Forget 2012, is the Mayan doomsday this year?

[DirtyDocMartens]

Let’s just get it over with already. Sheesh.

[SHaYap]

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[stereologist]

OK. Here is the stupidity:

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"Following the Julian Calendar, we are technically in 2012..." he wrote. "The number of days lost in a year due to the shift into Gregorian Calendar is 11 days... For 268 years using the Gregorian Calendar (1752-2020) times 11 days = 2,948 days. 2,948 days / 365 days (per year) = 8 years."
 

That's just plain stupid. Let's see what is the real issue.

The year is 365.24 days long. That's super close to 365 1/4. The Julian calendar does that. It adds a day every 4 years. Why? because 1/4 times 4 is 1. Got i t?

So we add a day every 4 years. It  used to be at the end of the calendar making life simple. Now we changed the calendar to make February not the end of the calendar but early on.

Lets check that out again. It's 365.24, not 265.25. After 100 years we add 100/4 or 25 days, but .24 times 100 is 24, not 25. But my numbers are not quite correct. Because the rule of not making every year divisible by 100 not a leap year requires every year divisible by 400 to be a leap year. Remember that 2000 was a leap year but 1900 was not and 2100 will not be a leap year.

By 1582 there were 15 extra leap days, but 400, 800, 1200 should have been so that 12 days off and 11 days were added to the calendar to get things to jive the calendar with Earth's position around the Sun.

Now look at  the quote above. This muttonhead wants to add 11 days a year. No reason given. That muttonhead doesn't know anything about calendars.

[stereologist]

Another dumb thing about the issue is that the Mayans were counting days, not years. All of their calendars counted days.

[Unusual Tournament]

On 6/20/2020 at 12:37 PM, stereologist said:

Another dumb thing about the issue is that the Mayans were counting days, not years. All of their calendars counted days.

The Haab cycle is 365 days, and approximates the solar year. The Haab is a nineteen month calendar. The Haab is composed of 18 months made of 20 days, and one month, made of 5 days. This 5-day month is called "Wayeb." Thus, 18 x 20 + 5 = 365 days. This image shows the hieroglyphs corresponding to the nineteen months of the Haab calendar. The Maya represented some of these months using more than one glyph. These glyphs are referred to as "variants." Variants of the same glyph are framed in a turquoise background.

https://maya.nmai.si.edu/calendar/calendar-system

[Unusual Tournament]

The Maya farmers of the Yucatan conduct offerings and ceremonies on the same months every year, following a 365-day Haab cycle. These ceremonies are called Sac Ha’, Cha’a Chac and Wajikol. The Maya in the highlands of Guatemala perform special ceremonies and rituals during the Haab month of Wayeb, the short month of five days.

 

[Unusual Tournament]

On 6/20/2020 at 12:35 PM, stereologist said:

OK. Here is the stupidity:

That's just plain stupid. Let's see what is the real issue.

The year is 365.24 days long. That's super close to 365 1/4. The Julian calendar does that. It adds a day every 4 years. Why? because 1/4 times 4 is 1. Got i t?

So we add a day every 4 years. It  used to be at the end of the calendar making life simple. Now we changed the calendar to make February not the end of the calendar but early on.

Lets check that out again. It's 365.24, not 265.25. After 100 years we add 100/4 or 25 days, but .24 times 100 is 24, not 25. But my numbers are not quite correct. Because the rule of not making every year divisible by 100 not a leap year requires every year divisible by 400 to be a leap year. Remember that 2000 was a leap year but 1900 was not and 2100 will not be a leap year.

By 1582 there were 15 extra leap days, but 400, 800, 1200 should have been so that 12 days off and 11 days were added to the calendar to get things to jive the calendar with Earth's position around the Sun.

Now look at  the quote above. This muttonhead wants to add 11 days a year. No reason given. That muttonhead doesn't know anything about calendars.

Any historical or mythical event spanning more than 52 years required the ancient Maya to use an additional calendar, the Long Count. The Long Count calendar is a system that counts 5 cycles of time. This is very similar to the Gregorian calendar system that counts days, months, years, centuries and millennia. The Maya system also does this, but the difference is in the name and magnitude of the various cycles. Like Maya mathematics, the Long Count calendar system counts by 20s. The exception is in the third cycle, because 18 x 20, which equals 360, more closely approximates a Haab cycle or solar cycle of 365 days, rather than multiplying 20 x 20, which equals 400.

[stereologist]

6 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Any historical or mythical event spanning more than 52 years required the ancient Maya to use an additional calendar, the Long Count. The Long Count calendar is a system that counts 5 cycles of time. This is very similar to the Gregorian calendar system that counts days, months, years, centuries and millennia. The Maya system also does this, but the difference is in the name and magnitude of the various cycles. Like Maya mathematics, the Long Count calendar system counts by 20s. The exception is in the third cycle, because 18 x 20, which equals 360, more closely approximates a Haab cycle or solar cycle of 365 days, rather than multiplying 20 x 20, which equals 400.

Not sure what you are talking about. The goal of the Gregorian calendar is to match the movements of the Earth around the Sun. The Long Count does not. The two are not similar at all.

[stereologist]

6 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

The Haab cycle is 365 days, and approximates the solar year. The Haab is a nineteen month calendar. The Haab is composed of 18 months made of 20 days, and one month, made of 5 days. This 5-day month is called "Wayeb." Thus, 18 x 20 + 5 = 365 days. This image shows the hieroglyphs corresponding to the nineteen months of the Haab calendar. The Maya represented some of these months using more than one glyph. These glyphs are referred to as "variants." Variants of the same glyph are framed in a turquoise background.

https://maya.nmai.si.edu/calendar/calendar-system

Right. So the Mayans counted days. Other systems count lunar cycles or solar cycles.

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On 6/21/2020 at 11:31 PM, stereologist said:

Right. So the Mayans counted days. Other systems count lunar cycles or solar cycles.

They also countered solar years. 365 days a year. Just saying.

[stereologist]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

They also countered solar years. 365 days a year. Just saying.

Wrong.

[Unusual Tournament]

On 6/25/2020 at 11:01 PM, stereologist said:

Wrong.

365 day cycle is a calendar year. Its a year. They counted years. 

[Hazzard]

The world will be just fine..... Now, mankind, thats another story.

[stereologist]

On 6/28/2020 at 2:14 AM, Captain Risky said:

365 day cycle is a calendar year. Its a year. They counted years. 

They always counted days. They never counted anything but days in any of their calendars.

You've even proved it. Thanks for showing how foolish you are by posting that you can't read and comprehend even the simplest of ideas.

[Unusual Tournament]

19 minutes ago, stereologist said:

They always counted days. They never counted anything but days in any of their calendars.

You've even proved it. Thanks for showing how foolish you are by posting that you can't read and comprehend even the simplest of ideas.

I thought you liked posts first before you criticise them? LOL

[stereologist]

The Mayans counted days in al of their calendars.

[Emma_Acid]

A yes, another story talking about the "Mayan calendar" and showing a picture of an Aztec sun stone. Different peoples, different regions, different times. But hey, they're all brown and mystical right?

[Emma_Acid]

On 6/25/2020 at 11:15 AM, Captain Risky said:

They also countered solar years. 365 days a year. Just saying.

A "Tun" was 360 days, roughly reflecting the length of a year. But they counted groups of days, not years.

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1 minute ago, Emma_Acid said:

A "Tun" was 360 days, roughly reflecting the length of a year. But they counted groups of days, not years.

So what practical reason would they use a ‘tun’ ?

[Emma_Acid]

1 minute ago, Captain Risky said:

So what practical reason would they use a ‘tun’ ?

It was used to make up a "Kʼatun" - 20 Tuns. They used them to measure longer periods of time than were allowed with their Round Calendar, which was 52 years long. I think this is where you get the "365 days" calendar thing from - they had a unit of time that was 20 days times 18 "months" (plus 5 unnamed "dangerous days"), which equals 365 - but this wasn't a base unit of time for them, it was used to make up the Round Calendar of 52 "Haab" years which was supposed to represent the life cycle of a human.

[Jon the frog]

On 6/21/2020 at 9:31 AM, stereologist said:

Right. So the Mayans counted days. Other systems count lunar cycles or solar cycles.

The funniest part that our dating system is probably way off with all the alteration and the time needed to implement it... and it's based on a ''date'' that we don't truly know, lol

http://www.webexhibits.org/calendars/year-history.html

[Unusual Tournament]

1 hour ago, Emma_Acid said:

It was used to make up a "Kʼatun" - 20 Tuns. They used them to measure longer periods of time than were allowed with their Round Calendar, which was 52 years long. I think this is where you get the "365 days" calendar thing from - they had a unit of time that was 20 days times 18 "months" (plus 5 unnamed "dangerous days"), which equals 365 - but this wasn't a base unit of time for them, it was used to make up the Round Calendar of 52 "Haab" years which was supposed to represent the life cycle of a human.

Fine I accept that. But they still counted years, for some periods of time?

[Emma_Acid]

17 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Fine I accept that. But they still counted years, for some periods of time?

No, not really. The Maya calendar cycles are really complicated and are based around ceremonial events, the main one being 52 years long, and they were all measured in days. If you look at the history of time keeping in general, the "day" is the main unit of measurement, not the hour or the year etc. Which makes perfect sense when you think of it.

[Unusual Tournament]

59 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said:

No, not really. The Maya calendar cycles are really complicated and are based around ceremonial events, the main one being 52 years long, and they were all measured in days. If you look at the history of time keeping in general, the "day" is the main unit of measurement, not the hour or the year etc. Which makes perfect sense when you think of it.

Sorry Emma, even thou we agree on most things i believe you're wrong here. The Maya specifically mention 365 days as a measurement. How they wished to express that measurement is another matter. Its not a coincidence or fluke that its a calendar year as we know it. 

[stereologist]

The Maya use of a 365 day count is an approximation to a year. Unlike other civilizations that also had a 365 day calendar, i.e. ancient Egypt, this was a count of days, not a recognition of a year. In other words they were counting days, not a solar cycle.

All of the Mayan calendars were day counts. Other cultures have counted lunar cycles or solar cycles. But the Mayans counted days.

Another example of this sort of counting is the Sumerian calendar. It was a complicated affair that counted lunar cycles. But they also adjusted their lunar month counts to approximate a solar cycle. Did they count years? No. The Sumerian counted lunar cycles.

So how do we know what they were counting? We can look at such evidence as the dates they give and see what they are assigning to important events. It's solar cycle counts, lunar cycle counts, or days. 

Not looking at the culture or civilization in question simply leads to bad thinking on the part of the observer where they inject their opinions instead of examining the facts.