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Do we live in a self-simulating universe ?

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zep73

Yup, the evidence is hard to keep denying, but this is just a bad excuse to keep the universe fundamental to existence.

It's basically what Tom Campbell is saying, and I don't agree with his semi-spiritual approach.

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RoofGardener
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Hmm.. a Los Angeles theoritical physics institute. 

That's in California, isn't it ? 

Nuff said :P 

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L.A.T.1961

I much prefer a straight computer simulation to this. 

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DieChecker

It's not a very big stretch from "self imaging universe" to "God".

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XenoFish

I'm unimpressed by this simulation.

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L.A.T.1961
Just now, XenoFish said:

I'm unimpressed by this simulation.

Unfortunately its the only one you have. Or is it ....

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XenoFish
Just now, L.A.T.1961 said:

Unfortunately its the only one you have. Or is it ....

If there were multiple simulations I wouldn't be impressed by those either. 

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Piney
6 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm.. a Los Angeles theoritical physics institute. 

It's a not a "institute". It's a non-accredited crank con job in the vein of Tom DeLonge's 'To The Stars Academy'.

https://quantumgravityresearch.org/

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RoofGardener
2 minutes ago, Piney said:

It's a not a "institute". It's a non-accredited crank con job in the vein of Tom DeLonge's 'To The Stars Academy'.

https://quantumgravityresearch.org/

Aha.. thanks for that @Piney. I suspected as much. 

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zep73
7 minutes ago, L.A.T.1961 said:

I much prefer a straight computer simulation to this. 

What they are trying to do, is to ádmit what the evidence tell us, while clinging to their own relevance.

The main reason for the great opposition this theory meets, is that very few people likes to be reduced to some algorithm in someone else's computer. They can't accept that they don't truly exist.

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, sci-nerd said:

What they are trying to do, is to ádmit what the evidence tell us, while clinging to their own relevance.

The main reason for the great opposition this theory meets, is that very few people likes to be reduced to some algorithm in someone else's computer. They can't accept that they don't truly exist.

Then it all comes down to who wrote the programs for reality. Lovely a new religion is born. Praise be unto the Great Programmer.:nw:

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L.A.T.1961
11 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

If there were multiple simulations I wouldn't be impressed by those either. 

You are hard to please. :D

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XenoFish
Just now, L.A.T.1961 said:

You are hard to please. :D

I'm impossible to please. 

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zep73
13 minutes ago, Piney said:

It's a not a "institute". It's a non-accredited crank con job in the vein of Tom DeLonge's 'To The Stars Academy'.

https://quantumgravityresearch.org/

QGR might be frowned upon by some old schoolers, but they do have PhD's and they're not trying to con anyone.

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papageorge1

To me, this sounds like a positive upgrade to the computer simulation model. 

As an Advaita (non-dual=God/Brahman/Consciousness and the universe are not-two) school follower this makes increasing sense. The universe is a great play/drama of Consciousness/Source. 

Here is a concise way of showing the fundamental difference with materialism.

Materialism: Matter is primary and consciousness is a derivative of matter

Advaita/Pantheism: Consciousness/God/Brahman is primary and matter is a derivative of Consciousness

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XenoFish
1 minute ago, papageorge1 said:

To me, this sounds like a positive upgrade to the computer simulation model. 

As an Advaita (non-dual=God/Brahman/Consciousness and the universe are not-two) school follower this makes increasing sense. The universe is a great play/drama of Consciousness/Source. 

Here is a concise way of showing the fundamental difference with materialism.

Materialism: Matter is primary and consciousness is a derivative of matter

Advaita/Pantheism: Consciousness/God/Brahman is primary and matter is a derivative of Consciousness

See. Exactly what I was talking about. It becomes a "God" thing. 

Maybe god is some fat kid playing a sim game.

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papageorge1
Just now, XenoFish said:

See. Exactly what I was talking about. It becomes a "God" thing. 

Maybe god is some fat kid playing a sim game.

If you understood, it is saying 'we' are that God as Consiousness is One and the only permanent real..

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Piney
6 minutes ago, sci-nerd said:

QGR might be frowned upon by some old schoolers, but they do have PhD's and they're not trying to con anyone.

They are asking for money rather than applying for grants. 

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XenoFish
Just now, papageorge1 said:

If you understood, it is saying 'we' are that God as Consiousness is One and the only permanent real..

Nope. I will not share in this unified consciousness with you. God can delete me now. 

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zep73
4 minutes ago, papageorge1 said:

To me, this sounds like a positive upgrade to the computer simulation model. 

As an Advaita (non-dual=God/Brahman/Consciousness and the universe are not-two) school follower this makes increasing sense. The universe is a great play/drama of Consciousness/Source. 

Here is a concise way of showing the fundamental difference with materialism.

Materialism: Matter is primary and consciousness is a derivative of matter

Advaita/Pantheism: Consciousness/God/Brahman is primary and matter is a derivative of Consciousness

Consciousness is not primary. It's just a very cool algorithm.

Attention gives rise to "matter", which is really just pixels, or voxels.

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The Wistman

Personally I prefer multiple stimulations to multiple simulations. 

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papageorge1
Just now, XenoFish said:

Nope. I will not share in this unified consciousness with you. God can delete me now. 

We are One Xeno with the illusion of separateness being delusion of the ultimate truth. Some are just deeper in the delusion than others.

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zep73
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4 minutes ago, Piney said:

They are asking for money rather than applying for grants. 

If that's what it takes, to keep doing what you have a passion for, then it sounds like a good idea! They are totally transparent about what they do.

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XenoFish
Just now, papageorge1 said:

We are One Xeno with the illusion of separateness being delusion of the ultimate truth. Some are just deeper in the delusion than others.

You shouldn't have dived into the deep end. 

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