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Executive order against social media

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RoofGardener
33 minutes ago, Setton said:

Ah, ah, naughty naughty.

You know perfectly well that it wasn't a ban on flights from China, it was a ban on Chinese nationals.

Apparently under some bizarre apprehension that Americans coming back from China couldn't have the virus.

Or he's just stupid.

A fair point. But here's the thing... banning Chinese Americans from re-entering the country would have required an bill in the House (and confirmed in the senate). It would take about 6 months to accomplish that. 

He  tried to do what was possible, in a relevant time-scale.. 

Or do you deny that ? You naughty naughty boy  :)

 

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Setton
24 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

A fair point. But here's the thing... banning Chinese Americans from re-entering the country would have required an bill in the House (and confirmed in the senate). It would take about 6 months to accomplish that. 

He  tried to do what was possible, in a relevant time-scale.. 

Or do you deny that ? You naughty naughty boy  :)

 

He didn't need to ban anyone entering, just enforce a quarantine when they did.

Why didn't he do that, do you think?

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RoofGardener
5 minutes ago, Setton said:

He didn't need to ban anyone entering, just enforce a quarantine when they did.

Why didn't he do that, do you think?

Because the Liberals would have screamed blue bloody murder, and made comparison with the Japanese internment during the Second World War. And his executive order to implement it would have been IMMEDIATELY challenged in a "liberal-friendly" court, and held up for months. 

You know this FULL well @Setton you naughty naughty boy ! 

 

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Gromdor

He could have just shut down flights and not made it about the people at all.......

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Tatetopa
2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

And yet, you made no attempt to refute my point ?  ( that Liberals and The Left accused President Trump of Racism when the tried to implement an early ban on air travel from China ? )

Some liberals and some on the left did for sure.  What didn't stop quickly enough were flights from Europe.  I believe the start of the infection in New York was traced to Europe.  Even then GB was an exception for a time. 

It wasn't racism to stop flights from China as many countries did.  What might be seen as race preference was not stopping flights from Europe and especially Great Britain.  It pretty much negated the efficacy and display of stopping flights from China.

So here we are, you looking for the positive and defending his actions, me saying his actions were a sop to his base and didn't go far enough.  If we has wanted to prevent the spread of covid19 in America, we would have put returning Americans in quarantine too.

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Tatetopa
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Because the Liberals would have screamed blue bloody murder, and made comparison with the Japanese internment during the Second World War. And his executive order to implement it would have been IMMEDIATELY challenged in a "liberal-friendly" court, and held up for months. 

You know this FULL well @Setton you naughty naughty boy ! 

The liberal in your mind might have done that.  You really have no idea what the internment was like if you compare it to a two week quarantine. You might also consider that a good many liberals actually believe in science and would have gone along with it  especially if the CDC and Fauci had endorsed it.  The first resistance to taking any sort of  action to prevent the spread of covid19 came from the conservatives.  If the President and FOX news had not been calling covid19  a Democratic hoax and something that would disappear magically at that point, it could have happened.

The President really couldn't reverse gears then after he has said that the reason to quarantine people was a Hoax.  The stage was set for all that came after.

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Agent0range
3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Because the Liberals would have screamed blue bloody murder, and made comparison with the Japanese internment during the Second World War. And his executive order to implement it would have been IMMEDIATELY challenged in a "liberal-friendly" court, and held up for months. 

You know this FULL well @Setton you naughty naughty boy ! 

 

So Trump didn't do something because he thought it would make liberals mad?  Riiiiiiiigggghhhhtttt....

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Setton
4 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Because the Liberals would have screamed blue bloody murder, and made comparison with the Japanese internment during the Second World War. And his executive order to implement it would have been IMMEDIATELY challenged in a "liberal-friendly" court, and held up for months. 

You know this FULL well @Setton you naughty naughty boy ! 

 

This:

3 hours ago, Gromdor said:

He could have just shut down flights and not made it about the people at all.......

Or this:

1 hour ago, Agent0range said:

So Trump didn't do something because he thought it would make liberals mad?  Riiiiiiiigggghhhhtttt....

Thanks guys, saved me a post before bed :tu:

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RoofGardener
9 hours ago, Setton said:

This:

Or this:

Thanks guys, saved me a post before bed :tu:

Weeeell... he couldn't close down ALL flights, as he had to get American's home. It would be VERY difficult (if not actually impossible) to force foreign airlines to reject all but American passengers, surely ? He would have ended up having to charter American aircraft to get everybody home, which would have been a HUGE logistical challenge. And the Left would accuse him of wasting taxpayers money, and over-reach, and racism. 

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Setton
7 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

Weeeell... he couldn't close down ALL flights, as he had to get American's home. It would be VERY difficult (if not actually impossible) to force foreign airlines to reject all but American passengers, surely ? He would have ended up having to charter American aircraft to get everybody home, which would have been a HUGE logistical challenge. 

And is exactly what plenty of other countries (including the UK) did.

Having done that, those Americans should also have been quarantined. They weren't.

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Manwon Lender

Here is a song that is non-political that describes the current political situation in America and also in many countries around the world. Like I said the Band the Police is not a politically orientated Band and neither is the Lead Singer Sting. :D:tu:

Peace and keep an open mind and listen to the words of this song, I think it will sound very familiar!!:)

Peace and enjoy

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ChrLzs
2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Weeeell... he couldn't close down ALL flights, as he had to get American's home. It would be VERY difficult (if not actually impossible) to force foreign airlines to reject all but American passengers, surely ? He would have ended up having to charter American aircraft to get everybody home, which would have been a HUGE logistical challenge. And the Left would accuse him of wasting taxpayers money, and over-reach, and racism. 

You really thought that through (I'm noticing a pattern)..  No, a lockdown is a lockdown.  You block all flights in and out (just like we did) and yes, strand all the unlucky folks in the other countries and vice versa.  During the changeover, and then again once the lockdown loosens, anyone who wants to return has to go through a full quarantine before being allowed to return to their communities.  Yes, it's tough, but you save tens of thousands of lives.  (Not that that matters in the US apparently...)

No massive charter flight operation is required - the stranded folks are owed a flight home by the airlines (iof they still exist) anyway...

 

And there's racism in there, is there?  :D :D    Obsessed much?

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RoofGardener
4 hours ago, Setton said:

And is exactly what plenty of other countries (including the UK) did.

Having done that, those Americans should also have been quarantined. They weren't.

Huh ? 

We DID ? I thought we where letting EVERYBODY in ? There are quarantine restrictions being introduced on the 8th June ? 

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RoofGardener
1 hour ago, ChrLzs said:

You really thought that through (I'm noticing a pattern)..  No, a lockdown is a lockdown.  You block all flights in and out (just like we did) and yes, strand all the unlucky folks in the other countries and vice versa.  During the changeover, and then again once the lockdown loosens, anyone who wants to return has to go through a full quarantine before being allowed to return to their communities.  Yes, it's tough, but you save tens of thousands of lives.  (Not that that matters in the US apparently...)

No massive charter flight operation is required - the stranded folks are owed a flight home by the airlines (iof they still exist) anyway...

 

And there's racism in there, is there?  :D :D    Obsessed much?

Umm... and who - exactly - pays the hotel bills for those people trapped abroad ? Are you going to have them living on the streets ? 

And there is racism EVERYWHERE. Well, according to the Left, anyway. 

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Golden Duck
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Umm... and who - exactly - pays the hotel bills for those people trapped abroad ? Are you going to have them living on the streets ? 

That's not clear.  But, India, for example, has a ban on all international flights.  Including the charter flights.

Once citizen return home to a mandatory quarantine the accomodation is provided by the government. 

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RoofGardener
3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

That's not clear.  But, India, for example, has a ban on all international flights.  Including the charter flights.

Once citizen return home to a mandatory quarantine the accomodation is provided by the government. 

That's fine, once the citizens GET home. However, if you ban all inbound flights, you are dooming potentially tens of thousands of Americans on holiday in foreign parts to starvation ! 

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Buzz_Light_Year
10 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

That's fine, once the citizens GET home. However, if you ban all inbound flights, you are dooming potentially tens of thousands of Americans on holiday in foreign parts to starvation ! 

Embassies should take care of anyone stranded overseas due to travel restrictions.

Have you seen Americans lately? Shedding a few pounds isn't going to hurt very many. :yes:

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Golden Duck
16 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

That's fine, once the citizens GET home. However, if you ban all inbound flights, you are dooming potentially tens of thousands of Americans on holiday in foreign parts to starvation ! 

You could just suspend ESTA.  All citizens could still get home.  If other nations could work out the the logistics, surely the USA could. 

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RoofGardener

If America is refusing permission for aircraft to travel from abroad, then the ONLY airlines that would be will/able to assist Americans to get home would be US Aircraft. And THEY would require specific charter agreements with the US government. 

It is not as simple as you might think to ban incoming air travel from other countries, but at the same time to get Americans home ! It's not impossible, but it is WAY more complex than you think. 

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Gromdor
1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

If America is refusing permission for aircraft to travel from abroad, then the ONLY airlines that would be will/able to assist Americans to get home would be US Aircraft. And THEY would require specific charter agreements with the US government. 

It is not as simple as you might think to ban incoming air travel from other countries, but at the same time to get Americans home ! It's not impossible, but it is WAY more complex than you think. 

Like I said before, it was returning American tourists that brought Corona virus to my state.  The action Trump took was ineffective and served only to penalize a certain group of people.

Other countries did it, we did not and now we are currently the epicenter of the pandemic.

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Golden Duck
5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

If America is refusing permission for aircraft to travel from abroad, then the ONLY airlines that would be will/able to assist Americans to get home would be US Aircraft. And THEY would require specific charter agreements with the US government. 

It is not as simple as you might think to ban incoming air travel from other countries, but at the same time to get Americans home ! It's not impossible, but it is WAY more complex than you think. 

Suspend the ESTA system and people won't be allowed on a plane.  But, that's not needed if you are using US Airlines. 

Difficult or not, governments have organised charters to get their citizens home.  It can't be done in India atm because of the ban I mentioned earlier.

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Sir Wearer of Hats
On 6/1/2020 at 2:57 AM, Setton said:

He didn't need to ban anyone entering, just enforce a quarantine when they did.

Why didn't he do that, do you think?

Because Americans have proven critically unable to follow instructions like that because “FREEDOM!”?

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Setton
42 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Because Americans have proven critically unable to follow instructions like that because “FREEDOM!”?

I never said to give them a choice...

If they can blind a reporter for doing her job, they can keep a few rednecks busy for a fortnight. Some colourful leaves and an amusingly shaped turnip should do it.

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RoofGardener
16 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Like I said before, it was returning American tourists that brought Corona virus to my state.  The action Trump took was ineffective and served only to penalize a certain group of people.

Other countries did it, we did not and now we are currently the epicenter of the pandemic.

So when Trump asked for a limited restriction on inbound air travel, it was racist and 'over-reach'. But now it is his fault ? 

Yeah... that's consistent. :P 

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RoofGardener
10 hours ago, Setton said:

I never said to give them a choice...

If they can blind a reporter for doing her job, they can keep a few rednecks busy for a fortnight. Some colourful leaves and an amusingly shaped turnip should do it.

I find glass beads to be very effective ? 

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