Popular Post Kenemet Posted May 21, 2020 Popular Post #1 Share Posted May 21, 2020 https://www.businessinsider.com/coronavirus-antibody-study-suggests-sweden-not-reaching-herd-immunity-2020-5 Quote A new Swedish coronavirus antibody study suggests the herd-immunity strategy isn't working A new study suggested that only a small percentage of people in Sweden's capital, Stockholm, had developed coronavirus antibodies, casting doubt over whether the country's avoidance of strict lockdown measures is helping the population develop a significant level of immunity. The study, based on 1,100 tests across Sweden and carried out by the country's public-health agency, found that just 7.3% of people in Stockholm had developed antibodies, Reuters reported on Wednesday. Experts say populations can achieve so-called herd immunity to a virus when about 60% of people have caught it. Tom Britton, a professor who helped develop the agency's forecasting model, acknowledged that the calculations may have been wrong. This isn't really a surprising finding if you've been following the numbers. It has recently become the number one country in deaths per capita. The virus didn't reach Sweden until after much of the world had been reporting cases - if we look at one of those "cases by day' (as in "x number of cases, 80 days after the first report') it's clear that they were going to be in trouble. 4 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted May 21, 2020 #2 Share Posted May 21, 2020 Build a wall around Sweden, do not let them out. Keep the rest of the world safe. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted May 21, 2020 #3 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) 18 minutes ago, freetoroam said: Build a wall around Sweden, do not let them out. Keep the rest of the world safe. I know the man for the job ...and when he's done, they can keep him. Edited May 21, 2020 by sci-nerd 1 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
freetoroam Posted May 21, 2020 #4 Share Posted May 21, 2020 22 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: ...and when he's done, they can keep him. Bit harsh on the Swedes. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted May 21, 2020 #5 Share Posted May 21, 2020 (edited) reading the article I noticed that they suggested 60% was enough for herd immunity. That is fairly low compared to pertussin or measles which must be in the 92 to 95% range for herd immunity. HIT, herd immunity thresholds, are listed here. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Herd_immunity#Mechanics Edited May 21, 2020 by stereologist 3 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
stereologist Posted May 22, 2020 #6 Share Posted May 22, 2020 I was thinking about this lack of antibodies being detected. No one suspected that there might be a testing error. Also, I realized that one of the problems we had here with initial gloomy estimated in the US was that the models did not think people in the US would be compliant when social distancing. Maybe Swedes are doing more social distancing than the models expected. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted May 22, 2020 #7 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 minute ago, stereologist said: I was thinking about this lack of antibodies being detected. No one suspected that there might be a testing error. It's really great that testing in the US is wildly inaccurate, both in terms of antibodies and virus. 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 22, 2020 #8 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Yeah, it is, I guess. The truth will come into focus after the second wave washes through the population. Trump has just said the nation WILL NOT be allowed to go back into hiding/shutdown for the second wave. The line between the crazies on the Left and those on the Right who just want to work, pay their bills and get back to life as normal as possible, will be crystal clear by November. The hangers-on that are about letting government feed them and wipe their butts for them will be the minority and the states they control will be in much worse shape than the rest of the country. At some point, maybe they'll be shamed into going back to work like responsible adults. If not, screw them, let them go hungry. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted May 22, 2020 #9 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) So have only 7 percent of Stockholm been infected ? Or are people not building antibodies? Or was the test wrong ? This does not make sense unless one of those three things are true. Edited May 22, 2020 by spartan max2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted May 22, 2020 #10 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, and then said: Yeah, it is, I guess. The truth will come into focus after the second wave washes through the population. Trump has just said the nation WILL NOT be allowed to go back into hiding/shutdown for the second wave. The line between the crazies on the Left and those on the Right who just want to work, pay their bills and get back to life as normal as possible, will be crystal clear by November. The hangers-on that are about letting government feed them and wipe their butts for them will be the minority and the states they control will be in much worse shape than the rest of the country. At some point, maybe they'll be shamed into going back to work like responsible adults. If not, screw them, let them go hungry. So the only crazies are on the left, huh? You don't see any obese, diabetic MAGA wearing idiots posting videos of themselves being kicked out of stories because they won't wear a mask as request by said store? You know, PRIVATE businesses? Those only the right ONLY want to work, right? They're not showing up armed at statehouses and ranting, out of breath from the walk from their cars, about oppression because they're slightly inconvenienced with not a hint of the irony involved? 9 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted May 22, 2020 #11 Share Posted May 22, 2020 1 hour ago, spartan max2 said: So have only 7 percent of Stockholm been infected ? Or are people not building antibodies? Or was the test wrong ? This does not make sense unless one of those three things are true. "It means either the calculations made by the agency and myself are quite wrong, which is possible, but if that's the case it's surprising they are so wrong," he told the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter, according to The Guardian. "Or more people have been infected than developed antibodies." 5 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted May 22, 2020 #12 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 15 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: "It means either the calculations made by the agency and myself are quite wrong, which is possible, but if that's the case it's surprising they are so wrong," he told the Swedish newspaper Dagens Nyheter, according to The Guardian. "Or more people have been infected than developed antibodies." Yeah that's what I'm saying. Either only 7 percent of Stockholm has gotten Covid, something is wrong with the test, or not everyone is developing antibodies. Edited May 22, 2020 by spartan max2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 22, 2020 #13 Share Posted May 22, 2020 It would have been more intellectually honest if the title of this thread was.. Sweden admits to no herd immunity YET.. something like that is going to take a bit of time to build up.. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Timothy Posted May 22, 2020 #14 Share Posted May 22, 2020 17 minutes ago, bee said: It would have been more intellectually honest if the title of this thread was.. Sweden admits to no herd immunity YET.. something like that is going to take a bit of time to build up.. Your herd immunity hard on is showing! What’s happening in Sweden is not good, but hopeful it will result in somewhat of an end to the herd immunity debate. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted May 22, 2020 #15 Share Posted May 22, 2020 4 hours ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: So the only crazies are on the left, huh? If there are any Republican controlled states that are bending over in fear, hoping the Gob-ment will save them, cite them. The states are reopening and if the Fauci brigade are correct then we will shortly see mass death in those states that have the least control being exerted on them. If that doesn't happen, well, I'm sure you'll have another excuse. That's okay though, the average American will still see through the sick game the Left are running on the country. I find it quite satisfying to watch patriots in the Blue police state wannabes, protesting the seizure of their basic freedoms. As the economies of the states going back to work begin to prosper, more protests will ensue. It really amazes me just how out of touch, near irrational the Left have become. They're re-electing the Orange Man and they can't help themselves. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted May 22, 2020 #16 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 13 minutes ago, and then said: If there are any Republican controlled states that are bending over in fear, hoping the Gob-ment will save them, cite them. The states are reopening and if the Fauci brigade are correct then we will shortly see mass death in those states that have the least control being exerted on them. If that doesn't happen, well, I'm sure you'll have another excuse. That's okay though, the average American will still see through the sick game the Left are running on the country. I find it quite satisfying to watch patriots in the Blue police state wannabes, protesting the seizure of their basic freedoms. As the economies of the states going back to work begin to prosper, more protests will ensue. It really amazes me just how out of touch, near irrational the Left have become. They're re-electing the Orange Man and they can't help themselves. You're nuts, dude. You don't seem t ok have any comprehension or reality. I live in a state with a slug of a rep governor and there are tons of mouth breathing maga morons with their AR-penis replacements protesting that they can't get haircuts because they have no clue what oppression actually is. Slovenly hill people that are, ironically enough, most at risk becuade of their fat consumer McEconomy.(Mc-onomy?) It's telling that you seem to target Fauci, and actual scientist. You're lot just cannot stand someone with an education, can you? Edited May 22, 2020 by Imaginarynumber1 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
'Walt' E. Kurtz Posted May 22, 2020 #17 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 8 hours ago, freetoroam said: Build a wall around Sweden, do not let them out. Keep the rest of the world safe. What!! thats pretty unfair then we vikings cant pillage anymore. The population in Sweden is little over 10 million and the death toll from the Corona is up in approx 3900. Edited May 22, 2020 by 'Walt' E. Kurtz 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
OpenMindedSceptic Posted May 22, 2020 #18 Share Posted May 22, 2020 Or Sweden have got it right and the 'meedya' need to start chipping away at the narrative otherwise why did so many countries lockdown. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 22, 2020 #19 Share Posted May 22, 2020 21 minutes ago, Timothy said: Your herd immunity hard on is showing! What’s happening in Sweden is not good, but hopeful it will result in somewhat of an end to the herd immunity debate. Isn't herd immunity a good thing...?.... why on earth would you hope it doesn't work.. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 22, 2020 #20 Share Posted May 22, 2020 16 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: It's telling that you seem to target Fauci, and actual scientist. You're lot just cannot stand someone with an education, can you? actually I think it's the so called 'educated' that seem to be the most easy to Brainwash at the moment... easy to trigger with psychology that makes them feel like they're all clever and superior (whereas the opposite is true) the Evil Cabal....lurking in the shadows know who to flatter and enlist to help forward their agenda - ... (and Fauci could be one of their Tools...) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
bee Posted May 22, 2020 #21 Share Posted May 22, 2020 15 minutes ago, OpenMindedSceptic said: Or Sweden have got it right and the 'meedya' need to start chipping away at the narrative otherwise why did so many countries lockdown. exactly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted May 22, 2020 #22 Share Posted May 22, 2020 25 minutes ago, Imaginarynumber1 said: You're nuts, dude. You don't seem t ok have any comprehension or reality. I live in a state with a slug of a rep governor and there are tons of mouth breathing maga morons with their AR-penis replacements protesting that they can't get haircuts because they have no clue what oppression actually is. Slovenly hill people that are, ironically enough, most at risk becuade of their fat consumer McEconomy.(Mc-onomy?) It's telling that you seem to target Fauci, and actual scientist. You're lot just cannot stand someone with an education, can you? And yet, curiously, those states that have NOT imposed 'cower shelter in place' lockdown policies, and allow people to get haircuts, have similar (or lower) infection and death rates than the states that shoot you for stepping out of your front door. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Imaginarynumber1 Posted May 22, 2020 #23 Share Posted May 22, 2020 (edited) 32 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: And yet, curiously, those states that have NOT imposed 'cower shelter in place' lockdown policies, and allow people to get haircuts, have similar (or lower) infection and death rates than the states that shoot you for stepping out of your front door. Like the Dokatas? 5 people like there. They shouldn't be two states anyway. Im.confused by your reasoning, in any case. A virus isnt omnipresent. In areas where it's spreading fast, it makes sense to lockdown to contain m Edited May 22, 2020 by Imaginarynumber1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Guest Br Cornelius Posted May 22, 2020 #24 Share Posted May 22, 2020 There is a consistent pattern - which ever countries have toyed with the herd immunity theory have all had significantly higher fatality rates and have not been shown to have created any herd immunity. Br Cornelius Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Rlyeh Posted May 22, 2020 #25 Share Posted May 22, 2020 54 minutes ago, bee said: actually I think it's the so called 'educated' that seem to be the most easy to Brainwash at the moment... easy to trigger with psychology that makes them feel like they're all clever and superior (whereas the opposite is true) We just have to look at your post history to know that's false. 54 minutes ago, bee said: the Evil Cabal....lurking in the shadows know who to flatter and enlist to help forward their agenda - ... (and Fauci could be one of their Tools...) While in other news bee advocates eugenics. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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