Helen of Annoy Posted June 5, 2020 #76 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, kobolds said: if trump know he is going to loss. I'm more afraid what he will do. even with only 30% supporter , with putin and GOP support , he can take control and proclaim himself as next president I believe he will try to seize power through more or less imaginary state of emergency or some such crap, and that's why I also believe he will have to be removed by the military. Or the transformation of the US into banana republic will be complete and it will result in collapse of the federation, with all the apocalypse that goes with such processes. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
spartan max2 Posted June 5, 2020 #77 Share Posted June 5, 2020 14 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: I believe he will try to seize power through more or less imaginary state of emergency or some such crap, and that's why I also believe he will have to be removed by the military. Or the transformation of the US into banana republic will be complete and it will result in collapse of the federation, with all the apocalypse that goes with such processes. I empathize that with your life expierences you feel that way. But I can honestly assure you that in the U.S it does not work that way. No one would stand for it. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
SHaYap Posted June 5, 2020 #78 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 16 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: I believe he will try to seize power through more or less imaginary state of emergency or some such crap, and that's why I also believe he will have to be removed by the military. Or the transformation of the US into banana republic will be complete and it will result in collapse of the federation, with all the apocalypse that goes with such processes. He's already fenced and walled up the White House, with a little landscaping and a new moat around it, and a nine hole golf course, he can stay bunkered up on a par four hole for months. ~ Edited June 5, 2020 by third_eye Stoopid android predictive text 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
kobolds Posted June 5, 2020 #79 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) I really think GOP should not back trump for 2nd term. the virus and the economy will continue going worse next year . what will happen when things not getting better but worse and the person who got us in this mess make it worse. can you imaging what will people do? today you see peaceful protest , next year .... it's good idea to start upgrading bunker cause you may need to stay there for long time Edited June 5, 2020 by kobolds 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #80 Share Posted June 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Raptor Witness said: Trump believes that any sort of press attention is better than none. “Succès de scandale!” It’s an old proverb, with many variations. One variation is associated with PT Barnum but there’s no real evidence. 16 hours ago, thedutchiedutch said: True but you can fool some people some times but you cant fool all the people all the time. (Bob Marley "Get up, stand up") This was also accredited to Barnum, but there are other possibilities. It could have been Abraham Lincoln, Jaccues Abbadie, or Denis Diderot. All had variations. Interesting that Barnum is tied to both as Trump is a showman. But also, Trump finds himself in a similar situation as Lincoln. And as Lincoln struggled, Trump hasn’t found his Grant yet. It might be Barr?? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted June 5, 2020 #81 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, spartan max2 said: I empathize that with your life expierences you feel that way. But I can honestly assure you that in the U.S it does not work that way. No one would stand for it. Before Trump, I'd simply agree with you on that. But you've got Trump instead of a president. Trump. If America was still working in American way that would be impossible. Especially after the "Russia, if you're listening" episode. So I expect other impossibilities to happen too. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted June 5, 2020 #82 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, third_eye said: He's already fenced and walled up the White House, with a little landscaping and a new moat around it, and a nine hole golf course, he can stay bunkered up on a par four hole for months. ~ I hope the extraction will be televised, live Of course, his sect will claim it was faked, just like Moon landing and such, but I really, really look forward to see it. I still remember the Ceausescu broadcast, like it was yesterday. What rating it had 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #83 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: Especially after the "Russia, if you're listening" episode. So I expect other impossibilities to happen too. I can’t believe after all this time that there are people that still do not know what sarcasm is? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted June 5, 2020 #84 Share Posted June 5, 2020 7 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: I can’t believe after all this time that there are people that still do not know what sarcasm is? Trump can't recognize or use sarcasm successfully. Neither of the two possible reasons for that particular issue sound like such person should be trusted with leading a choir, let alone a country. It's also ridiculous to claim he was sarcastic when he asked for further Russian meddling in the US matters, since he requested that further meddling based on his satisfaction with their meddling so far. Whole world knows. The more you deny, the worse opinion of your intelligence we've got. You can't gaslight the entire planet, only your increasingly cornered sect. 6 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #85 Share Posted June 5, 2020 3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: Trump can't recognize or use sarcasm successfully. Neither of the two possible reasons for that particular issue sound like such person should be trusted with leading a choir, let alone a country. Really? I’d say he’s used it very successfully. He nailed everyone on the Left with their hypocrisy. He’s already proved he can lead a country. I suppose you think that the gaff machine is more capable? If he should get in, his handlers won’t even let him get near the helm and if it gets too difficult to control, the VP will evoke the 25th Amendment. Then we’ll have Obama 3.0. I can’t wait for the debates. It's also ridiculous to claim he was sarcastic when he asked for further Russian meddling in the US matters, since he requested that further meddling based on his satisfaction with their meddling so far. Where do you think the term “fake news” came from? The MSM was being fed by Brenan, Comey, and who knows who else that he was a Russian agent based on a manufactured document. They thought that the media would be able to bring him down in a soft coup. They failed and their ineptness is now on parade. Heads will roll. Trump gave them both barrels of sarcasm and he’s had them jumping through hoops ever since. The Left is clueless as to what sarcasm is. Every time the Left throws up a roadblock, Trump usually ends up on top and the nation follows. It’s like Kirk pulling the Enterprise out of the Tholian Web, time and time again. Whole world knows. The more you deny, the worse opinion of your intelligence we've got. You can't gaslight the entire planet, only your increasingly cornered sect. Why should I deny the whole world knows? Everybody knows. The battle lines are already drawn. The globalists vs the world of the free market. Trump has pulled a page from Alinsky. He has isolated the Left and continues to squeeze. Pelosi and the MSM anchors are close to losing it. I think some have. You saw the Joker and the Penguin walk the articles of impeachment over to the Senate w/ Darth Vader’s theme?? At least my intelligence started above the mud. The only gaslighting is coming from you and the Left and always has. This covert coup attempt has been coordinated from the very beginning. The Left are now so desperate, that it will become more overt. I think it already has as we see “special deliveries” of bricks appear in the riot zones. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Helen of Annoy Posted June 5, 2020 #86 Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: Where do you think the term “fake news” came from? Third Reich. Trump is using translated term Lügenpresse, because he hasn't had an original thought in his entire life, just like the wannabe Nazis around him. You know what's the most hilarious about it? If we were to cleanse the race, they, so physically and mentally half to fully disabled, they'd be the first to go through the chimney. To use the vocabulary you seem to appreciate. Also, could we keep calling Jews Jews? Because these newfangled globalists just don't sound so... juicy. The only comforting thing about trumpers' grotesque imitation of Nazism is that Adolf would be spinning in his grave like a helicopter rotor. If he had a grave, that is. One day a totalitarian dictator, the other a heap of charred bones, crushed and thrown in unspecified river... not completely stupid people would learn from that. But I digress. 3 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #87 Share Posted June 5, 2020 17 hours ago, Raptor Witness said: It was obvious who he was, long before he even ran for President. No, it wasn’t obvious before he even ran. He appeared to be just another wealthy NY businessman/playboy. But now his real persona has been revealed. We have finally got a good capable leader (I didn’t say perfect) that really loves this country. He is now under attack, by my Father in Heaven, along with the nation he leads. Both will now be destroyed. He has been under attack from the beginning and he’s weathered it well. A tough leader in tough times for a tough nation. Someday, this nation will cease to exist, like all great nations. But that day is not now or anytime soon. Just last night, I ran across this video of a talk by Eric Cline. He wrote a book called “1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed”. Very interesting. We usually just think of the fall of the Roman Empire as when civilization collapsed. But this book kind of opens it up that this happens from time to time. It explains why most of the ancient civilizations died out. I would think that after such events, end-of-world prophecies abound. In 1000 AD, the EoW predictions ravaged Europe. So yes, Empires come and go. It is just normal evolution, not apocalyptical. Our future is very bright right now. The last I heard, the market has gained almost 2000 points this week. That is a nice leading indicator. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jarocal Posted June 5, 2020 #88 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 46 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: this video of a talk by Eric Cline. He wrote a book called “1177 BC: The Year Civilization Collapsed”. Very interesting. We usually just think of the fall of the Roman Empire as when civilization collapsed. But this book kind of opens it up that this happens from time to time. It explains why most of the ancient civilizations died out. If you do a forum search in the ancient mysteries section the author participated in a discussion about his book/that topic. I actually have a paper bound and audiobook version of that title. It was a rather interesting read. @Hanslune is the member who started th thread and invited the author to participate if memory serves. Edited June 5, 2020 by Jarocal 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #89 Share Posted June 5, 2020 30 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said: Third Reich. Trump is using translated term Lügenpresse, because he hasn't had an original thought in his entire life, just like the wannabe Nazis around him. Trump may be using a translated term, but it is the MSM that is using the technique. It is an old trick in the Left’s toolbox. You know what's the most hilarious about it? If we were to cleanse the race, they, so physically and mentally half to fully disabled, they'd be the first to go through the chimney. To use the vocabulary you seem to appreciate. Nope, that’s not Trump’s vocabulary and neither is it mine. You seem to be pushing the Hitler-like terminology. The Left is the only group that worries about cleansing. They are chopping at the bit to put free thinkers (Deplorables) in reeducation camps. Also, could we keep calling Jews Jews? Because these newfangled globalists just don't sound so... juicy. Say what? No doubt that there are Jews that are globalists but not all Jews are. Not even most. Globalists are Socialists, the Left, all those that seek state control over the means of production and people’s lives. So you are trying to blame the Jews for all the world’s problems? Uhmmm? Who else shared that belief? The only comforting thing about trumpers' grotesque imitation of Nazism is that Adolf would be spinning in his grave like a helicopter rotor. If he had a grave, that is. One day a totalitarian dictator, the other a heap of charred bones, crushed and thrown in unspecified river... not completely stupid people would learn from that. But I digress. You have trouble telling what sarcasm is. You have problems discerning character. You have trouble with compare and contrast. You don’t know which one is for what. Yes, your whole argument is digressable. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Golden Duck Posted June 5, 2020 #90 Share Posted June 5, 2020 6 hours ago, RoofGardener said: Yeah. And King of Canada to boot ! I'm sure the Queen of Australia will have something to say about that. 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 5, 2020 #91 Share Posted June 5, 2020 On 6/4/2020 at 3:05 AM, thedutchiedutch said: Feel free to elaborate below. Well at the moment 55% say it wont cost him the election and 20% dont know. I have to say that Trump is the best US President I have seen during my time on Earth, so I voted too that it wont cost him the election. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 5, 2020 #92 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 hour ago, Helen of Annoy said: Third Reich. Trump is using translated term Lügenpresse, because he hasn't had an original thought in his entire life, just like the wannabe Nazis around him. You know what's the most hilarious about it? If we were to cleanse the race, they, so physically and mentally half to fully disabled, they'd be the first to go through the chimney. To use the vocabulary you seem to appreciate. Also, could we keep calling Jews Jews? Because these newfangled globalists just don't sound so... juicy. The only comforting thing about trumpers' grotesque imitation of Nazism is that Adolf would be spinning in his grave like a helicopter rotor. If he had a grave, that is. One day a totalitarian dictator, the other a heap of charred bones, crushed and thrown in unspecified river... not completely stupid people would learn from that. But I digress. Name we one thing, just one, that Trump has done which is comparable to Hitler? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #93 Share Posted June 5, 2020 2 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: I have to say that Trump is the best US President I have seen during my time on Earth, so I voted too that it wont cost him the election. Seems like the darker the situation, the bigger Trump wins. And the Left keeps adding to his wins. Of course, they aren’t intentionally trying but they can’t help themselves. The outcome is a win-win for this nation. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
DarkHunter Posted June 5, 2020 #94 Share Posted June 5, 2020 5 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said: He said, loud and clear... well, as clear as he can, in his slurring fashion... that NATO is obsolete. But you never go into why Trump said NATO was obsolete, guess mentioning how only 5 out of the 28 countries meet the 2% GDP spending goal on defense at that time wouldnt help your argument unless you just want America, UK, Poland, Greece, and Estonia defend Europe while the rest of NATO get a free ride. At least now Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania, and Latvia also spend atleast 2% GDP on defense bring it up to 9 out of 28 countries. 5 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said: Ukraine was given lethal weapons under condition they don't use it. That statement just isnt true. While the American made Javelin is to be stored in western Ukraine, especially while the Ukrainian military is being trained in its use, there have been other weapons sent to Ukraine that are being used. The best example being the PSRL-1, essentially an American made upgraded RPG-7, that was specifically made for arming Ukraine and can fire its newly designed warhead which generally has better range, accuracy, and penetration or firing older RPG-7 warheads which Ukraine has a decent stockpile of. Before someone tries to point it out while certain RPG-7 warheads have better penetration like the RPG-7's PG-7VR warhead which can penetrate between 600 mm and 750 mm RHA compared to the 500 mm RHA the new PSRL-1's SR-H1 warhead can penetrate the range of the PG-7VR warhead only has an effective range of 100 meters while the SR-H1 warhead has an effective range of 500 meters. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 5, 2020 #95 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, DarkHunter said: But you never go into why Trump said NATO was obsolete, guess mentioning how only 5 out of the 28 countries meet the 2% GDP spending goal on defense at that time wouldnt help your argument unless you just want America, UK, Poland, Greece, and Estonia defend Europe while the rest of NATO get a free ride. At least now Bulgaria, Romania, Lithuania, and Latvia also spend atleast 2% GDP on defense bring it up to 9 out of 28 countries. That statement just isnt true. While the American made Javelin is to be stored in western Ukraine, especially while the Ukrainian military is being trained in its use, there have been other weapons sent to Ukraine that are being used. The best example being the PSRL-1, essentially an American made upgraded RPG-7, that was specifically made for arming Ukraine and can fire its newly designed warhead which generally has better range, accuracy, and penetration or firing older RPG-7 warheads which Ukraine has a decent stockpile of. Before someone tries to point it out while certain RPG-7 warheads have better penetration like the RPG-7's PG-7VR warhead which can penetrate between 600 mm and 750 mm RHA compared to the 500 mm RHA the new PSRL-1's SR-H1 warhead can penetrate the range of the PG-7VR warhead only has an effective range of 100 meters while the SR-H1 warhead has an effective range of 500 meters. @Helen of Annoyramblings arent to be taken serious. She lives in paranoia of Russia, and the far-right, due to them both trampling over her area of the world. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 5, 2020 #96 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 7 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: Seems like the darker the situation, the bigger Trump wins. And the Left keeps adding to his wins. Of course, they aren’t intentionally trying but they can’t help themselves. The outcome is a win-win for this nation. The left took the US too far to the left, a correction was long overdue and its not complete yet so he will win his 2nd term. If he holds a referendum on the 2 term limit he might well get elected again, and again. Edited June 5, 2020 by Cookie Monster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 5, 2020 #97 Share Posted June 5, 2020 Whats wrong with Biden? I just watched one of his speeches. He seems to have no passion, no drive, and he sounds a little slow to me. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #98 Share Posted June 5, 2020 1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said: The left took the US too far to the left, a correction was long overdue and its not complete yet so he will win his 2nd term. Trump is the correction, but Obama and his minions are still out there. We need to swing it back to the right to eradicate that persistence. But this is where we need to be careful. We have to watch that turn to the Right doesn’t go too far or we end up with the same thing. We need to ensure that the people get relief from the Left extreme so that they have the room to become prosperous. And we don’t’ want to ruin it with the extreme Right. But this is the thing, Obama took us so far Left that we have a long way to go to the Right. We might not notice if we cross over to the extreme. Caution is advised. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted June 5, 2020 #99 Share Posted June 5, 2020 (edited) 17 minutes ago, RavenHawk said: Trump is the correction, but Obama and his minions are still out there. We need to swing it back to the right to eradicate that persistence. But this is where we need to be careful. We have to watch that turn to the Right doesn’t go too far or we end up with the same thing. We need to ensure that the people get relief from the Left extreme so that they have the room to become prosperous. And we don’t’ want to ruin it with the extreme Right. But this is the thing, Obama took us so far Left that we have a long way to go to the Right. We might not notice if we cross over to the extreme. Caution is advised. Thats why it swings back and forth between left and right. Down the centre is best, but when each party looses control over itself if goes off into the extremes. Extreme immigration, extreme socialism, extreme taxes, etc. Edited June 5, 2020 by Cookie Monster 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
RavenHawk Posted June 5, 2020 #100 Share Posted June 5, 2020 37 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: Thats why it swings back and forth between left and right. Down the centre is best, but when each party looses control over itself if goes off into the extremes. Extreme immigration, extreme socialism, extreme taxes, etc. Originally, the two parties were not that far apart. but starting in the 20th Century, Socialism tried to attach itself to the Republican party, but it died on the vine. It quickly moved to the Democratic party where it flourished and as time went on, the gulf between the parties grew. We need to get the Parties back to where they were. We can do that by controlling the wave properties of the pendulum. How do we prevent the pendulum from making wild swings? 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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