+Hammerclaw Posted July 6, 2020 #201 Share Posted July 6, 2020 28 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: I think that god is merely human ego projection. I am always struck at what an ugly literary creation the monotheist god actually is; what a flawed and shameful description of a godhead, then I remember that there is nothing more ugly than a human ego given full flight. Small-minded people think small--I never expect anymore of them. You're oblivious to your own "ego projection" above. It's seems some people go through life, curled in the fetal position, picking lint from their navels. Sad; there's nothing more tragic than tiny little closed minds. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted July 6, 2020 #202 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 9 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Small-minded people think small--I never expect anymore of them. You're oblivious to your own "ego projection" above. It's seems some people go through life, curled in the fetal position, picking lint from their navels. Sad; there's nothing more tragic than tiny little closed minds. "Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll to to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money!" -George Carlin. Given how ugly the literary character of God is in the Bible, why would you even want to have anything to do with it? He is a less sympathetic character than Satan as written, from a purely literary perspective. I mean, your god is supposed to be love... but it's a jealous creepy love that thrives on punishing his own creations, rather than taking responsibility for their failings. Oh and his plan for the world is perfect, except that he needed to destroy it with a flood. And he endorses genocide. Edited July 6, 2020 by Alchopwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 6, 2020 #203 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Alchopwn said: "Religion convinced the world that there's an invisible man in the sky who watches everything you do. And there's 10 things he doesn't want you to do or else you'll to to a burning place with a lake of fire until the end of eternity. But he loves you! ...And he needs money! He's all powerful, but he can't handle money!" -George Carlin. "Never argue with stupid people. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." -Samuel Clemens 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted July 6, 2020 #204 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: "Never argue with stupid people. They'll drag you down to their level and beat you with experience." -Samuel Clemens Clemens was an atheist btw. Nice of you to make that point against yourself however. Edited July 6, 2020 by Alchopwn Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 6, 2020 #205 Share Posted July 6, 2020 (edited) 12 minutes ago, Alchopwn said: Clemens was an atheist btw. Nice of you to make that point against yourself however. I have no problem with atheists, their honesty is refreshing. However, I do have a problem with A-holes such as you, whatever stripe. Most atheists understand I have no obligation to provide proof of a belief, anymore than they have an obligation to provide proof of a negative, both being opinions lacking confirmational data. A-holes of either camp will often foist insulting rationalizations on you to bolster their argument. Pathetic nothings, hardly worthy of notice. Edited July 6, 2020 by Hammerclaw Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 6, 2020 #206 Share Posted July 6, 2020 When all else fails, create your own god. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 6, 2020 #207 Share Posted July 6, 2020 All these complaint about Christianity, most Christians are not even Christian. They typically follow a cliff-notes version of their brand of faith. Toss out the outdated non-sense. Belief in god, prayer, and trying to be a decent human being. At least that's what I gather. It takes a special kind of stupid to be a fire and brimstone bible thumper. I honestly think that kind of person lack actual faith so they compensate. As far as I can tell in regards to god-belief. It is supposed to be between the believer and their god, not the believer and everyone else. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
White Crane Feather Posted July 6, 2020 #208 Share Posted July 6, 2020 I don’t expect or demand to be loved by my child. I really want them to love me, but I’m willing to sacrifice that want for their own good. Just ask my 13 year old. If god viewed us as it’s children, then I would think there would be A similar relationship. My experience with what I perceive to be god is that it’s more like a dog. It wants our love and attention really bad, but is okay without it. I’m the same way with my children and wife. Why wouldn’t it? I think the ultimate of being a conscious being is the relationships we have with other conscious beings. I don’t think worshiped is the right word. From my own experiences being “worshiped“ and elevated to higher places than I thought was healthy in the minds of others made me very uncomfortable. As a martial arts school owner it does happen sometimes, and I have seen how less honorable men handle it. I think god is indifferent to humans worshiping her, but does indeed enjoy genuine love. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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Piney Posted July 6, 2020 #210 Share Posted July 6, 2020 8 hours ago, Hammerclaw said: Daniel is fiction, too, written long after the events it depicts--but very good fiction. Such morphing of fiction into reality happens even in modern times, such as the story of The Angels of Mons. It's all fiction including the Gospels. Even Maccabees is twisted up. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 6, 2020 #211 Share Posted July 6, 2020 2 minutes ago, Piney said: It's all fiction including the Gospels. Even Maccabees is twisted up. Christianity existed before the gospels, which were a tale that grew in the telling after the revolts. Yeshuah bar Josef, the teacher, may have been known of outside of Judea before his ill-fated Passover trip. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 6, 2020 #212 Share Posted July 6, 2020 19 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: Yeshuah bar Josef, Was completely imaginary. Joseph was added much later in the story. In my opinion they needed to tag a Hebrew's name to some Alexandrian Greco-Buddhist teachings to make it palpable to other Hebrews. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 6, 2020 #213 Share Posted July 6, 2020 5 minutes ago, Piney said: Was completely imaginary. Joseph was added much later in the story. In my opinion they needed to tag a Hebrew's name to some Alexandrian Greco-Buddhist teachings to make it palpable to other Hebrews. I wouldn't know, as--unlike yourself--I don't have access to the complete story. All I hear is glorified/pompous declarations of opinion from both sides. In the end belief in either will have to suffice. Crisis and conversion seem to go hand in hand, as the story of Mitsuo Fuchida illustrates. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 6, 2020 #214 Share Posted July 6, 2020 14 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said: I wouldn't know, as--unlike yourself--I don't have access to the complete story. All I hear is glorified/pompous declarations of opinion from both sides. In the end belief in either will have to suffice. Crisis and conversion seem to go hand in hand, as the story of Mitsuo Fuchida illustrates. Until somebody shows me a historical document that isn't pious fraud I will continue to believe a bunch of Therapeutae teachings were attached to Jesus Ben Ananias. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 6, 2020 #215 Share Posted July 6, 2020 4 minutes ago, Piney said: Until somebody shows me a historical document that isn't pious fraud I will continue to believe a bunch of Therapeutae teachings were attached to Jesus Ben Ananias. Welcome to the wonderful world of belief. Perhaps you will outrun the white man in his own shoes, yet. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted July 6, 2020 #216 Share Posted July 6, 2020 Just now, Hammerclaw said: Welcome to the wonderful world of belief. Perhaps you will outrun the white man in his own shoes, yet. I have Mormons and JWs whistlers running the other way. But that might be because if I see them I answer the door in the buff. 1 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 6, 2020 #217 Share Posted July 6, 2020 1 minute ago, Piney said: I have Mormons and JWs whistlers running the other way. But that might be because if I see them I answer the door in the buff. I just platt the twishers on'em. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Hammerclaw Posted July 7, 2020 #218 Share Posted July 7, 2020 1 hour ago, Hammerclaw said: I just platt the twishers on'em. Refreshing to see some folks recognize the reference. The stories illustrate the uncertainties of immigrants to a foreign land, how they overcome distrust, suspicion and their own fears. Also, as is often the case, how maintaining vital links to their native culture enriches the whole. Zenna Henderson was a remarkably insightful woman. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted July 7, 2020 #219 Share Posted July 7, 2020 21 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker You do know that the little guy that's whistling at the end of my comment means I'm not serious right? You of all people should know that your post is meaningless to me because of past discussion where I have stated that for me god is our ability to think, create and realize potential and that is the truth of my way. jmccr8 True but, as always, my posts are directed beyond the person I am responding to. Many people have been fooled by catholicism's revision of the salvation story and live in fear. IMO this is the aim of the church(at least in it's past) Churches like their believers to fear god, because then the church has power over them through its monopoly on salvation. It is not only the catholic church which teaches this, but they originated it . My post was to correct that error so that people who are believers can live in hope, not fear. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted July 7, 2020 #220 Share Posted July 7, 2020 15 hours ago, Piney said: I think it's a Greek style satire of Daniel style prophecy written to insult somebody or something. Many biblical scholars do see an intended link between Daniel and revelations especially in their reinforcement and adaptation of prophecy However I think you make one mistake IMO the writers of these books BELIEVED what the y wrote to be true and important. Revelations was designed to complement Daniel, and to present the end of the biblical time line, with a final prophecy. You will find many articles on this, just by googling "relationship between daniel and revelations." 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted July 7, 2020 #221 Share Posted July 7, 2020 53 minutes ago, Mr Walker said: My post was to correct that error Hi Walker Just a minor point but there was no error in my jest if was a joke but the maybe it was a inside joke. None of your post was relevant to the humor intended. jmccr8 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted July 8, 2020 #222 Share Posted July 8, 2020 On 7/6/2020 at 7:26 PM, Piney said: But that might be because if I see them I answer the door in the buff. How many die from laughter. (You walked right into that one) 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted July 8, 2020 #223 Share Posted July 8, 2020 22 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker Just a minor point but there was no error in my jest if was a joke but the maybe it was a inside joke. None of your post was relevant to the humor intended. jmccr8 You are right, there was no error in your post, but in the general belief by many that christianity requires a priest to hear confession, or that the bible says that you go to either heaven or hell after dying. Anyone can commune with their god individually, and doesn't need a priest or even a religion.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted July 8, 2020 #224 Share Posted July 8, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, Mr Walker said: You are right, there was no error in your post, but in the general belief by many that christianity requires a priest to hear confession, or that the bible says that you go to either heaven or hell after dying. Anyone can commune with their god individually, and doesn't need a priest or even a religion.. Hi Walker You really should open a thread where I will actively engage you, I am tired of the moaning so try not to stress the other members by discussing with you. It was a joke,if I said I could put an a$$ 2 calfs and a thousand hares in a pair of pantyhose would it still have garnered a sermon? jmccr8 Edited July 8, 2020 by jmccr8 spulling 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Mr Walker Posted July 8, 2020 #225 Share Posted July 8, 2020 5 hours ago, jmccr8 said: Hi Walker You really should open a thread where I will actively engage you, I am tired of the moaning so try not to stress the other members by discussing with you. It was a joke,if I said I could put an a$$ 2 calfs and a thousand hares in a pair of pantyhose would it still have garnered a sermon? jmccr8 It would if I thought it required one 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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