Popular Post Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Popular Post #1 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) While he didn't openly say it, he has declared Martial Law, this could be the beginning of Trumps grab for power, this could be the end of Democracy in America. Well the President has exactly WHAT HE HAS ALWAYS WANTED, a situation where he can put US troops on the street, now we have to sit back and wait to see how this will end, this is the worst situation I have ever seen in 60 years of life. Peace Edited June 1, 2020 by Manwon Lender 5 1 2 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahc Posted June 1, 2020 #2 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Putin and Trump are getting what they want. 2 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted June 1, 2020 #3 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Isn't it called "martial law"......? 3 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #4 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: Isn't it called "martial law"......? @sci-nerdThanks for watching my back, this situation has got me a little excited!!!!!!! Corrected!!!!!!! Peace Edited June 1, 2020 by Manwon Lender 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahc Posted June 1, 2020 #5 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, sci-nerd said: Isn't it called "martial law"......? almost but civilian law is still in effect, so not quite. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #6 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Just now, micahc said: almost but civilian law is still in effect, so not quite. This will be the first time since 1807, that the US Military will deployed upon US Soil for the purpose of stopping demonstrations in the USA. The President is using the Insurrection Act of 1807 to legally deploy US Troops on American Soil, this is really shocking and who knows where this going! Below is the Insurrection Act of 1807 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #7 Share Posted June 1, 2020 7 minutes ago, micahc said: almost but civilian law is still in effect, so not quite. He is using the insurrection Act o 1807 to put American Troops into Washington DC. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act Peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #8 Share Posted June 1, 2020 11 minutes ago, micahc said: almost but civilian law is still in effect, so not quite. It appears that the Insurrection Act of 1807 can not be implemented outside of the District Of Columbia unless the State Governors give the Federal Government permission to do so. Peace 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahc Posted June 1, 2020 #9 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: It appears that the Insurrection Act of 1807 can not be implemented outside of the District Of Columbia unless the State Governors give the Federal Government permission to do so. Peace the president can call the state national guards into federal service. during the civil rights days of the 60's it happened a few times. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+susieice Posted June 1, 2020 #10 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Good 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted June 1, 2020 #11 Share Posted June 1, 2020 2 minutes ago, susieice said: Good What's the good part? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted June 1, 2020 #12 Share Posted June 1, 2020 30 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: This will be the first time since 1807, that the US Military will deployed upon US Soil for the purpose of stopping demonstrations in the USA. The President is using the Insurrection Act of 1807 to legally deploy US Troops on American Soil, this is really shocking and who knows where this going! Below is the Insurrection Act of 1807 https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act Peace What about the Bonus Army? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #13 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, 19_Kilo said: Your header is gross hyperbole at the very least, and can even be justifiably called patently false. Trump has done nothing near declaring martial law in DC. Rather, he has simply promised to protect the citizenry and take back the city from felonious and violent rioters, nee: terrorists, by mobilizing the military if need be. That's not martial law. This is martial law... Definition of martial law 1: the law applied in occupied territory by the military authority of the occupying power 2: the law administered by military forces that is invoked by a government in an emergency when the civilian law enforcement agencies are unable to maintain public order and safety See? Trump is hardly folding his normal government functions and letting the military take control of them. Which is true martial law. https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/politics/2020/06/01/george-floyd-protests-ag-barr-deploying-riot-teams-dc-miami/5308052002/ This is the law he is using, The Insurrection Act of 1807, but the Governors will not follow his nonsense, attacking peaceful protestors after hiding in the White House Bunker for the 24 hour's is the act of a coward, it doesn't make him look strong, it makes him look like the coward he is. Well he is back in the bunker now, best place for him. https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Insurrection_Act Oh and the way, follower your Leader, do you remember the old saying we all used in the Military's, Lead - Follow - or get the F out of the way, well your leader needs to get out of way, because he isn't a Leader. Peace Edited June 1, 2020 by Manwon Lender 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahc Posted June 1, 2020 #14 Share Posted June 1, 2020 1 minute ago, 19_Kilo said: What would that be, exactly, in your opinion? Putin is trying to destroy America and our allies. He wants chaos in America. He blames us for the protests against him. He has used Russian intel to murder his opponents, and to create conflict within countries including America. He has found Trump a useful and willing idiot. Trump is a sociopath much like Putin. They both have personality disorders. Trump is just so blatantly narcissistic and so in love with money, Putin knows how to play him. Trump is so stupid he doesn't even realize how obvious he is. Big beautiful letters from NK to cover their nuclear program. Putin dangles wealth in front of Trump. Trump even today is putting Putin ahead of our allies. Why does he want him in the G7 so badly? Because Trump tower Moscow is on his mind. I think Trump wants to be one of Putin's oligarchs. I really do. 6 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #15 Share Posted June 1, 2020 5 minutes ago, 19_Kilo said: The first time since 1807? Wrong again, Are you drunk? https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-national-guard-deployments-timeline-htmlstory.html We are not talking about the National Guard, he is threating to use Federal Troops, to may need to pay better attention to what's going on. Oh yea, by the way, name calling only proves you have already lost the conversation, so please carry on, I will stoop to your level. Peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #16 Share Posted June 1, 2020 12 minutes ago, 19_Kilo said: It's happened a dozen times over the past 4 decades. https://www.chicagotribune.com/news/ct-national-guard-deployments-timeline-htmlstory.html You are incorrect, your attention span is weak, he threatening to employ Federal Troops, has that been done over the past four decades? Peace 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahc Posted June 1, 2020 #17 Share Posted June 1, 2020 (edited) 6 minutes ago, 19_Kilo said: All pure opinion with zero proof. Name one thing Putin has done in attempt to destroy the US? Show us a link from any MD psychiatrists that have diagnosed Trump or Putin with mental disorders. How does Putin dangle wealth in front of Trump? And why do this? How bout a link showing plans for Trump Tower in Moscow? And many people want Russia in G7. Why not? In love with money? The communists say that about ALL people in capitalist nations. Every POTUS for the past 50 years has been wealthy. I'll wait for those links. Cheers! If you read the mueller report you would know. Russian intel created fake organizations and profiles trying to organize protesters on both sides of an issue, muslim anti muslim, black, and white supremist, then attempted and in some cases successfully, to protests and counter protests at the same time. Putin is actively attempting to undermine our faith in our institutions, and Trump is the best tool for that. You are not very sharp or in denial. Trump is not normal. Stop pretending he is. Do you know what a personality disorder is? Not many people want Russia in the G7 in fact NONE of them except for Trumpanov the clown. You are clearly not a loyal American. Perhaps you are a Russian. I am blocking you. I block all trumpists. they are sick people. Edited June 1, 2020 by micahc 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #18 Share Posted June 1, 2020 Just now, 19_Kilo said: Uh...The National Guard IS the military. IS federal troops. And why would regular Army or Marines be construed as more pernicious? Last I checked those National Guard guys used real weapons too. LOL Just like Trump your divert attention away from your original comments, so when was the last time Federal Troops were deployed in the US? Oh you don't have to answer, I know it's embarrassing to make comments like you are doing, especially when you know you are wrong! Peace Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 1, 2020 Author #19 Share Posted June 1, 2020 6 minutes ago, 19_Kilo said: All pure opinion with zero proof. Name one thing Putin has done in attempt to destroy the US? Show us a link from any MD psychiatrists that have diagnosed Trump or Putin with mental disorders. How does Putin dangle wealth in front of Trump? And why do this? How bout a link showing plans for Trump Tower in Moscow? And many people want Russia in G7. Why not? In love with money? The communists say that about ALL people in capitalist nations. Every POTUS for the past 50 years has been wealthy. I'll wait for those links. Cheers! I suspect since you have so much faith in your Leader, you should follow his Lead and find a Bunker to hide in!!!!!!!!! Peace 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 2, 2020 Author #20 Share Posted June 2, 2020 38 minutes ago, micahc said: the president can call the state national guards into federal service. during the civil rights days of the 60's it happened a few times. Yes he can, but he can also Deploy Federal Troops from the Military Bases across the country, but only if the state Governors support his foolish actions, which 90% wont, because they don't trust him or his motives either. Peace 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Trelane Posted June 2, 2020 #21 Share Posted June 2, 2020 (edited) There needs to be a differentiation when stating what troops will be employed for enforcing martial law. Is it stating the use of regular Army or National Guard. There may be mention of federalizing the national guard in areas to support curfews in light of the riots in some cities. There has been absolutely no mention of active duty forces being used to enforce anything since the border support missions in the fall of 2018. So as one person who is still active, stop with the fear mongering. Edited June 2, 2020 by Trelane 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahc Posted June 2, 2020 #22 Share Posted June 2, 2020 4 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: Yes he can, but he can also Deploy Federal Troops from the Military Bases across the country, but only if the state Governors support his foolish actions, which 90% wont, because they don't trust him or his motives either. Peace I think only in the most extreme situation, but I will have to look further. Generally the President just takes over command of the National Guard. I linked an article with examples over the years. Ironically its an article discussing Trump's threat to use federal troops in Chicago a few years back. He likes to threaten the use of Troops, I guess to compensate for the fact he was a coward and lied to get out of service. Let me look into it. The Posse Comitatus Act is suppose to restrain the Army, and later the Air Force from domestic law enforcement. The Navy department was never added. But I will look around for any example that the military was used for this purpose. The military can be used for rescues, and disaster relief, as long as its not doing law enforcement. The National Guard is different. They were considered citizen Militia though they are much more lethal and sophisticated now. https://www.latimes.com/politics/la-na-trump-feds-20170210-story.html 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
TigerBright19 Posted June 2, 2020 #23 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just send in the water cannons. Very effective in other countries. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
micahc Posted June 2, 2020 #24 Share Posted June 2, 2020 Just now, Aaron2017 said: Just send in the water cannons. Very effective in other countries. yeah bull connor use to do that during civil rights. in Birmingham AL. terrible imagery. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 2, 2020 #25 Share Posted June 2, 2020 1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said: this is really shocking and who knows where this going! I agree that is is shocking, just for different reasons. I'm curious, Manwon. We currently have about a dozen U.S. cities that are being systematically looted and burned and where the governors are shirking their DUTY to protect their citizens. Hopefully, we can agree on that much. So I ask, how much longer should a U.S. president refrain from HIS DUTY to protect Americans? How many more days and how many more cities would it take before you felt that a president should act to protect Americans in burning cities? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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