Wepwawet Posted May 21, 2020 #601 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 3 hours ago, Thanos5150 said: I do not believe it was just "decoration", but as I have said and shown many times is representative of a specific building. To be clear there is the serekh, the royal enclosure, but then the "serekh building" inside of it. Above that there is the "name" of the king which standing on the serekh is Horus. As it relates to funerary architecture I am saying that this building is not one and the same as kingship, or a symbol of the state, and a representation of that specific building which for some reason they equated with being the "way station" between the land of the living and that of the dead in which the king was its "steward", if that's the right word. "I am king of the living and lord of the gateway to the underworld". In the 1st Dynasty why do you assume Horus sitting atop the serekh served a "religious" aspect and not a political one? Horus represented the north and Set the south. As much as one wants to impose later cultural religious memes of Horus onto these earlier times there is no reason at that time it had anything to do with religion but was rather iconographic of an ideological political state. Look at the many standards of the nomes who had their own iconography like this little fellow you might recognize: This is not to say there was no "religious" component to it but these are more so in these applications iconographic "figure heads" of political states namely representative of land ownership/rule. As far as the religious significance of the palace facade it seems clear that it existed as nothing was more paramount in their funerary decoration which though its doors was the threshold to the land of the dead. The boats go hand in hand with the serekh building. They are seen in the first Dynasty not around the tombs at Umm el-Qa'ab, but the massive palace facade enclosures at Shunet ez-Zebib and are found there as a fleet. There were also boat burials in the 1st Dynasty for individuals found at the Saqqara palace facade tombs, Helwan (if next to palace facade I do not think was ever published), and near the palace facade mastabas at Abu Roash. Again, it is tempting to impose later beliefs on this early Dynastic Period, but the fact is that if these later beliefs had any relation we do not know. Though they may have had something to do with a journey in the afterlife, personally, I do not think it meant the same thing then as it did to later Dynasties. As boats being there if cenotaphs, if ultimately at this time they are for the kings journey in the afterlife, and if the pyramids were cenotaphs for the kings KA, then which would need the boat more-the body or the spirit? Can you provide some evidence to say that the serekh, in funerary terms, equates a "way station", as I have never come across this idea before, and, just to refresh my memory, flicked through the indexes to a number of publications, not least by Kemp, Romer, Assman , Hornung, Morenz, Quirke, Ikram and O'Connor, and cannot find any references to serekhs as being of any major religious importance, only as a symbol of the state, like SPQR, and only in Romer and Kemp, the others not even mentioning the serekh in the works I looked at. Sounds like an "appeal to authority" but if none of those mention the serekh in religious funerary terms, then it's likely there is no relgious funerary function, only state and decorative. The serdab is the meeting point for the ka of the deceased with the living, and the place where the ba may leave and enter the tomb, so I don't see where the palace facade, in total as it seems you mean, serves the same function. The king lived in a palace in life, so he lives in a palace in death, hence the tomb bult like a palace, with it's facade. Horus is a god, therefore his, or the presence of any god, has a religious significance. This religious significance is all part and parcel of kingship, in Egypt or anywhere else, for instance in medieval Europe kings ruled by the "Divine right of God", and the Emperor of Japan is the descendent of a god. All the Nomes had their own god, or gods, which can be unique to that nome, Horus transcends this as he is omnipresent over all of Egypt, having a major cult center in Lower Egypt at Buto and one in Upper Egypt at Nekhen. Certainly there is a major political role for having Horus tied to the king, but that role is from the religious myth of how two lands became one, and Horus represents that whether he is wearing the double crown or not. In kingship, there is no divide between the sacred and profane, and that is expressed in the king's Horus name, but beyond that we have the state, expressed by the palace facade, and there is a gap between them. The death and burial of the king is personal to him, but it is not the death of the state and there is a new Horus in the palace, the dead one having the honour of being buried in a fake one. While the ka can be remote from the tomb at Abydos for the purpose of viewing the great processions of Wepwawet and Osiris, and pre Unas we cannot say that Osiris was present, I find nothing to say that any funerary boat had the purpose of transporting the ka in the afterlife. It's the ba, the consciousness, that travels in the boats, it's the ba of Ra, and hence that of the king, that gets resurrected, and it is the ba of all previous kings who travel on the boat, whether it is Mandjet or Mesektet. What you are proposing is yet a further separation of the tomb from it's ancillary structures, a separation that did not happen until the 18th Dynasty, so you would be transposing the practices of a later period onto the past, not a difficult trap to fall into, and I'll hold my hand up. I also see this occuring in the way you argue for the criticality of decoration in the tomb of a king, when that level of criticality you strongly state does not show itself until Unas, and reaches it's final form in the 18th Dynasty where it cannot be overstated how important the decoration was, even though they didn't always get it all finished, which raises just a little question mark about what really was vital, and I have already mentioned the sah and all the spells accompanying it. Edited May 21, 2020 by Wepwawet 2 1 Top Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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