lightly Posted June 2, 2020 #126 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, RoofGardener said: how would YOU have handled the situation differently to what President Trump has handled it ? You asked Manwon, but I would like to answer if I may. I would have addressed the nation ...asking for Peace to prevail. I would have asked them to refrain from violence. I would have told them that "we" will look into the matter of the use of excessive force, and "we" will make every effort to put an end to it...for all our sakes. (er sumpthin like that) i would have told them that violence is not an answer to violence. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RoofGardener Posted June 2, 2020 #127 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, lightly said: You asked Manwon, but I would like to answer if I may. I would have addressed the nation ...asking for Peace to prevail. I would have asked them to refrain from violence. I would have told them that "we" will look into the matter of the use of excessive force, and "we" will make every effort to put an end to it...for all our sakes. (er sumpthin like that) i would have told them that violence is not an answer to violence. Isn't that kinda what he did ? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted June 2, 2020 #128 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 3 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Isn't that kinda what he did ? Not that I recall. As for the president...I would advise him ...if you are going to clutch a bible in your hands, you might appear more sincere if you hold it right side up, rather than upside down. Edited June 2, 2020 by lightly 1 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 2, 2020 Author #129 Share Posted June 2, 2020 37 minutes ago, RoofGardener said: Hang on a minute... he said that IF the state governors can't contain the violence, then he would consider sending the troops in. "IF" He's got to give them time to prove that they have no control ? Which comments - precisely - has he not followed through on ? Thanks not what he said, go find a video and knock yourself out!!!!!!!! LOL LOL LOL LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 2, 2020 Author #130 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 19 minutes ago, lightly said: You asked Manwon, but I would like to answer if I may. I would have addressed the nation ...asking for Peace to prevail. I would have asked them to refrain from violence. I would have told them that "we" will look into the matter of the use of excessive force, and "we" will make every effort to put an end to it...for all our sakes. (er sumpthin like that) i would have told them that violence is not an answer to violence. This guy is a Spinner, he never offers anything of substance, his only purpose is to stir the pot. Every question he asks, he already has a manufactured response for and he will pull you along so long as you answer him. Don't bother the guy, let him play his games with some one else, you are far above his game. He is just like another individual who posts in these threads, he is most likely compensated for doing what he does, by who I am not certain, but think about who would benefit from it! Peace Edited June 2, 2020 by Manwon Lender 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted June 2, 2020 #131 Share Posted June 2, 2020 15 hours ago, Manwon Lender said: He is using the insurrection Act o 1807 to put American Troops into Washington DC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act Peace Is congress currently in session? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted June 2, 2020 #132 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 hours ago, RoofGardener said: @Manwon Lender, how would YOU have handled the situation differently to what President Trump has handled it ? Like other presidents and world leaders have: You talk with community leaders (as Biden has done twice in the past 2 days), talk with and listen to some of the individual protesters (as Biden has done in the past 2 days), engage with religious and civil leaders and local politicians to identify each area's problem spots and stand with them to announce resolutions to address these problems (as Bush did post Rodney King), and start moving forward with the plans. When you call the grieving family, you don't tell them about your problems -- you listen to what they had to say (like Obama after the Sandy Hook shootings.) You don't talk tough and have protesters pushed off a street so you can walk to a church and hold up a book you never read while standing in several different poses to find the right "look" for the camera. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotic Jew Posted June 2, 2020 #133 Share Posted June 2, 2020 I thought I would be surprised that people were still defending this tyrant...but alas...I am not....We are all doomed. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 2, 2020 #134 Share Posted June 2, 2020 20 minutes ago, Kenemet said: Like other presidents and world leaders have: You talk with community leaders (as Biden has done twice in the past 2 days), talk with and listen to some of the individual protesters (as Biden has done in the past 2 days), engage with religious and civil leaders and local politicians to identify each area's problem spots and stand with them to announce resolutions to address these problems (as Bush did post Rodney King), and start moving forward with the plans. When you call the grieving family, you don't tell them about your problems -- you listen to what they had to say (like Obama after the Sandy Hook shootings.) You don't talk tough and have protesters pushed off a street so you can walk to a church and hold up a book you never read while standing in several different poses to find the right "look" for the camera. you confusing rioters and protesters, there is no talk to looters, and rioters, being tough is the only thing that will work, as far as protesters, there is not nothing to talk about, 4 cops involved were fired, and 1 charged with murder, others will be charged soon as well, more than likely, due process is at work 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted June 2, 2020 #135 Share Posted June 2, 2020 As per usual Crystal and Saagar nail it with common sense and truth. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted June 2, 2020 #136 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 5 minutes ago, aztek said: you confusing rioters and protesters, there is no talk to looters, and rioters, being tough is the only thing that will work, as far as protesters, there is not nothing to talk about, 4 cops involved were fired, and 1 charged with murder, others will be charged soon as well, more than likely, due process is at work I don't disagree with you assessment of this particular incident but the real problem is we know it's only a matter of time before another black man is unjustifiably chocked to death. How many times is someone telling the police I cant breathe going to die? That's what the protests are about, the cops need to change their hearts basically. Edited June 2, 2020 by OverSword 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 2, 2020 #137 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, OverSword said: I don't disagree with you assessment of this incident but the real problem is we know it's only a matter of time before another black man is unjustifiably chocked to death. How many times is someone telling the police I cant breathe going to die? That's what the protests are about, the cops need to change their hearts basically. my problem with this, is that for every 1 black man choked there are prbly (statistically) 2 white guys choked, yet i see no one complains about whites killed by cops, as if killing whites is ok but killing blacks is so much worst, so i don't really care about their so called pain i know police wont change, it is so much bigger than changing some cops hearts. it is gvmnt doctrine, Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted June 2, 2020 #138 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, OverSword said: I don't disagree with you assessment of this incident but the real problem is we know it's only a matter of time before another black man is unjustifiably chocked to death. How many times is someone telling the police I cant breathe going to die? That's what the protests are about, the cops need to change their hearts basically. That still does not explain why there were riots in Phoenix or any other city that has a totally different police department and has not had a recent murder by cop. This incident is being used to incite riots all over and someone needs to find out who is organizing that. 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 2, 2020 #139 Share Posted June 2, 2020 22 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said: That still does not explain why there were riots in Phoenix or any other city that has a totally different police department and has not had a recent murder by cop. This incident is being used to incite riots all over and someone needs to find out who is organizing that. liberals, antifa. it is clear as day by now 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotic Jew Posted June 2, 2020 #140 Share Posted June 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, aztek said: my problem with this, is that for every 1 black man choked there are prbly (statistically) 2 white guys choked, yet i see no one complains about whites killed by cops, as if killing whites is ok but killing blacks is so much worst, so i don't really care about their so called pain i know police wont change, it is so much bigger than changing some cops hearts. it is gvmnt doctrine, This is pure dog whistle rhetoric. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted June 2, 2020 #141 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, aztek said: my problem with this, is that for every 1 black man choked there are prbly (statistically) 2 white guys choked, yet i see no one complains about whites killed by cops, as if killing whites is ok but killing blacks is so much worst, so i don't really care about their so called pain i know police wont change, it is so much bigger than changing some cops hearts. it is gvmnt doctrine, Link please. But regardless the police should not be killing handcuffed and otherwise subdued people period. Edited June 2, 2020 by OverSword 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 2, 2020 #142 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 minute ago, OverSword said: Link please. But regardless the police should not be killing handcuffed and otherwise subdued people period. link to what? stats of death by police broken down into races? sure https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ no they should not, but as long as white deaths are ignored, and blacks make all media headlines, i can't say i care about their cause. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Robotic Jew Posted June 2, 2020 #143 Share Posted June 2, 2020 3 minutes ago, aztek said: link to what? stats of death by police broken down into races? sure https://www.statista.com/statistics/585152/people-shot-to-death-by-us-police-by-race/ no they should not, but as long as white deaths are ignored, and blacks make all media headlines, i can't say i care about their cause. https://www.statista.com/chart/21857/people-killed-in-police-shootings-in-the-us/ Quote A Washington Post analysis has found that black Americans are disproportionately affected by police violence. The data focuses specifically on police shootings and it mainly relies on police reports, news accounts and social media postings. Since the start of 2015, 4,728 people across the country have died in police shootings and approximately half - 2,385 - were white. Out of the remainder, 1,252 were black, 877 were Hispanic and 214 were from other racial groups. The data looks different as a share of the population, however. Black Americans account for less than 13 percent of the population but they are shot and killed by the police at a rate that's over twice as high as for white Americans. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted June 2, 2020 #144 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, aztek said: you confusing rioters and protesters, there is no talk to looters, and rioters, being tough is the only thing that will work, as far as protesters, there is not nothing to talk about, 4 cops involved were fired, and 1 charged with murder, others will be charged soon as well, more than likely, due process is at work No, I'm not confusing the two. Disperse the crowds and the looters can't act. And "nothing to talk about"? There's plenty to talk about (including why it took 4 days to charge a known officer with murder and why the others with him haven't been charged. Fired, yes, but... no charges? Not even "depraved indifference"? That's a lame response from the police department. Floyd was just the tip of the iceberg; the "straw" that broke the camel's back. Problems need to be addressed and some of the culture needs to be fixed, including the over-militarization of the police. Ignoring it or delaying the response isn't going to make the situation less difficult. 2 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted June 2, 2020 #145 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said: That still does not explain why there were riots in Phoenix or any other city that has a totally different police department and has not had a recent murder by cop. This incident is being used to incite riots all over and someone needs to find out who is organizing that. Wasn't much of a riot in Phoenix: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/phoenix-officers-take-a-knee-and-crowd-disperses-at-curfew/ar-BB14TR20 Protest marches aren't riots. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 2, 2020 #146 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 4 minutes ago, Kenemet said: No, I'm not confusing the two. Disperse the crowds and the looters can't act. lmao have you seen tv lately? maybe fb videos, tweeter? i'd post some juicy videos or what your "protesters" do but it will be removed in o time, does not seem like you have a clue of what you talking about, i did not even bother reading the rest of yoru post, you lost me on first line Edited June 2, 2020 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Kenemet Posted June 2, 2020 #147 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, aztek said: lmao have you seen tv lately? maybe fb videos, tweeter? i'd post some juicy videos or what your "protesters" do but it will be removed in o time, does not seem like you have a clue of what you talking about, Not only have I seen tv/fb/twitter lately, I've participated in marches. So, yes, I have some personal experience. 1 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted June 2, 2020 #148 Share Posted June 2, 2020 2 minutes ago, Kenemet said: Not only have I seen tv/fb/twitter lately, I've participated in marches. So, yes, I have some personal experience. so which store did you loot? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted June 2, 2020 #149 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, Kenemet said: Wasn't much of a riot in Phoenix: https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/crime/phoenix-officers-take-a-knee-and-crowd-disperses-at-curfew/ar-BB14TR20 Protest marches aren't riots. I agree protests aren't riots, but then why did the governor install a curfew? Edited June 2, 2020 by Desertrat56 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted June 2, 2020 #150 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, aztek said: liberals, antifa. it is clear as day by now https://thehill.com/policy/technology/500608-twitter-takes-down-fake-antifa-account-linked-to-white-nationalist-group That was today. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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