Unusual Tournament Posted June 21, 2020 #151 Share Posted June 21, 2020 29 minutes ago, Hanslune said: Recommend this thread be closed and cleansed I think what you meant to say was lensed, cleansed and closed. The order you have the procedure in just wouldn't make sense. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
cormac mac airt Posted June 21, 2020 #152 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) 38 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: Yeah i see your point. But lets not forget the airforce have access to all sorts of u-beaut equipment to see through ice and what not. Im sure Commander Ohymeyer did a thorough job before signing off on it. Let’s not forget you don’t know WHAT information Ohlmeyer had access to. Also to his claim: Quote The geographical detail shown in the lower part of the map agrees very remarkably with the results of the Seismic profile made across the top of the ice cap by the Swedish-British-Norwegian Antarctic Expedition of 1949. It should be pointed out that “the top of the ice cap” DOES NOT correspond to the subglacial topography and Ohlmeyer either doesn’t know or conveniently ignores what is written ON the Piri Reis map itself which runs counter to any claim of it being a part of Antarctica. The Colonel gets an “F” for his research capabilities. cormac Edited June 21, 2020 by cormac mac airt 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 21, 2020 #153 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 hours ago, cormac mac airt said: Let’s not forget you don’t know WHAT information Ohlmeyer had access to. Also to his claim: It should be pointed out that “the top of the ice cap” DOES NOT correspond to the subglacial topography and Ohlmeyer either doesn’t know or conveniently ignores what is written ON the Piri Reis map itself which runs counter to any claim of it being a part of Antarctica. The Colonel gets an “F” for his research capabilities. cormac Well you're entitled to your opinion mate. I would like to add something more to this very interesting topic. Did you know that Antartica was only "discovered" in 1818? Yeah i know thats kinda surreal isn't it? Just to remind the readers that the Piri Reis map (Greek and Ptolemaic Greek) showed the Antartica land mass in 1513 AD. Scratch your heads all you like its still a fact. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 21, 2020 #154 Share Posted June 21, 2020 @Swede come on down! Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 21, 2020 #155 Share Posted June 21, 2020 If Antarctica were ice free in 1513, Emperor penguins would not have existed as they would have gone extinct when the ice melted at some point before then. Penguin evolution has continued over the last 60 million years, Emperor penguin evolution over the last 40 million years, and the present Emperors have been around for the last 3 million years. Even if Antarctica froze in one year so that an unspecified penguin then evolved into the Emperor, it's impossible for such a specialized animal to evolve in a mere 500 years. So, where were the Emperors 500 years ago and how could they survive in an environment and ecology that was inimical to them. What did they eat, as an ice free Antarctica would mean that temperatures had risen so high that they would probably have become extinct. If the krill have gone, this has a profound effect up the food chain to Baleen whales, taking in seals and penguins along the way. So in an ice free Antarctica it's not just Emperor penguins that cannot survive, it's also the Blue whale, amongst others, or perhaps Baleen whales evolved only in the last 500 years, or maybe there was no ice free Antarctica. If Antarctica had been ice free in 1513, what global event then lowered temperatures to such an extent that it was covered in ice by the 18th Century, meaning that life dependant on the ice sheets and krill needed to evolve in less than 300 hundred years. What record is there, in any form, of such a drop in temperatures, let alone an impossible speed of evolution. Facts have an inconvenient habit of getting in the way of fantasy. 2020 paper on a warming ocean's impact on krill Goodbye krill and life dependant on them? 1 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 21, 2020 #156 Share Posted June 21, 2020 The point you've missed is that even though the map was drawn in 1513 AD the maps used to make the Piri Reis map were thousands of years older. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 21, 2020 #157 Share Posted June 21, 2020 (edited) So, not even an attempt to address the science, why would that be..... There is no evidence that the Piri Reis map is based on earlier maps, it's just you saying it is. Yet even if it were, according to you it still shows an ice free Antarctica 500 years ago, and all the points I raised are still valid. All those animals dependant on an ice covered Antarctica could not have been alive 500 years ago, and could not have evolved in the time period between the Piri Reis map and the 18th Century. Address those points. And your is really addressed to the universities of Bath and Tasmania. Edited June 21, 2020 by Wepwawet 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 21, 2020 #158 Share Posted June 21, 2020 18 minutes ago, Wepwawet said: So, not even an attempt to address the science, why would that be..... There is no evidence that the Piri Reis map is based on earlier maps, it's just you saying it is. Yet even if it were, according to you it still shows an ice free Antarctica 500 years ago, and all the points I raised are still valid. All those animals dependant on an ice covered Antarctica could not have been alive 500 years ago, and could not have evolved in the time period between the Piri Reis map and the 18th Century. Address those points. And your is really addressed to the universities of Bath and Tasmania. What science? Penguins are adaptive animals. Species have the capacity to evolve and adapt. Penguins don't always live in ice. You can find penguins in ice free areas. I can think of heaps of reasons why researchers would say that and global warming the very first. Have you even read anything that I've written? the maps that the Piri Reis map is based on is thousands of years old. You really should take that into consideration. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 21, 2020 #159 Share Posted June 21, 2020 Penguins don't live at the South Pole, and more polar myths debunked We're setting the record straight on which cold-dwelling creature lives where. https://www.nationalgeographic.com/animals/reference/arctic-antarctica-wildlife-myths-explained/ Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Windowpane Posted June 21, 2020 #160 Share Posted June 21, 2020 28 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: ... the maps that the Piri Reis map is based on is thousands of years old. You really should take that into consideration. Heinrich explains that there exists: Quote ... an abundance of evidence that Antarctica was last completely ice-free over 14 million years ago. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Unusual Tournament Posted June 21, 2020 #161 Share Posted June 21, 2020 3 minutes ago, Windowpane said: Heinrich explains that there exists: Thats an opinon. But you're more than welcomed to explain how how the ancients knew of Antartica if you don't what to talk about how it was maped ice free. There is also the issue of other land marks on the Piri Peis map such as the Andes mountain range and even the equator. Theres tons of things but i don't want to inundate you for now. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Wepwawet Posted June 21, 2020 #162 Share Posted June 21, 2020 2 minutes ago, Captain Risky said: What science? Penguins are adaptive animals. Species have the capacity to evolve and adapt. Penguins don't always live in ice. You can find penguins in ice free areas. I can think of heaps of reasons why researchers would say that and global warming the very first. Have you even read anything that I've written? the maps that the Piri Reis map is based on is thousands of years old. You really should take that into consideration. You have not written anything substantial for me to read, and as I've said, I have no interest in this debate about the USAF. Can you explain how the animals alive today dependant on an ice covered Antarctic could have survived 500 and more years ago. Animals evolve to fit their ecology and environment, so todays Antarctic animals could only have survived 500 years ago if they were suited, by evolution, to an ice free Antarctica. It's not relevant how long Antarctica was "ice free" before the Piri Reis map, and neither is the existance of other species of peguins further north not so dependant on an ice covered Antarctica, but the progress of evolution is relevant. All life has the ability to evolve and adapt, that's why we have what we have today, but evolution is slow, and advanced and highly specialised animals such as Emperor penguins cannot evolve in a few hundred years. What happens is that if a species evolution cannot keep up with changes in it's ecology and environment, and a few hundred years is far too short a period for higher life forms as it needs millions of years, then that species becomes extinct, not evolve into something else. If the Antarctic were "ice free" 500 years ago, where did these highly specialised Emperor penguins, and the other animals in their ecology, sudenly come from in a few hundred years. It's you that's stating that the Antarctic was "ice free" 500 years ago, so it's up to you to explain how the ecology and enivironment we see today emerged in a mere few hundred years. I suspect that you never gave any thought to the wider implications of an "ice free" Antarctica 500 years ago, hence your attempts to put me off. Don't bother as I know your game, but I do want to press you for a proper answer to these questions, that you are avoiding with distraction and bizzarre comments such as "What science?" when the science has been presented, unless you know better than the universities of Bath and Tasmania, and of course it's academia in general, and not least common sense. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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