your shopping list you will be aware that you are preparing for something that is a waste of your time on a LARGE scale - from shopping through cooking to cleaning up.
- You WILL start questioning every other aspect of your life, beginning with everything else you buy, realising they are all stuff you don't need, from "healthcare" products to finally all the gadgets you choose to entertain yourself with on a daily basis.

With that must-have warning out of the way, here is the proof you obviously want to have since you're still reading. It is very simple. 2 easy steps.

Number one: Follow the gradual transition method I described above with the added process of taking a measurement of your weight every 6 hours after using the toilet and with all clothes off to get an accurate net weight. You do not want to leave any doubts. You do this for the gradually increasing fasts as many occasions as you like - say you start with a 12-hour fast, next week you do a 36-hour fast, next week a 60-hour fast and so on, preferably dry fasts as long as you can "comfortably" go, or if you prefer, a normal water (I recommend distilled) fast. Do this for as many weeks as you can/want to/feel necessary, and as long as you do not feel your life is threatened. If you do, break the fast. (Which is where the word "breakfast" comes from by the way.)

Number two: Repeat the first step after a number of weeks of longer and longer fasts, with the 6-hourly weight measurements, however this time you add one final step: meditation/yoga. Normally meditation is meditation, and similarly yoga is yoga, however if you are to obtain your proof you must be careful with what meditation/yoga you do / how you meditate. If you choose yoga the obvious choice is pranayama. However I would advise that meditation still be practised in addition as I cannot confirm yoga alone can do the trick, it is only a hunch I have (as long as it is pranayama), though this remains untested to-date. What we have seen tested and working however, is doing a meditation with the intention of opening up to / receiving prana / inpouring "divine" life energy.

You will notice either one of 3 things: either you will unexplicably gain weight, at least after a few measurements, OR you will not lose any weight as you did in your previous fasts, OR at the very least, your weight loss will be less than in ANY of your previous fasts and the measurements will NOT chart a straight line as before but will be erratic. But most likely you will observe the reported weight gain, even when measured right before meditation and straight after and compared - depending on how long you meditate for and how "successfully", and of course on how accurate your scale is!

This has been tested and demonstrated as providing a net weight gain by another one of our local friends who showed no interest when he learned about our lifestyle, or when the other couples here transitioned. He showed however an eager spirit when I proposed the above test (as it was at that stage). He has not transitioned as of now, and cannot say whether he will or not, however it is thanks to him and his feedback that I could (and indeed had to) give the warning before the proof - he is in a "funny" mental state at the moment due to his experiences with his unexpectedly newly-found personal conviction. We will have to wait and see where he goes from here, which I will follow with great interest and may or may not report here - I hope all will go well for him, we are here to support of course but all must have this fight inside themselves if they hadn't prepared themselves and I see it as having the possibility of going wrong - hence the warning.

With the due warnings I felt it was my duty to report what we found, all the more so since, unlike vegetarianism and veganism, breatharianism is not only not going mainstream, it is not even generally accepted as valid due to a lack of a critical mass - 50,000 "followers" simply does not cut it, it would seem, even with all the documentaries and all the scientific tests that have been carried out (all of which have been generally ignored or even questioned/criticised). Saying that, I have no doubt the critical mass will be achieved, but for some reason much more slowly than other diet-related alternative lifestyles.

Finally a question directly to Saru here: may I ask how many hours, approximately, you have researched the subject, or at least how many documentaries you have actually watched on the subject? Have you properly researched chi / prana? A forum administrator dismissing something that a large number of people live every day (many of whom have WILLINGLY subjected themselves to scientific testing, studies and research and to have experiments conducted on them, with nothing to gain) is, in my opinion, as extraordinary as it is outrageous. It is analogous to saying 50,000 people are all liars. Let me ask you two questions here, I am curious what your honest opinion is on these:

1: If breatharianism were all lies, why would ANY one of them, let alone so many, voluntarily take part in the clinical observations and tests, if they know they will fail and be exposed, effectively ruining their own reputation? Why agree to be tested if failure is 100% guaranteed? It just doesn't make any sense.

2: In the past 40 years we have had 4 deaths due to failed transition attempts. However, there are lots of workshops running worldwide each year, with approx. 50,000 successful transitions reported so far. If you go to any of the workshops you can see how many people attend and you will be connected with people who you will see transition and with whom you can keep in touch to update each other on your further developments. So my question relating to this is: Where are all the tens of thousands of dead people who failed to transition? Surely many spiritualist new-agers will be fanatic enough to go that far. Or alternatively, where are the thousands of failure stories and warning stories of all the participants exposing all these charlatans? Shouldn't forums and youtube comment sections be awash with them, in comments under breatharian videos and further personal experience videos shared by disillusioned participants warning others? All I see is more and more people that have transitioned sharing their stories. I could give you the names of at least 70 that have gone public (and that you can evaluate for yourself) in the past few years alone. These are mostly very humble human beings who live very simple lives. Do you honestly believe that those 400+ people at the Pranic World Festival are preaching lies that they never lived personally, in full knowledge that a forced transition will most likely kill? None of them get paid for any of this, there is nothing to sell, no money to be had. I am most certainly not getting paid for spending my time here sharing my story with the rest of this forum. Neither am I gaining fame and that's the last thing I would want in my presently peaceful life. The only thing to be "gained" here is ridicule. Yet the sharing goes on. Your views on these points please, if you would kindly share.

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Timothy

@Rolci:

1. Because they’re delusional and actually believe they are successfully practicing the debunked sham that this is. 

So, it really makes perfect sense. They believe it so they’re willing to be tested, and fail. 

(Plus every single case I’ve seen, they are either eating or drinking something in small amounts. Or realise they are dying and start eating again. And every single person properly tested exhibits normal biological function.)

2. There are only a handful of dead people because they’re the ones who really completely stopped eating/drinking 100%.
You. Will. Die. They’re the ones unfortunately stupid enough to follow through completely with their delusional beliefs.

All the others are supplementing with smoothies or eating something which gives them enough sustenance, or they realise it’s not possible and stop. 

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There are people who pop up here from time to time who swear they can breathe underwater without providing any proof. 

That’s basically the same level of delusion/stupidity as what you’re claiming. And I really hope you realise that sooner rather than later. 

The criticism is unfortunately well deserved to help avoid susceptible people from being sucked in to this BS. 

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@Rolci

Why would any creature on Earth eat or drink anything if it's possible to just stand around and absorb energy from the environment?

Why do animals and people die by the billions from starvation and dehydration?

Around 9 million people die from hunger related issues every year. Let alone how many countless animals. 

https://www.theworldcounts.com/challenges/people-and-poverty/hunger-and-obesity/how-many-people-die-from-hunger-each-year

Because you can't live without food or water. It's literally impossible. 

Why do you think science has dismissed such claims? There is no evidence whatsoever to show that it is even remotely possible. 

Why didn't all the people in the concentration camps survive with no food or water?

Is it because they didn't follow your "ease your way into it" method? Maybe they didn't believe hard enough in the garbage idea of prana being able to supplant actual sustenance?

I find the entire idea to be absolutely disgusting and immoral.

You should be put in jail for pushing this type of insanity and Saru was completely right to put a disclaimer on the nonsense. 

I don't care if you want to never eat or drink again, but advocating that others should too is utterly reprehensible. 

 

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openozy

Hey Rolci,I need a new flatmate,we can go halves in the food bill :D.

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8 hours ago, Rolci said:

Yet lo and behold. vegetarians and vegans alike are alive and well.

And some of their kids died of malnutrition,great choice.

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Alchopwn
On 3/26/2020 at 4:35 PM, Imaginarynumber1 said:

This is the wooiest woo that ever wooed

It is literally the lethal dose of woo.  The meme that will kill you.

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8 hours ago, Rolci said:

A forum administrator dismissing something that a large number of people live every day (many of whom have WILLINGLY subjected themselves to scientific testing, studies and research and to have experiments conducted on them, with nothing to gain) is, in my opinion, as extraordinary as it is outrageous.

I warned people that it was dangerous and that people have died attempting it - both of these statements are objectively true.

You are telling people that "eating food damages the body" - think about what impact this may have on someone prone to anorexia.

There is nothing outrageous or extraordinary about wanting to protect people reading this thread from hurting themselves.

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1: If breatharianism were all lies, why would ANY one of them, let alone so many, voluntarily take part in the clinical observations and tests, if they know they will fail and be exposed, effectively ruining their own reputation? Why agree to be tested if failure is 100% guaranteed? It just doesn't make any sense.

What clinical observations/tests and who has taken part in them ?

Give me some specific examples of such trials.

8 hours ago, Rolci said:

I could give you the names of at least 70 that have gone public (and that you can evaluate for yourself) in the past few years alone.

I'd like to hear about those who have been scientifically tested over an extended period of time.

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9 hours ago, Rolci said:

This is why breatharians will show weight gain while meditating on a scale (as demonstrated at the 2018 Pranic World Festival).

I noticed they have a big buffet with lots of food. :yes:

https://www.breatharianworld.com/en/photogallery/

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5 minutes ago, Piney said:

This is a outright lie. Monks have starved themselves to death to find enlightenment or practice self mummification but only "street swamis" have ever claimed this nonsense.

Your woocrap came about because of a Western Newage misinterpretation of Prana. 

Except Prana can not be shown, let alone shown to have mass. 

People gain weight while fasting? Show weight gain while meditating?  More lies.  

 

When people fast...they usually drink a lot of water.  Water weighs 8.345  pounds per gallon.   1 liter (L) of water weighs 1 kilogram (kg).

Because the body is reacting to 'starvation mode'  it holds on to fluids...so if you step on the scales...Hey look Mildred!  I haven't eaten in 3 days and I gained 4 pounds!  

Or...you can engage in a lot of physical activity and not eat and or take in much fluid...Hey Mildred!  Look...I haven't eaten anything all day and I lost 6 pounds! 

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8 hours ago, Rolci said:

Anyone with a basic understanding of physics can see that that argument holds no ground whatsoever. As explained above, breatharians gain sustenance in energy form. Energy has mass as expressed in the famous Einstein-formula E=mc2. This is why breatharians will show weight gain while meditating on a scale (as demonstrated at the 2018 Pranic World Festival).

Except that if you were converting energy into mass directly through E=mc^2, to get the equivalent of 1 gram of weight gain you would be talking about absorbing an amount of energy somewhere in the region of that released by the atomic bomb dropped over Hiroshima during World War 2.

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