Trump - Narcissistic personality disorder

[Grim Reaper 6]

@the13bats @third_eye @JVG @Hankenhunter @Golden Duck @Horta @Desertrat56 @The Wistman @Noteverythingisaconspiracy @Sir Wearer of Hats @DieChecker @Helen of Annoy  The more I listen to President Trump speak and Tweet the more it becomes clear that it is more than possible that he suffers from Narcissistic personality disorder.  The word narcissism gets tossed around a lot in our selfie-obsessed, celebrity-driven culture, often to describe someone who seems excessively vain or full of themselves. But in psychological terms, narcissism doesn’t mean self-love—at least not of a genuine sort. It’s more accurate to say that people with narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) are in love with an idealized, grandiose image of themselves. And they’re in love with this inflated self-image precisely because it allows them to avoid deep feelings of insecurity. But propping up their delusions of grandeur takes a lot of work—and that’s where the dysfunctional attitudes and behaviors come in.

Narcissistic personality disorder involves a pattern of self-centered, arrogant thinking and behavior, a lack of empathy and consideration for other people, and an excessive need for admiration. Others often describe people with NPD as cocky, manipulative, selfish, patronizing, and demanding. This way of thinking and behaving surfaces in every area of the narcissist’s life: from work and friendships to family and love relationships. People with narcissistic personality disorder are extremely resistant to changing their behavior, even when it’s causing them problems. Their tendency is to turn the blame on to others. What’s more, they are extremely sensitive and react badly to even the slightest criticisms, disagreements, or perceived slights, which they view as personal attacks. For the people in the narcissist’s life, it’s often easier just to go along with their demands to avoid the coldness and rages.

In the US, there has clearly been a movement towards pathocracy under Trump. As Lobaczewski’s theory predicts, the old guard of more moderate White House officials – the “adults in the room” – has fallen away. The president is now surrounded by individuals who share his authoritarian tendencies and lack of empathy and morality. Fortunately, to some extent, the democratic institutions of the US have managed to provide some push back. 

Here are some links that information above was Quoted from and that describes in more detail this disorder and the dangers that go along with it, when people who suffer from this disorder are Elected to high ranking political office.

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm

https://theconversation.com/pathological-power-the-danger-of-governments-led-by-narcissists-and-psychopaths-123118

Peace

Edited May 23, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[Piney]

None of the above.....

I say full on sociopath. 

[the13bats]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

None of the above.....

I say full on sociopath. 

He is both

Lets be fair he can several things at the same time, im speaking mental issue wise.

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

None of the above.....

I say full on sociopath. 

I will add that to the Poll.

Peace

[Piney]

Just now, the13bats said:

Lets be fair he can several things at the same time, im speaking mental issue wise.

It's more than several. 

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I will add that to the Poll.

Peace

It's psychopath. But that works. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

It's more than several. 

The poll has been adjusted as you suggested by your comments above, and your choice is there, so please vote.

Peace

[Piney]

Just now, Manwon Lender said:

The poll has been adjusted as you suggested by your comments above, and your choice is there, so please vote.

Peace

See above! 

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

It's psychopath. But that works. 

Thanks for looking out, its corrected.

Peace

[LightAngel]

 

 

[micahc]

https://www.theravive.com/therapedia/narcissistic-personality-disorder-dsm--5-301.81-(f60.81)

DSM-5 Category: Personality Disorders

Introduction

Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), a cluster B personality disorder, is considered to be one of the least identified personality disorders (Pies, 2011). On the other hand, a good number of patients with narcissistic traits present at the psychiatrist's office with other types of issues such as anxiety or depression. A common finding in clinical practice, NPD frequently coexists with other psychiatric disorders. NPD is a relatively recent diagnostic category. Its origins stem from a great effort between psychoanalysts and psychoanalytic psychotherapists to recognize a cluster of predominantly difficult patients who could not be classified as psychotic, not typically neurotic and overall not responsive to conventional psycho therapeutic treatment options (Gildersleeve, 2012).

NPD appears to be more widespread in males than females for unknown reasons. In the past there has been some speculation that the limited spotlight on grandiosity likely adds to the extensive discrepancy that is seen with small NPD prevalence rates in epidemiological research and elevated occurrences of NPD seen in clinical practice (Campbell, Miller, & Widiger, 2010).

The most important characteristics of NPD are grandiosity, seeking excessive admiration, and a lack of empathy (Ronningstam & Weinberg, 2013). These identifying features can result in a negative impact on an individual’s interpersonal affairs and life general. In most cases, on the exterior, these patients act with an air of right and control, dismissing others, and frequently showcasing condescending or denigrating attitudes. Nevertheless, internally, these patients battle with strong feelings of low self esteem issues and inadequacy. Even though the typical NPD patient may achieve great achievements, ultimately their functioning in society can be affected as these characteristics interfere with both personal and professional relationships. A large part of this is as result of the NPD patient being incapable of receiving disapproval or rebuff of any kind, in addition to the fact that the NPD patient typically exhibits lack of empathy and overall disrespect for others.

Symptoms of Narcissistic Personality Disorder

The definition of NPD states that it comprises of a persistent manner of grandiosity, a continuous desire for admiration, along with a lack of empathy. It starts by early adulthood and occurs in a range of situations, as signified by the existence of any 5 of the next 9 standards (American Psychiatric Association, 2013):

• A grandiose logic of self-importance
• A fixation with fantasies of infinite success, control, brilliance, beauty, or idyllic love
• A credence that he or she is extraordinary and exceptional and can only be understood by, or should connect with, other extraordinary or important people or institutions
• A desire for unwarranted admiration
• A sense of entitlement
• Interpersonally oppressive behavior
• No form of empathy
• Resentment of others or a conviction that others are resentful of him or her
• A display of egotistical and conceited behaviors or attitudes

Another model, characterizes NPD as having fair or superior impairment in personality functioning, apparent by characteristic troubles in at least 2 of the following 4 areas (American Psychiatric Association, 2013):

1. Individuality
2. Self-direction
3. Empathy
4. Closeness

No actual physical characteristics are seen with NPD, but patients may have concurrent substance abuse, which may be seen in the clinical examination.

Epidemiology

Narcissistic Personality Disorder is more prevalent in males, with about 18 percent of males presenting with NPD, compared to six percent of females (Ronningstam & Weinberg, 2013). Within the general population, the prevalence rate is less than one percent, yet within the clinical population, this number rises to about 2 to 16 percent.

Differential Diagnosis

NPD has similar characteristics with the other 3 cluster B personality disorders, and thus should be differentiated accordingly. These are Antisocial personality disorder (ASPD), Borderline personality disorder (BPD) and Histrionic personality disorder (HPD). Additionally individuals with NPD may also meet the definition for also having axis I disorder, or exhibits features that similar to axis I disorders (CITE).

While no particular laboratory tests help with the diagnosis of NPD, a urine toxicology screen may be important to exclude substance abuse such as alcohol and drugs as likely reasons of the pathology.

Co-morbidity

Several comorbid disorders occur with NPD, with the most common being major depressive disorder, seen in about 45 to 50 percent of NPD patients (Ronningstam & Weinberg, 2013). Bipolar disorder presents in 5 to 11 percent of NPD patients (Ronningstam & Weinberg, 2013). On the other hand, the most prevalent comorbidity seen is that of substance abuse. Approximately 24 to 64.2 percent of NPD patients have substance abuse disorders (Ronningstam & Weinberg, 2013).

Treatment for Narcissistic Personality Disorder

The treatments for NPD are forms of therapy, as well as pharmacologic (Narcissistic Personality Disorder, 2011). The core of treatment lies with individual psychotherapy, which consists mainly of psychoanalytic psychotherapy. In addition, other types of therapy may be utilized, such as family, group, couples therapies, plus cognitive-behavioral therapy (CBT). Since NPD patients commonly have other psychiatric ailments like depression, anxiety or other mood disorders, certain psychotropic medications may also be administered.

While treatment for NPD largely remains outpatient, an indication for inpatient stay should occur if the patient severely worsens or becomes a threat to their own safety as well as others. Even with inpatient care, it is best to opt for shorter hospital times, as extended stays have not been reported to transform the course of the illness. The use of hospitalization ought to only be used as a short-term method which facilitates either the stabilization of environmental stressors, and/or regulation of drug dosages .

Psychotherapy

With individual psychoanalytic psychotherapy, much debate exists between the 2 key school of thoughts Kernberg and Kohut, both offering conflicting methods regarding the therapist’s role in treating NPD patients. Kernberg advocates a direct confrontation of the NPD patient during therapy, with the goal of eliminating or weakening the patient’s grandiosity. On the other hand, Kohut supports a more empathic role, that encourages the patient’s grandiosity, thus strengthening the patient’s naturally deficient self image (Gildersleeve, 2012). In therapy, a common form of treatment is a combination of both.

 

 

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

The president is now surrounded by individuals who share his authoritarian tendencies and lack of empathy and morality

Examples?  Seems to me that such an outlook would have simply ignored the highly politicized lower court judge shopping the Left used to try to stop every executive move he made in the first couple of years.  He never even tried to do so.  He waited on the courts and was viNdicated EVERY TIME.  The media screamed that he was acting like a tyrant but he did nothing to come after any of them.  Many times in the past, Democrat presidents like Wilson, FDR and even Kennedy actually DID use IRS, CIA and FBI to go after reporters who wrote unflattering things about their policies.  

 

[Jodie.Lynne]

Trump is a Narcissist of the first order. He can not STAND being pointed out as in error. He claims to be smarter than everyone, including those who specialize in matters such as infectious diseases. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Trump is a Narcissist of the first order. He can not STAND being pointed out as in error. He claims to be smarter than everyone, including those who specialize in matters such as infectious diseases. 

Jodie, I totally agree with you, and I also think that in many respects he is dangerous and an overall bad influence for America where World Political situations are concerned. I appreciate your comments, thanks for posting and if you didn't please vote in the poll.

Peace

[+and-then]

15 minutes ago, Jodie.Lynne said:

Trump is a Narcissist of the first order. He can not STAND being pointed out as in error. He claims to be smarter than everyone, including those who specialize in matters such as infectious diseases. 

Is that the reason he accepted and implemented every recommendation they gave him?

Also, Fauci, he of the haloed among epidemiologists, had this to say:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-says-extended-stay-home-orders-could-cause-irreparable-damage

[Grim Reaper 6]

22 minutes ago, and then said:

Examples?  Seems to me that such an outlook would have simply ignored the highly politicized lower court judge shopping the Left used to try to stop every executive move he made in the first couple of years.  He never even tried to do so.  He waited on the courts and was viNdicated EVERY TIME.  The media screamed that he was acting like a tyrant but he did nothing to come after any of them.  Many times in the past, Democrat presidents like Wilson, FDR and even Kennedy actually DID use IRS, CIA and FBI to go after reporters who wrote unflattering things about their policies.  

 

Duncan none of that applies to the context of this discussion starting in the OP, the question is does he suffer from Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD), or does he suffer from a combination Narcissistic personality disorder (NPD) along with Psychopathy. 

Peace Duncan

[Jodie.Lynne]

2 minutes ago, and then said:

he accepted and implemented every recommendation they gave him?

Such as wearing a mask in public? Or when he down played the seriousness of the virus?

Please, educate me

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 minute ago, and then said:

Is that the reason he accepted and implemented every recommendation they gave him?

Also, Fauci, he of the haloed among epidemiologists, had this to say:

https://www.foxnews.com/health/fauci-says-extended-stay-home-orders-could-cause-irreparable-damage

Duncan, your missing the point of this thread, we are talking about a possible mental disorder that the President is suffering from, it has nothing to with the Pandemic. in your opinion do you think he fits the description in the provided link or not?

https://www.helpguide.org/articles/mental-disorders/narcissistic-personality-disorder.htm

Peace Duncan

 

[micahc]

 

[toast]

23 minutes ago, and then said:

Is that the reason he accepted and implemented every recommendation they gave him?

Including a recommendation by "expert" Mike Pence?

Quote

Donald Trump orders governors to allow places of worship to reopen

President declares churches, mosques and synagogues ‘essential services’ but has no authority to order a reopening

The Guardian

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

6 minutes ago, micahc said:

 

That's a great Video and nothing could be more true, thanks for sharing it.

Peace

[spartan max2]

I always felt he was a narcassist. Though I think most politicans are probably pretty narcassistic or sociopathic. 

You have to be a little crazy to do politics.

[+DieChecker]

I voted "Maybe", because he definately displays many if the symptoms, but I dont know to what degree it requires to be a diagnosed, or if there has to be all, or just one, of the symptoms. Just about everyone I know would qualify for one of the symptoms to some degree.

Edit: and I'd be hard pressed to not believe, to some degree, HRC, Prez Bill Clinton, Prez Obama, Pelosi, Schumer, Nadler, Schiff, Cruz, AOC, Rep Omar, and any number of others arent showing nearly the same symptoms. Again, at least to some degree.

Edited May 23, 2020 by DieChecker

[spartan max2]

5 minutes ago, DieChecker said:

I voted "Maybe", because he definately displays many if the symptoms, but I dont know to what degree it requires to be a diagnosed, or if there has to be all, or just one, of the symptoms. Just about everyone I know would qualify for one of the symptoms to some degree.

You can't really diagnose someone unless you know them personally.

But if you are curious,

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In the American Psychiatric Association’s Diagnostic and Statistical Manual of Mental Disorders, Fifth Edition (DSM-5), ^[1] NPD is defined as comprising a pervasive pattern of grandiosity (in fantasy or behavior), a constant need for admiration, and a lack of empathy, beginning by early adulthood and present in a variety of contexts, as indicated by the presence of at least 5 of the following 9 criteria:

• A grandiose sense of self-importance

• A preoccupation with fantasies of unlimited success, power, brilliance, beauty, or ideal love

• A belief that he or she is special and unique and can only be understood by, or should associate with, other special or high-status people or institutions

• A need for excessive admiration

• A sense of entitlement

• Interpersonally exploitive behavior

• A lack of empathy

• Envy of others or a belief that others are envious of him or her

• A demonstration of arrogant and haughty behaviors or attitudes

 

https://www.medscape.com/answers/1519417-101764/what-are-the-dsm-5-diagnostic-criteria-for-narcissistic-personality-disorder-npd

 

Edited May 23, 2020 by spartan max2

[+DieChecker]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Really you can't really diagnose someone unless you know them personally.

But if your curious,

 

https://www.medscape.com/answers/1519417-101764/what-are-the-dsm-5-diagnostic-criteria-for-narcissistic-personality-disorder-npd

 

Probably most Federal Level politicians then....