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Support for Brexit is collapsing

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Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

 
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I wonder if these are same folks that couldn't wait to vote for Corbin :w00t:

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zep73
2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

Support for Brexit is collapsing as poll finds big majority of British people want to be in the EU

 

Too foging late!

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1 minute ago, sci-nerd said:

Too foging late!

First off, why would anyone lend any credibility to such reports when all the polling around this issue was proven to be badly inaccurate?  I think this is nothing more than the same old suspects pounding the propaganda.

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zep73
1 minute ago, and then said:

First off, why would anyone lend any credibility to such reports when all the polling around this issue was proven to be badly inaccurate?  I think this is nothing more than the same old suspects pounding the propaganda.

Probably. That would fit the data from their latest election, where the stay-movement lost big to Johnson.

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A rather obscure Bassoon

Same old left wing woke propaganda.

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Captain Risky

This is gonna be fun. The EU has no incentive in doing anything for the UK and the UK will be back after the dust has settled. A new pro-EU Britain and with a much improved appreciation for a united Europe. 

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A rather obscure Bassoon
Posted (edited)
2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

This is gonna be fun. The EU has no incentive in doing anything for the UK and the UK will be back after the dust has settled. A new pro-EU Britain and with a much improved appreciation for a united Europe. 

Yawn......

The EU so far has capitulated  every time.

If the UK decides to kick the rest of Europe out of her fishing grounds then the the Fishing fleets of the Netherlands,the French and the Spanish may as well park up in their  home ports.

Please change the record,

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Captain Risky
4 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Yawn......

The EU so far has capitulated  every time.

If the UK decides to kick the rest of Europe out of her fishing grounds then the the Fishing fleets of the Netherlands,the French and the Spanish may as well park up in their  home ports.

Please change the record,

Lets see. If fish quotas is all the UK has to bargain with then the UK is in big trouble. The real question here is what is more important, preserving the single market of 450 million consumers and suppliers or tariffs on a market of 65 million. Mmmm... i wonder who will capitulate first?               

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RAyMO
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

The EU so far has capitulated  every time.

what!! - the deal Boris famously signed after months of deliberation - was almost identical to the the very first deal from the EU that Mrs May refused to sign, it so bad for the UK (from tory DUP perspective) it was never put to parliament. subsequently May had negotiated movement towards The UKs position. Boris couldn't negotiation any more movement, and rather than sign up to Mays deal, and with time running out, panicked (capitulated) and took EU's original offer which conveniently for Boris had never been put to Parliament. 

He signed the offer which differentiated NI form the rest of the UK - something May and Boris said could never be contemplated when the deal was first offered. 

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RAyMO
Posted (edited)
5 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

If the UK decides to kick the rest of Europe out of her fishing grounds

The UK is on slippery ground in this - the majority of the fish caught in UK waters is actually sold in European markets. Not much point in having a catch if you can't sell it. 

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Captain Risky
7 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

The UK is on slippery ground in this - the majority of the fish caught in UK waters is actually sold in European markets. Not much point in having a catch if you can't sell it. 

It will still get sold in european markets and attract a tariff. French and Spanish fishermen will have to fish other grounds. 

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5 hours ago, A rather obscure Bassoon said:

Please change the record

It's so similar to the OMB narrative that I'm being bored by proxy :w00t:

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Captain Risky
7 hours ago, and then said:

First off, why would anyone lend any credibility to such reports when all the polling around this issue was proven to be badly inaccurate?  I think this is nothing more than the same old suspects pounding the propaganda.

Not really. You see the time is fast approaching and brexit has failed on all its promises. People ask questions and readjust. Its natural to question.  

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RAyMO
Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

It will still get sold in european markets and attract a tariff. French and Spanish fishermen will have to fish other grounds. 

price increases -  demand decreases - other regulations could come into play as well 

"you can't dock your boat here - the sticker is the wrong way up" type thing. 

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Captain Risky
Posted (edited)
4 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

price increases -  demand decreases

Of course, there are also other imports for EU to rely on. The problem for the EU is the Spanish and French fishermen. They have to find other fishing grounds and what not. But the end result is that the UK is leaving and opening its self to other trade agreements that will limit EU exports so why should the EU allow the UK to continue to have free access to the EU? It won't, fish or no fish 

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RAyMO
Posted (edited)
12 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Not really. You see the time is fast approaching and brexit has failed on all its promises. People ask questions and readjust. Its natural to question.  

There will be no trade deal - English not sure they want one, the EU beginning to lose the will to care about it anymore. 

Brexit supporters hopeful that any economic hit can be buried amongst the Covid 19 economic hit - but through international comparisons - it will be easy to spot. 

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Captain Risky
1 minute ago, RAyMO said:

There will be no trade deal - English not sure they want one, the EU beginning to lose the will to care about it anymore. 

Brexit supporters hopeful that any economic hit can be buried amongst the Covid 19 economic hit - but through internal comparisons - it will be easy to spot. 

Its about disruption as much as a trade deal. Can the EU replace British markets faster than the UK? I think they can. So they'll be less inclined to wanna cut a deal. Britain is a rich country that can afford to buy European products even with tariffs and the EU will cut the UK out with tariff free trade deals in South and Central America and India. 

So yeah, it will be foolish for the Boris to try and blame covid when exports dry up the the EU is still importing from other country's. 

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RAyMO
16 minutes ago, Captain Risky said:

Its about disruption as much as a trade deal. Can the EU replace British markets faster than the UK? I think they can. So they'll be less inclined to wanna cut a deal. Britain is a rich country that can afford to buy European products even with tariffs and the EU will cut the UK out with tariff free trade deals in South and Central America and India. 

So yeah, it will be foolish for the Boris to try and blame covid when exports dry up the the EU is still importing from other country's. 

the other point is that the EU is not a single entity, in many ways. It is a collection of countries and any hit is spread amongst those countries (not evenly off course). But nevertheless the hit to individual EU counties will be less than the hit to the UK. 

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'Walt' E. Kurtz

Im abviavalent when it comes to this question from what i know most Brits still want out. However the youth should be more positive towards remaining in the EU. 

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Cookie Monster
19 minutes ago, 'Walt' E. Kurtz said:

Im abviavalent when it comes to this question from what i know most Brits still want out. However the youth should be more positive towards remaining in the EU. 

The Business Insider is known a lefty financial advice publication and is as biased as CNN.

For the last 5 years they have constantly claimed this and that to be embarrassed every single time when the public voted the opposite way. They are not alone, one of the worst offenders here was the BBC and it made the look on their faces a classic when they realised the UK had voted to leave the EU. That organisation claims its is politically neutral but when analysed closer it does the bare legal minimum it can to give a fair and accurate representation of arguments from all sides.

The idea the youth voted to stay in the UK has not been verified with evidence. No one has asked our youth how they each voted in the Brexit referendum so some caution against the narrative saying they did is needed. Especially with the media outlets as they constantly lie, distort, and then get embarrassed when the British public vote a different way.

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Montmorency the Dog

I'd ******ing rather be ruled by Genghis ****** Khan than Boris and his little band of cardboard cut-outs, that i do know . Does anyone still use the arguments about "sovereignty" and "the British people having a say in who rules them" after what we've seen this year of rule by decree from a petty little pocket dictator?

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Jarocal
3 hours ago, RAyMO said:

But nevertheless the hit to individual EU counties will be less than the hit to the UK. 

Unless your Germany footing a large part of the bill that the UK used to.

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Helen of Annoy
41 minutes ago, Jarocal said:

Unless your Germany footing a large part of the bill that the UK used to.

It doesn't work like that. 

It's Brexiter misconception that money is being poured into some imaginary EU black hole where it simply disappears. It doesn't just disappear, it finances any imaginable activity through system of funds, throughout the EU. Which is incompatible with isolationist Brexiter mentality. Brexiters chose to lose the support of EU funds because they'll rather end up bankrupt than see someone else benefit from the same funds too. 

The EU budget may be smaller after Brexit. No one will have to foot UK's part of the bill, simply because the UK won't be using funds anymore.

UK's net contribution wasn't financing the whole EU, as Brexiter misinformation would suggest.

And if there are possibilities to actually make up for the UK contribution, without UK drawing money out of EU funds, it will mean literal explosion of investments for the rest of the EU. 

This is in short why no one sane outside the UK is worried about Brexit. The only reason why sane people keep pointing out that the idea is quite financially suicidal on the UK's part is because it is quite financially suicidal on UK's part.

Not to mention the whole Brexit construction is based on the ridiculous premise of the actual British superiority. And on the great Brexiter ally Trump, who will make only the best deals with them :lol:  

 

Guys, if you didn't know what you're doing. the second you saw Trump supporting you, you were supposed to wake up screaming. 

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