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China and their lack of action

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Manwon Lender
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When this current situation the world is suffering from ends should the Country responsible be held accountable for the deceptive practices that endangered the World. It seems to me that any country that endangers all the other Nations on our planet due to a lack of response and a lack of accurately sharing information must be held accountable for their actions, the question is how to do it. War is not the answer, because it will only cause many more deaths, along with spreading more disease.

 Economic sanctions against China will also not really work since they are one of the largest manufacturing powers globally, unless the rest of the world could join together and pick the slack left behind. The purpose of this thread is to explore possible ideas on how to deal with this situation. Because if they are allowed to continue in the manner they have, things will only get worst so this behavior of deception and dishonesty can no longer be tolerated.                      

 

Peace

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third_eye

" Test kits "

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Introduction: SARS-CoV-2 (novel coronavirus) was first reported on 31st Dec 2019 in the city of Wuhan, China. Initial cases were linked to ...
 
2 days ago · & HILDEN, Germany--(BUSINESS WIRE)-- QIAGEN (NYSE: QGEN; Frankfurt Prime Standard: QIA) today announced that it has received emergency use authorization (EUA) from the U.S. Food and Drug Administration (FDA) for its newly developed QIAstat-Dx Respiratory SARS-CoV-2 Panel test for ...
 
Jump to Approaches to testing · Hong Kong has set up a scheme where ... A first lab survey revealed that as of calendar week 12/ 2020 ... (6.9%) tested positive for SARS-CoV- 2.
 
13 Mar 2020 · First commercial test for SARS-CoV-2 will enable expedited coronavirus testing to meet urgent medical needs; Testing .

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If the virus could talk... Oh wait... We already can listen... 

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Database of Genomic Structural Variation ( dbVar) · GenBank: tbl2asn · Genome ... MN985325, complete, 2020-01-19, USA: WA.
 
by R Sah · 2020
12 Mar 2020 · A complete genome sequence was obtained for a severe ... mild fever, and throat congestion, suggesting COVID-19 (4) ...
 
3 days ago · "By comparing the available genome sequence data for known coronavirus strains, we can firmly determine ...
 
6 Mar 2020 · Ready-to-go COVID-19 primers available for quick ... DNA - Extraction (Genomic) ... In addition, COVID-19 Detection Kits as well as Viral RNA ... Name, Sequence  ...
 
17 Mar 2020 · An analysis of public genome sequence data from SARS-CoV-2 and related viruses found no evidence that the virus ..

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Relax... As soon as the patents are sorted out and signed... 

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Manwon Lender
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20 minutes ago, third_eye said:

" Test kits "

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If the virus could talk... Oh wait... We already can listen... 

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Relax... As soon as the patents are sorted out and signed... 

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I have no problem with these links, my problem is directed at inaccurate information coming from China that didn't tell the rest of the World how bad things had become before it was too late. For instance the Chinese Government didn't allow the WHO access to Wuhan until almost a month after the first reports came out of China. I am not saying that this is not a naturally occurring Virus because I beleive it is. What I am saying is in reality the first known cases were reported in November, and by the time the World was notified the Virus was already out of China's control. 

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Manwon Lender

Sorry but I don't find these accusations funny, since they are true.

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1 minute ago, Manwon Lender said:

I have no problem with these links, my problem is directed at inaccurate information coming from China that didn't tell the rest of the World how bad things had become before it was too late. For instance the Chinese Government didn't allow the WHO access to Wuhan until almost a month after the first reports came out of China. I am not saying that this is not a naturally occurring Virus because I beleive it is. What I am saying is in reality the first known cases were reported in November, and by the time the World was notified the Virus was already out of China's control. 

Peace

"novel" virus means what to you? 

I know what it means to virologists and medical scientists.... 

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Anyway, nobody was paying attention... 

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16 Oct 2019 · The site, run from South Korea, had hundreds of ... Fifty children saved as paedophile ring busted · Child ...
 
 
 
16 Oct 2019 · ... computer server in South Korea, were sold to paedophiles around the world ... taken down a global child abuse ring in which paedophiles in at least 38 ...
 
 
 
16 Oct 2019 · Its upload page specifically stated: “Do not upload adult porn.” Paedophile who abused 22 Malaysian children ..

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spartan max2
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7 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Sorry but I don't find these accusations funny, since they are true.

Peace

It's immpossible to have a rational conversation with third eye whenever the Chinese goverment is mentioned. He spasms out or something.

It's best to just tell him to have a nice day.

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As for OP, I have no idea what sort of "punishments" would work. I just wish their goverment would understand that trying to hide these things hurt EVERYONE.

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Manwon Lender
Just now, third_eye said:

"novel" virus means what to you? 

I know what it means to virologists and medical scientists.... 

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Anyway, nobody was paying attention... 

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Novel simply means new, which has little or nothing to due with hiding the fact that the Virus was overwhelming a city, or about waiting to long to take the appropriate actions.

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Manwon Lender
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3 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

It's immpossible to have a rations conversation with third eye whenever the Chinese goverment is mentioned. His spasms out or something.

It's best to just tell him to have a nice day.

I can't fault him for National Pride, on most things we agree and his opinion here doesn't change my respect for him at all.

Peace

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Manwon Lender
3 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

As for OP, I have no idea what sort of "punishments would work" I just wish their goverment would understand that trying to hide these things hurt EVERYONE.

I am with you here, I also don't know what can be done. But something has to be done that involves the entire world community.

Peace

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3 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Novel simply means new, which has little or nothing to due with hiding the fact that the Virus was overwhelming a city, or about waiting to long to take the appropriate actions.

Peace

It also means nobody "knew"

It also means there was no science to fight with or against... 

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2 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I can't fault him for National Pride, on most things we agree and his opinion here doesn't change my respect for him at all.

Peace

Correction, not National pride, if you don't see the blatant hypocrisy as well as the outright prejudice fuelled by bigotry blinded by political desperation, I don't want your respect... 

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razman

Did the virus in china spread to all their cities?

 

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Manwon Lender
1 minute ago, third_eye said:

It also means nobody "knew"

It also means there was no science to fight with or against... 

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Correction, not National pride, if you don't see the blatant hypocrisy as well as the outright prejudice fuelled by bigotry blinded by political desperation, I don't want your respect... 

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My comments are not blatantly fueled prejudiced bigotry that are blinded by political desperation, they are factual representations of what has occurred, as far as respect is concerned that's sadly your choice.

Peace

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Just now, Manwon Lender said:

My comments are not blatantly fueled prejudiced bigotry that are blinded by political desperation, they are factual representations of what has occurred, as far as respect is concerned that's sadly your choice.

Peace

Be happy, I'm happy enough for a clean and clear conscience, I'm still waiting on the American miracle 2020™

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4 minutes ago, third_eye said:

Be happy, I'm happy enough for a clean and clear conscience, I'm still waiting on the American miracle 2020™

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I am not unhappy and my conscience is very clean and clear, as far as the American Miracle of 2020 goes that certainly isn' going to happen.

Peace

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10 minutes ago, razman said:

Did the virus in china spread to all their cities?

Allegedly not.

On one hand China took extreme measures to stop the virus that no democratic nation would ever do. Military quarentine of cities. Door to door military testing , etc. Which probably stopped the spread alot.

On the other hand China kicked alot of journalist out of China and have had highly suspect reporting practices, so it's hard to totally trust the reported numbers.

Currently there are still cases being reported just to a much smaller extent. So hopefully a second outbreak does not take off and the virus gets stomped out.

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Manwon Lender
Just now, spartan max2 said:

Allegedly not.

On one hand China took extreme measures to stop the virus that no democratic nation would ever do. 

On the other hand China kicked alot of journalist and have had highly suspect reporting practices.

Currently there are still cases being reported just to a much smaller extent. So hopefully a second outbreak does not take off and the virus gets stomped out.

They did take extreme measures to stop the Virus, the problem is they waited too long to do so. This won't be the last Pamdemic we will see, its only the beginning of what is going to come. Where the next one happens can not be predicted, we can only hope that it will be handled differently.

Peace

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spartan max2
18 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I am with you here, I also don't know what can be done. But something has to be done that involves the entire world community.

Peace

All I can think is some sort of global pandemic alliance response force (lol). Sort of like NATO but for pandemics.

The agreement would be that each member nation's sends experts, doctors, and supplies, once a virus is reported on a member nation.

Maybe the incentive of mass help would encourage the Chinese goverment to report as early as possible.

Though WHO may already serve a similar function to what I mentioned.

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razman

Yea I still find it hard to see that it did not make it to their other cities. Look how fast it spread around the world.

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4 minutes ago, razman said:

Yea I still find it hard to see that it did not make it to their other cities. Look how fast it spread around the world.

Yeah it's highly suspect.

Also it spread all around Hubei province, and a little to the surrounding proviences, think of it as a state not one city. 

edit: sorry for the font haha.

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Manwon Lender
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32 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

All I can think is some sort of global pandemic alliance response force (lol). Sort of like NATO but for pandemics.

The agreement would be that each member nation's sends experts, doctors, and supplies, once a virus is reported on a member nation.

Maybe the incentive of mass help would encourage the Chinese goverment to report as early as possible.

Though WHO may already serve a similar function to what I mentioned.

Your right the WHO does serve that function, and they should be the point where a Global response starts. But they have to be invited to the country experiencing the problems, but that wasn't the case here. They weren't allowed into Wuhan until the Virus was out of control, it just doesn't make any sense.

Peace

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razman

Maybe they did engineer it, and that's what they were trying to hide. 

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8 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Your right the WHO does serve that function, and they should be the point where a Global response starts. But they have to be invited to the country experiencing the problems, but that wasn't the case here. They weren't allowed into Wuhan until the city Virus was out of control, it just doesn't make any sense.

Peace

Then I'm all out of ideas. No incentive or punishment would work.

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Manwon Lender
7 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

Then I'm all out of ideas. No incentive or punishment would work.

I am with you there.

Peace

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1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

When this current situation the world is suffering from ends should the Country responsible be held accountable for the deceptive practices that endangered the World. It seems to me that any country that endangers all the other Nations on our planet due to a lack of response and a lack of accurately sharing information must be held accountable for their actions, the question is how to do it. War is not the answer, because it will only cause many more deaths, along with spreading more disease.

 Economic sanctions against China will also not really work since they are one of the largest manufacturing powers globally, unless the rest of the world could join together and pick the slack left behind. The purpose of this thread is to explore possible ideas on how to deal with this situation. Because if they are allowed to continue in the manner they have, things will only get worst so this behavior of deception and dishonesty can no longer be tolerated.                      

 

Peace

I tend to agree but... they ' ve been eating shi....t for centuries and nothing had mutated until now. What if someone wants to witheld China accountable for this and create a new mondial order ... w/o China? ;)

Besides are you aware that domestic cats have also been infected with CoVid since 70's , again never mutated? 

If something bad related to food had to happen I would expected to start in Thailand.

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