thedutchiedutch Posted June 4, 2020 #1 Share Posted June 4, 2020 (edited) Feel free to elaborate below. Edited June 4, 2020 by thedutchiedutch 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
zep73 Posted June 4, 2020 #2 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Life has taught me never to predict a success or a failure. Life loves screwing with us. Let's just see what happens. 5 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted June 4, 2020 #3 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Well, i didnt vote just yet, because while covid and protests have been big fat epic fails for trump he wasnt doing great in general A week or so back i think i gave him over 60% to win in my % thread, but now and as he daily blunders and fails badly, i would give him 45% chance at a win, But i cant say that protests and the virus cost him the election, i would rather say trump being trump will cost him the election, if he doesnt get his act together, tout de suite. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted June 4, 2020 #4 Share Posted June 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, the13bats said: A week or so back i think i gave him over 60% to win in my % thread, but now and as he daily blunders and fails badly, i would give him 45% chance at a win, I think this current circus cost him dearly. I voted yes, but we'll see. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted June 4, 2020 #5 Share Posted June 4, 2020 It should cost him his presidency. But I think there are enough voters in enough of the swing states who support him in general along side his die hard supporters to give him the win. 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 4, 2020 #6 Share Posted June 4, 2020 20 minutes ago, thedutchiedutch said: Feel free to elaborate below. I totally believe that what has happened with the Pandemic and the way he handled the current situation with the deaths and the riots that ensued will have an effect on the coming election. Along with the fact that the last Secratary of Defence General Matis has also spoken out against the President. General Matis is a very well respected man who has a great deal of influence, Trump made a big mistake bad mouthing him, because his credibility is stronger than the Presidents in all the circlesof power in Washington DC. General Matis comments are true and directly to the point, and the President will not, no matter how are he tries to be able to walk those comments back of hide from them. President Trump is loosing credibility every single day, by his own actions, and the worst part if this is the most obvious fact of all, he doesn't even no right from wrong, He proves this daily by his attempts to try and address America as a real President which he has never been from day one of his Presidency, in fact it is clear that he doesn't even know how real a President should act. Like General Matis said President Trump is an embarrassment to the office he holds, and that no other President has acted in the manner this President has during the Pandemic and the Ariosto that have occurred. Peace 7 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted June 4, 2020 #7 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I don't think it will cost him the election. He established the 'axiom' Maduro = Socialist = Democrats a while ago. There's plenty of other boogeymen ready for a Trump epithet. 4 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 4, 2020 #8 Share Posted June 4, 2020 5 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: It should cost him his presidency. But I think there are enough voters in enough of the swing states who support him in general along side his die hard supporters to give him the win. Time will certainly tell, Americans can only hope that for the sake of their country that doesn't happen. Peace 5 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Grim Reaper 6 Posted June 4, 2020 #9 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: I don't think it will cost him the election. He established the 'axiom' Maduro = Socialist = Democrats a while ago. There's plenty of other boogeymen ready for a Trump epithet. Hope you are wrong, for the Americas and the Worlds sake. Peace 8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 4, 2020 #10 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I put no because I already thought Trump was going to lose. I don't think recent events changed anything. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted June 4, 2020 #11 Share Posted June 4, 2020 6 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said: Hope you are wrong, for the Americas and the Worlds sake. Peace Oh, and Biden's a Catholic. So you can scratch him. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted June 4, 2020 #12 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: Oh, and Biden's a Catholic. So you can scratch him. What’s wrong with us Papists? 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Popular Post Tatetopa Posted June 4, 2020 Popular Post #13 Share Posted June 4, 2020 He could have shut down the coronavirus but his ego got in the way. He could have defused the protest with a ten minute speech and a promise to see justice and police oversight. He could have got the economy rolling again if his domination desire had not gotten in the way. Like some of his followers he is easily triggered and distracted. I said this in another thread. Having been a manager of a manufacturing plant, I get tired of an employee who constantly whines, "That's not my job" That's not my responsibility." It was somebody else's fault." I am a victim, here everybody is unfair to me." "I am probably the best employee you ever had." I don't need excuses, just people working together to solve problems. I don't see that from our president. So far, it is not enough to cost him the election in my opinion. But his character is unchanging. If any more issues come up or these get worse rather than being resolved, his lack of leadership will be on display front and center. We have five months to go and the world is not as stable as it was 4 years ago. More can happen and he is not learning from experience. 10 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted June 4, 2020 #14 Share Posted June 4, 2020 I will add that I listened to 4 minutes of Biden's speech today. I have been a Biden detractor, yet he surprised me. He was far more coherent in that 4 minutes than President Trump is in a similar amount of time. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted June 4, 2020 #15 Share Posted June 4, 2020 11 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: What’s wrong with us Papists? The form doesn't stack up for a shot at POTUS. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Piney Posted June 4, 2020 #16 Share Posted June 4, 2020 3 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: The form doesn't stack up for a shot at POTUS. JFK... 34 minutes ago, Golden Duck said: There's plenty of other boogeymen ready for a Trump epithet. Globalist? 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 4, 2020 #17 Share Posted June 4, 2020 19 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: He could have shut down the coronavirus but his ego got in the way. He could have defused the protest with a ten minute speech and a promise to see justice and police oversight. He could have got the economy rolling again if his domination desire had not gotten in the way. Like some of his followers he is easily triggered and distracted. I said this in another thread. Having been a manager of a manufacturing plant, I get tired of an employee who constantly whines, "That's not my job" That's not my responsibility." It was somebody else's fault." I am a victim, here everybody is unfair to me." "I am probably the best employee you ever had." I don't need excuses, just people working together to solve problems. I don't see that from our president. So far, it is not enough to cost him the election in my opinion. But his character is unchanging. If any more issues come up or these get worse rather than being resolved, his lack of leadership will be on display front and center. We have five months to go and the world is not as stable as it was 4 years ago. More can happen and he is not learning from experience. He could have done all those things but he didn’t. And anymore issues that arise will be handled in the same manner as he has to date. Which is to say completely remoulding the situation to his own interpretation of what it should be. Foreign Policy and trade are perfect examples of Trump breaking the rules of the old establishment. Exhausting the system, removing anyone that doesn’t share his vision and the establishment be damned. Half the country loves him for venting their anger. If he loses an election it will be by the smallest of margins. As long as the Republican Party falls in line behind him Trump is odds on to win. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted June 4, 2020 #18 Share Posted June 4, 2020 13 minutes ago, Piney said: JFK... 6 minutes ago, 19_Kilo said: So was JFK. One win from 44 is not a good record. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+and-then Posted June 4, 2020 #19 Share Posted June 4, 2020 40 minutes ago, Tatetopa said: He could have defused the protest with a ten minute speech and a promise to see justice and police oversight. What justifies this statement? Those who are destroying the cities would not be persuaded by ANYTHING he had to say. I call pure political posturing with this one. As to his chances in November, it depends on how long these events keep playing out. Those who are beginning to allow themselves to hope they've finally found something to bring him down might want to review his record of defeating every thing that has come against him. Maybe this will be the shot that takes him down but if it is, that says more about those trying to take him out than it does him. Finally... five months is a lifetime in politics. HRC could explain that to you, if she was asked 3 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted June 4, 2020 #20 Share Posted June 4, 2020 12 minutes ago, and then said: Maybe this will be the shot that takes him down but if it is, that says more about those trying to take him out than it does him. I admire that spin, even if he looses its not his fault, so yeah, it would say a lot about who defeats him. 8 minutes ago, 19_Kilo said: Upvoted for being able to use "toot de suit" in a sentence! It's more fun to say than to type, though. Hey, at least i didnt type "toot sweet" 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
papageorge1 Posted June 4, 2020 #21 Share Posted June 4, 2020 Biden is so unimpressive I can't see him winning or surviving an attack campaign. So by default...... 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Peter B Posted June 4, 2020 #22 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, Tatetopa said: He could have defused the protest with a ten minute speech and a promise to see justice and police oversight. 57 minutes ago, and then said: What justifies this statement? Those who are destroying the cities would not be persuaded by ANYTHING he had to say. I call pure political posturing with this one. Do you mind me asking, what justifies this statement? 57 minutes ago, and then said: Finally... five months is a lifetime in politics. HRC could explain that to you, if she was asked Well, yes, no doubt of that. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Tatetopa Posted June 4, 2020 #23 Share Posted June 4, 2020 1 hour ago, and then said: What justifies this statement? Those who are destroying the cities would not be persuaded by ANYTHING he had to say. I call pure political posturing with this one. Everything starts somewhere andthen. There was room the first day to defuse the situation by taking positive action to fix the injustice that was witnessed by many. The President didn't even need to be the public face. The White House could have called the governor and mayor and offered support and even funding for police accountability, and help with maintaining order. People stew and feed each other's rage over the days that these protests have gone on. In the first few hours, there was shock that this could have happened. Then would have been the time to act before the response to inaction became rage. I didn't say a Democrat could do it either. I guess we could argue if it is political. I think it is more about job performance than party affiliation. It may be consoling for some to believe that a lot of people have unexplained, unjustified, illogical hatred for President Trump no matter what he does. Well a lot of that is rooted in job performance. I don't hate him, just think he is not capable of handling emergencies or putting together a team that can. I did think he did OK for a while there keeping us out of another war. 1 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Sir Wearer of Hats Posted June 4, 2020 #24 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 hours ago, Golden Duck said: The form doesn't stack up for a shot at POTUS. Lee Harvey Oswald took a shot at a Catholic Presidency. 2 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted June 4, 2020 #25 Share Posted June 4, 2020 2 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said: Lee Harvey Oswald took a shot at a Catholic Presidency. Too soon? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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