Emma_Acid Posted January 20, 2021 #301 Share Posted January 20, 2021 On 1/18/2021 at 3:25 PM, Desertrat56 said: I think I said this before - counting is not the same as knowing how many something is. Counting is just repeating words in sequence. Knowing how many something is is a different kind of understanding. But you can build a framework with it to understand the universe. The fact that it works shows demonstrably that "numbers" represent reality. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted January 20, 2021 #302 Share Posted January 20, 2021 19 minutes ago, Emma_Acid said: But you can build a framework with it to understand the universe. The fact that it works shows demonstrably that "numbers" represent reality. What works, counting or knowing how many something is? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted January 21, 2021 #303 Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 11:29 PM, Emma_Acid said: It literally makes no difference. If context makes no difference to you then you must, by definition, be a nihilist. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted January 21, 2021 #304 Share Posted January 21, 2021 On 1/17/2021 at 3:11 AM, Harte said: It doesn't matter what you're counting, not mathematically anyway. Because mathematics isn't defined by reality. It just describes it. Harte It's all about context actually. I agree that the maths will work the same regardless of what you are counting, but if you don't know or care why you are counting, why count? It just becomes a meaningless exercise if it has no context. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
jmccr8 Posted January 21, 2021 #305 Share Posted January 21, 2021 2 hours ago, Alchopwn said: It's all about context actually. I agree that the maths will work the same regardless of what you are counting, but if you don't know or care why you are counting, why count? It just becomes a meaningless exercise if it has no context. Hi Alchopwn Yes I can understand what you are saying because when I buy material for a job I have to know how many of each dimension and I do sort for the best they have so they are as similar as possible. If I am hired to go count trees in the forest do I need to have a checklist before I determine a tree is a tree because it's only 6" tall or bent a certain way if it looks like a duck and walks like a duck and quacks like a duck it's usually a duck. it just depends on what the numbers needed are to be interpreted in the way the data is intended. I don't do math while sitting around in and office or restaurant if I am there for more than 15 minute I do start counting and calculating tale/chairs/light fixtures/windows just to pass the time. jmccr8 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted February 5, 2021 #306 Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 1/20/2021 at 8:54 PM, Desertrat56 said: What works, counting or knowing how many something is? Both. Its the same thing. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted February 5, 2021 #307 Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 5:55 AM, Alchopwn said: If context makes no difference to you then you must, by definition, be a nihilist. Nonsense. What you are counting makes no different to the fact that counting is a thing. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Emma_Acid Posted February 5, 2021 #308 Share Posted February 5, 2021 On 1/21/2021 at 5:58 AM, Alchopwn said: It's all about context actually. I agree that the maths will work the same regardless of what you are counting, but if you don't know or care why you are counting, why count? It just becomes a meaningless exercise if it has no context. No one is saying this. You're inventing an argument. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jon the frog Posted February 5, 2021 #309 Share Posted February 5, 2021 (edited) In my other lifes, i've been photons, spacerock, dinosaur pee and some supernova gases. Edited February 5, 2021 by Jon the frog 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+Desertrat56 Posted February 5, 2021 #310 Share Posted February 5, 2021 1 hour ago, Emma_Acid said: Both. Its the same thing. It is when you are an adult, it is not when you are a child. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted February 23, 2021 #311 Share Posted February 23, 2021 On 2/6/2021 at 12:26 AM, Emma_Acid said: Nonsense. What you are counting makes no different to the fact that counting is a thing. Counting is an act, not a thing btw. You cannot point to counting as a thing, you can only point to the act of counting. And as to engaging with what I actually meant, your answer doesn't suggest that you understand the point I was making. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 23, 2021 #312 Share Posted February 23, 2021 6 hours ago, Alchopwn said: Counting is an act, not a thing btw. You cannot point to counting as a thing, you can only point to the act of counting. And as to engaging with what I actually meant, your answer doesn't suggest that you understand the point I was making. ---------------------------> https://youtu.be/By2hmo323xM?t=25 Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Alchopwn Posted February 24, 2021 #313 Share Posted February 24, 2021 23 hours ago, Harte said: ---------------------------> https://youtu.be/By2hmo323xM?t=25 Harte That is a video about counting. It is not counting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 24, 2021 #314 Share Posted February 24, 2021 I was pointing at it while it was counting. :D Harte Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 24, 2021 #315 Share Posted February 24, 2021 Holy Hell, this argument is so ridiculous. 2 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Harte Posted February 25, 2021 #316 Share Posted February 25, 2021 44 minutes ago, XenoFish said: Holy Hell, this argument is so ridiculous. Nah. It's just funny. It can't be ridiculous. Ridiculous isn't a thing. You can't point at ridiculous. :D Harte 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
XenoFish Posted February 25, 2021 #317 Share Posted February 25, 2021 Just now, Harte said: Nah. It's just funny. It can't be ridiculous. Ridiculous isn't a thing. You can't point at ridiculous. Harte But I can count how many times the word ridiculous is used in the above sentience. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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