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7 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Well, that might be acceptable argument among Brexiters, but everyone else will think you can't defend your position so you're derailing your own thread in attempt to escape the consequences of your own doing. 

So let's repeat that, what you attempted to bury under childish insults and smileys. 

You, Brexiters, were attempting to gloat over some imaginary 'EU meltdown' which in reality consists of an Italian populist having a meltdown over the fact that the EU will use relief funds purposely and not hand him over a river of money that could help him buy his lost popularity back.  

You would love to see realistic remarks (that this crisis could indeed end the EU - as it can end the UK for that matter) as death sentence for the EU, while they are said openly, with intention to warn about such dangers, not invite everyone to surrender to them. 

 

When explained such obvious facts you respond with claims that those who can in fact articulate their opinion based on these obvious facts are insane, while you, who insist on your mythical supremacy, seeing only enemies all around you, should be the sane ones. Well, that doesn't work like that among mentally healthy population. 

 

But this thread is not a problem, of course. The problem is that you can't understand that the same detachment from the reality that you display in this thread is what made you fall for the Brexit prank. 

In short, you're screwed, you know it and you're extremely incompetent at hiding it. 

Whatever is going on in your head has no meaning to us.

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20 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

Whatever is going on in your head has no meaning to us.

Certainly. But that, what's going on in objective reality should have all the meaning to you.

You based your Brexit on the very obviously false premise that you're much more competent than anyone else, that there truly is something so exceptional about you that you can go against not just your neighbours, but against the history too, straight back, as far as you wish, and everyone will simply follow. 

No, no one will follow you. They couldn't even if they wanted to, because you can't turn back the ****ing time. It's gone. And you can't control the future, especially not by acting like children with learning disability. 

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6 hours ago, Piney said:

Coming from the country that smoked the data on their economy causing the Euro's value to drop........

P.I.G.S. 'Portugal, Italy, Greece and Spain". Kick em out of the EU and it will do just fine......

Ack! You need to find your feminine side.  It’s there. They are all children of some Mother— black sheeps and belligerents — it’s all part of the script.  

Mon ami, have you ever considered buying a sewing machine? 

 

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2 minutes ago, Festina said:

Mon ami, have you ever considered buying a sewing machine? 

I did leatherwork. :yes:

3 minutes ago, Festina said:

Ack! You need to find your feminine side.  It’s there.

I was taught my "man skills" by a stepmother, crammed between 3 sisters who could beat me up, wearing hand me down titty stretched tees to school......then after my stepfather dies sent to live with a gay uncle............and you want me to find what? :unsure2:

 

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15 minutes ago, Piney said:

I did leatherwork. :yes:

I was taught my "man skills" by a stepmother, crammed between 3 sisters who could beat me up, wearing hand me down titty stretched tees to school......then after my stepfather dies sent to live with a gay uncle............and you want me to find what? :unsure2:

 

 

Misfits souls are just that — Miss-Fits.

Most Teenage girls, like teenage boys are barely human. I think the Catholics were spot on with their convent thingy.  I’d bring this tradition back.  Yes, yes. 

Lessons.  What, you thought this life was gonna be stagnant? 

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Man alive... such animosity in here!

I mean, I remember all the acrimony being there a couple of years back, but it seems to have intensified and then some.

Might be worth remembering that we're ALL wading in the same s**t right now.

As much as I wanted out of the EU, I take no pleasure at all in seeing the problems they - and everyone else - are enduring right now. We're talking about peoples lives and livelihoods here...

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2 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It's their history they're so proud of. 

And that's the exact reason why they're hysterically afraid of the EU - they simply don't comprehend the concept of cooperation. All they know is that someone must be leeching and/or conquering someone else. 

No one here is hysterically afraid of the EU.

We are better than the EU, it is holding us back, and we have decided we wanted our freedom so we can shine on our own two feet. We know it, and you know it (although you cannot admit it to yourself). There is a reason why Britain ruled the world and now America does. Look at how we do things in the Anglo-American sphere then look at how economies are run in that EU socialist block.

As regards your earlier blame everything on Britain post then we dont care about your country. We do not exist to feed you, rescue you, fight your enemies, be your nanny, or wipe to your bottoms. We are also not your punchbag to blame all your woes and problems on. Doing so makes British people lose respect towards you.

Lets face it, since England has been a unified country not one foreign army has successfully invaded our island. We saw off the Spanish Armada, Napoleon, the Kaiser, Hitler, and many others. Our island nation is a natural fortress and therefore we are not afraid of tyrants from the continent. How are you not full of shame about rolling over and selling away your country from fear of a re-run of WW2? Where is your fight, your honour, your pride?

We are not rolling over, we struggled for a long time against politicians that wanted to roll over, but in true British spirit we stuck two fingers up to them and said we are leaving. And so we are!

As a stiff upper lipped Britain it is our duty to fight for a better future, and should we fail we will stand tall with pride on deck as we go down with the ship.

For Britain!

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11 minutes ago, Piney said:

I did leatherwork. :yes:

I was taught my "man skills" by a stepmother, crammed between 3 sisters who could beat me up, wearing hand me down titty stretched tees to school......then after my stepfather dies sent to live with a gay uncle............and you want me to find what? :unsure2:

 

I like that you did leather work — but try a softer medium. 

 

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3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

Shooting the messenger.

Somebody has to do it - put you out of your obvious misery. Only one who is desperately grasping at straws would quote or reference the Express to anchor their argument or point of view. It has no journalistic integrity. On the contrary, its clickbait tabloid headlines sensationalise and distort reality. The epitome of emotive and fake news. Have you no self-respect or sense of self-worth 

3 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

" Round the decay of that colossal wreck" 

Great poem! But the point of your truncated quote seems meaningless, suspended expectantly on some imagined punchline that never materialises.

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2 hours ago, hetrodoxly said:

So why did you bring the past up?

????? 

Just one question for you, are you the crazy one or the confused one in the romantic erotic story?

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11 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Two quite amusing ideas, but I'd say they're not necessary at the moment. Any 'news' about the EU from British sources have little to do with reality. 

In reality, any politician whose platform is 'populist', therefore anti-EU, will, logically, criticize the EU even if there's nothing to criticize.

I see Orban was making noises too, about inadequate EU response to COVID, while it was him who just realized Hungary should do what the rest of the EU is already doing, which is slowing the spread of the infection. 

Italy was hit hard with COVID, the EU will help them, but it doesn't mean the currently losing popularity populists will be financed by the EU as they wish, not considering other members.    

No, the EU is not melting as Brexiters keep praying for. It might break down, certainly, or lose some of the members led by less rational governments, but it will probably get out of this crisis more united, with new, practical knowledge about the importance and ways to coordinate actions of all members.  

GOD SAVE THE  EU  QUEEN!

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Meanwhile...while all the sniveling little Europeein' Cry Babies are having a good Wah..wah..wah...

US numbers are doubling every 4 days...if this keeps up...by the 18th of April we will have 6.2 million cases...and if the 4% death rate is accurate...248,000  dead.  If the 10% is more accurate...620,000 dead.   :hmm:

And Italy is right behind us in numbers....

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The UK doesn't need the EU and will nevertheless continue good relationship with EU-countries. Once this trade talks are over (will take a long time, again) things get back to normal. I think for the psyche of many British people it is essential to feel that they live in an independent country. I understand this.
Germany could also live without the EU but this will not happen for obvious reasons. And it is not recommendable right now. The EU will stay but it will take hundreds of years before it really becomes a union like the US. If it works ok, if not, I don't care.
First we have to survive the pandemic, this has priority and if possible to help other countries around the world.

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8 hours ago, RabidMongoose said:

We are better than the EU

Hypothesis. Phase 1 of the study started on 01FEB20, phase 2 is scheduled for 01JAN21.

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There is a reason why Britain ruled the world ...

Yeah, like a number of other countries as well. By colonization military occupation, exploitation, suppression, annexation and enslavement. But that model is outdated today, fortunately.

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... and now America does.

I dont feel ruled by the USA, why you?

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Where is your fight, your honour, your pride?

Dangerous and outdated words.

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5 hours ago, joc said:

Meanwhile...while all the sniveling little Europeein' Cry Babies are having a good Wah..wah..wah...

US numbers are doubling every 4 days...if this keeps up...by the 18th of April we will have 6.2 million cases...and if the 4% death rate is accurate...248,000  dead.  If the 10% is more accurate...620,000 dead.   :hmm:

And Italy is right behind us in numbers....

So you came to cry that your Trumplandia is the real victim, in a thread about the EU? 

At least there's God after all and one of the guys who was publicly blaring that COVID is a lie designed to hurt your messiah of stupidity - has died. Of COVID. Have a pity party over the fact that it's Trumps yuuuge fault you will indeed have the yuuuuugest death toll. 

Also, stay on topic and cry over your selfish incompetence someplace else.  

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8 hours ago, odas said:

????? 

Just one question for you, are you the crazy one or the confused one in the romantic erotic story?

It doesn't translate. 

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9 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

Somebody has to do it - put you out of your obvious misery. Only one who is desperately grasping at straws would quote or reference the Express to anchor their argument or point of view. It has no journalistic integrity. On the contrary, its clickbait tabloid headlines sensationalise and distort reality. The epitome of emotive and fake news. Have you no self-respect or sense of self-worth 

It's not me glued to the EU teat pretending everything's rosey, grow some balls and face the facts.

 

9 hours ago, Ozymandias said:

Great poem! But the point of your truncated quote seems meaningless

I imagined you'd have known the poem and it's meaning, but your lack of comprehension doesn't surprise me. 

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1 hour ago, toast said:

Hypothesis. Phase 1 of the study started on 01FEB20, phase 2 is scheduled for 01JAN21.

Yeah, like a number of other countries as well. By colonization military occupation, exploitation, suppression, annexation and enslavement. But that model is outdated today, fortunately.

I dont feel ruled by the USA, why you?

Dangerous and outdated words.

Not only Brexiter worldview is outdated and dangerous, it's becoming increasingly irrational in this COVID situation.  

Both Brexit and Trump were propelled into existence by Russian troll machine, with clear and hostile purpose, and it would drag on for years if the COVID **** didn't hit the global fan. 

In a few weeks (or short months) the political picture will be completely different and I don't think anyone can predict with realistic certainty in which way. 

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3 hours ago, Katzenking said:

The UK doesn't need the EU and will nevertheless continue good relationship with EU-countries. Once this trade talks are over (will take a long time, again) things get back to normal. I think for the psyche of many British people it is essential to feel that they live in an independent country. I understand this.
Germany could also live without the EU but this will not happen for obvious reasons. And it is not recommendable right now. The EU will stay but it will take hundreds of years before it really becomes a union like the US. If it works ok, if not, I don't care.
First we have to survive the pandemic, this has priority and if possible to help other countries around the world.

Excellent post, we don't know how well it will turn out, if we'd be better of in or out but it was something we had to do. 

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10 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Not only Brexiter worldview is outdated and dangerous, it's becoming increasingly irrational in this COVID situation.  

Why?

 

11 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Both Brexit and Trump were propelled into existence by Russian troll machine, with clear and hostile purpose, and it would drag on for years if the COVID **** didn't hit the global fan. 

Proof.

 

12 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

In a few weeks (or short months) the political picture will be completely different and I don't think anyone can predict with realistic certainty in which way. 

Stating the obvious. 

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7 minutes ago, hetrodoxly said:

Excellent post, we don't know how well it will turn out, if we'd be better of in or out but it was something we had to do. 

It was something Russia wanted you to do and you fell for it because it was jingoist propaganda you wanted to hear. 

If only you knew that only people who have no self-confidence resort to extreme forms of 'belonging' - be it nation, party or sport club. 

Realistically, no nation is exceptionally better than anyone else. And it's obviously the worst mistake one can make to base your plans on not realistic concepts.   

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2 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

In a few weeks (or short months) the political picture will be completely different and I don't think anyone can predict with realistic certainty in which way. 

My thoughts exactly. Post-Corona, politics in a lot of countries will change and I think/hope to the good. The current crisis is like a kind of audit of current "leaders" (especially US/UK) and the (sad) death toll is a yardstick of their incapacity to take the right steps at the right time. Their Incompetence and ignorance shown is a chance that even hill people might recognize that a big mouth isnt enough to manage a country/nation to the benefit of its citizens.

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Just now, hetrodoxly said:

Why?

 

Proof.

 

Stating the obvious. 

Why? - because you keep trying to isolate yourself in a situation that requires cooperation, even between actual enemies - not to mention your bizarre belief that the EU is your enemy is utterly devastating for you, not for the EU. 

 

Proof - both Brexit and Trump being Russian pet projects is the axiom. Denying it makes the denier put their sanity in question, not the axiom in question. 

 

Stating the obvious - yes, but you'll still cut your nose to spite your face.   

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2 minutes ago, toast said:

My thoughts exactly. Post-Corona, politics in a lot of countries will change and I think/hope to the good. The current crisis is like a kind of audit of current "leaders" (especially US/UK) and the (sad) death toll is a yardstick of their incapacity to take the right steps at the right time. Their Incompetence and ignorance shown is a chance that even hill people might recognize that a big mouth isnt enough to manage a country/nation to the benefit of its citizens.

I also hope it might be to the good. I often curb these optimist thoughts of mine, since they seem almost too good, but then I remember it costs thousands of lives, so it's grim enough after all that it might be realistic. 

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1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It was something Russia wanted you to do and you fell for it because it was jingoist propaganda you wanted to hear. 

If only you knew that only people who have no self-confidence resort to extreme forms of 'belonging' - be it nation, party or sport club. 

Realistically, no nation is exceptionally better than anyone else. And it's obviously the worst mistake one can make to base your plans on not realistic concepts.   

Eh? What? You have funny ideas about us Brits.

The majority of my people wanted a free trade agreement not to be part of a United States of Europe. Yet that is what the EU has been turning into. We have wanted out for the last 40 years and has taken us 35 to force the politicians to give us a referendum.

Of course Jingoism plays a part but it never originated from Russian propaganda. We have always been Jingoistic or did you forget the British Empire? Most of us Brits truly believe that we are the greatest most wonderfully fantastic people in all of history. Just look at our list of achievements.

When you have the achievements to back it up then its not a delusion, we really are brilliant! We dont suffer from low self-confidence, we have total believe in ourselves. We know what we can do, we know what we can be, and we will be once again.

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