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Kinda shines a whole different light on "liberty or death" don't it? 

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Montmorency the Dog

GET THE **** OUT OF THERE WHILE YOU STILL CAN, is the advice I'd offer to the subjects of the Socialist Dictatorship of California in general. "Covid" is nothing at all to do with it; we're seeing the most glaring example ever seen of a dictatorship coming into being by taking advantage of what might otherwise, at most, have been a temporary blip in hospital admissions.

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Montmorency the Dog
27 minutes ago, glorybebe said:

I had a person I know say we had to 'take back the country' because our rights were gone, keeping 6 feet apart, wearing masks, gloves... I told him that personally, I am alright with losing some rights if it means keeping some people alive.  He looked flabbergasted and didn't have anything to say to me.  

and neither have I. If you're willing to undergo any petty humiliation at the whim of those who want to control you, on the flimsiest of grounds, and covering it with a layer of sanctimoniousness "if it stops people dying",),  then, well, people deserve everything they tell you to do. People really do deserve tinpot tyrants like Governors Newsom and Cuomo if they just wring their hands and repeat the "if it stops people dying" line. Everyone has got to die of something sooner or later. you can't prevent people from dying. The overwhelming majority of people they claim died of Covid actually died of something else and covid may have been present, but even that is far from a certainty. They'd have died from those things probably just as soon anyway. 

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Montmorency the Dog

 I am alright with losing some rights if it means .... is a slogan that ought to be printed on the compulsory masks, as a perpetual reminder of the results of obedience

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Montmorency the Dog

It i also interesting, not that I'm necessarily referring to anyone in this thread :whistle:, how pro-lockdown and sanctimonious questions about "if one of your family was dying of the Covid" seem togo hand-in-hand with hatred of Trump. People try to tell me that the great Coivd hysteria is nothing at all to do with party politics... ? :whistle:

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Manwon Lender
3 minutes ago, Montmorency the Dog said:

and neither have I. If you're willing to undergo any petty humiliation at the whim of those who want to control you, on the flimsiest of grounds, and covering it with a layer of sanctimoniousness "if it stops people dying",),  then, well, people deserve everything they tell you to do. People really do deserve tinpot tyrants like Governors Newsom and Cuomo if they just wring their hands and repeat the "if it stops people dying" line. Everyone has got to die of something sooner or later. you can't prevent people from dying. The overwhelming majority of people they claim died of Covid actually died of something else and covid may have been present, but even that is far from a certainty. They'd have died from those things probably just as soon anyway. 

Honestly where do you get your information from, is there an article you can post, or a link you can post, I would like to see it personally.

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Just now, Montmorency the Dog said:

It i also interesting, not that I'm necessarily referring to anyone in this thread :whistle:, how pro-lockdown and sanctimonious questions about "if one of your family was dying of the Covid" seem togo hand-in-hand with hatred of Trump. People try to tell me that the great Coivd hysteria is nothing at all to do with party politics... ? :whistle:

Thanks for your comments, would you bet your families lives on them, or is that something others are suppose to do to meet your mandate?:)

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Montmorency the Dog
6 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

So I asked you if some of your family members were to die because of the freedom of choice would that be ok with you, and you would not answer the question are you willing to answer it now???

It's a very simple question!!

They would most probably have died, not of the Covid, but of something else that, due to the fraudulent way that statistics are recorded, would have been put down as "Covid". The question of "Covid" is neither here nor there. You believe that the "freedom" of having the chance to remain alive and not "die of the Covid", even if it means surrendering everything else, including your livelihood, your ability to interact with your own family let alone any other fellow humans, is the only thing that matters, just as long as you stay alive?   

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Montmorency the Dog
3 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Honestly where do you get your information from, is there an article you can post, or a link you can post, I would like to see it personally.

Peace

if you really don't know that you really need to throw your telescreen out of the window. Is the propaganda that all-pervasive that people still don't know that? A good 95% of all deaths "due to Covid" worldwide are people who had pre-existing conditions, who were already in hospital because of them, or in care homes, and were at the end of their lives anyway. 

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Manwon Lender
2 minutes ago, Montmorency the Dog said:

They would most probably have died, not of the Covid, but of something else that, due to the fraudulent way that statistics are recorded, would have been put down as "Covid". The question of "Covid" is neither here nor there. You believe that the "freedom" of having the chance to remain alive and not "die of the Covid", even if it means surrendering everything else, including your livelihood, your ability to interact with your own family let alone any other fellow humans, is the only thing that matters, just as long as you stay alive?   

I never said it wasn't very important to get the economy  up and running again, because it is very important. But obviously the way it was done wasn't the right way to do it, because when you have over 40,000 new infections in a single day it certainly proves there is a problem. I totally believe in Freedom and I have fought for it for more than 30 years of my life, but freedom at the expense of others isn't freedom its selfishness. Staying alive is very important especially when it can be done along with other tasks like restarting the economy, and using the proper methods to control the spread of this virus and not intentional kill people because of your selfishness and your lack of concern for others. Every single thing America needs to accomplish can be accomplished if Americans throw their political beliefs in the toilet and work together to get things done.

That doesnt mean surrendering anything, it means doing what is best for the Country and it's people. Now, the first thing that needs to happen is our Leadership needs to stop being the problem, and outlining Federal guidelines that will effectively make everything happen. Presidents Trump hands off approach is not working, the Governors can not handle this problem, and the extreme spike of infections prove that it isn't working. President Trump is our Nation highest Leader, and as a Leader he is responsible for everything that is going on, so he needs to except the Leadership he was given when he was elected, and he needs to fix the on going problems with this Pandemic by implementing a set of Federal Guidelines that all States will follow to get this Pandemic under control.

Locking down states again isn't necessary, but putting procedures in place that will allow us to accomplish what needs to be done is necessary. Every other National Leader on the face of this planet has done this, except for our Leaders, and because of this we are all in a very screwed up situation, where more than half the world will not allow Americans to enter their boarders. America use to be the Leader of the entire world in everything, we still have the best Medical Facilities, the best Technology, and we have many of the greatest minds on the Planet, but do to failures in Leadership we cant control a simple F-ing virus, all I can say is it embarrassing and I never thought I see the day where America has to follow the rest of the World or anyone.

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Manwon Lender
35 minutes ago, Montmorency the Dog said:

if you really don't know that you really need to throw your telescreen out of the window. Is the propaganda that all-pervasive that people still don't know that? A good 95% of all deaths "due to Covid" worldwide are people who had pre-existing conditions, who were already in hospital because of them, or in care homes, and were at the end of their lives anyway. 

If those were your family members you would not be making such foolish statements. Like I asked you for before, do you have a source for all the comments you make or do you just make them up as you go, honestly that appears to be what your doing because your facts and figures are not even close to reality. So maybe you need to buy  Telescreen, and catch up with what is really going on, instead of giving your opinion.

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3 hours ago, Montmorency the Dog said:

if you really don't know that you really need to throw your telescreen out of the window. Is the propaganda that all-pervasive that people still don't know that? A good 95% of all deaths "due to Covid" worldwide are people who had pre-existing conditions, who were already in hospital because of them, or in care homes, and were at the end of their lives anyway. 

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Setton
3 hours ago, Montmorency the Dog said:

It i also interesting, not that I'm necessarily referring to anyone in this thread :whistle:, how pro-lockdown and sanctimonious questions about "if one of your family was dying of the Covid" seem togo hand-in-hand with hatred of Trump. People try to tell me that the great Coivd hysteria is nothing at all to do with party politics... ? :whistle:

Gosh, yes. It's almost like the scientifically illiterate posters who support a scientifically illiterate president continue to spout scientifically illiterate conspiracy theories about COVID...

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quiXilver

I like when racists, misogynists, xenophobes and scientifically ignorant fellow citizens are open and vocal with their bile.

Saves time in learning who to avoid spending much energy on... aside from watching closely for their inevitable abusive behavior.

 

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5 hours ago, glorybebe said:

I had a person I know say we had to 'take back the country' because our rights were gone, keeping 6 feet apart, wearing masks, gloves... I told him that personally, I am alright with losing some rights if it means keeping some people alive.  He looked flabbergasted and didn't have anything to say to me.  Hopefully he understood that people's lives are worth us to be having to restrict some interactions 

It's more about taking precautions than losing rights, because people choose to follow or not follow them. Nothing is 100% safe, though I'd rather err on the side of caution.

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1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

It's more about taking precautions than losing rights, because people choose to follow or not follow them. Nothing is 100% safe, though I'd rather err on the side of caution.

It was an example to the guy that we weren't giving up rights, but using precautions.  BUT, if we did lose rights, I would rather people be alive rather than sniveling that they need to maintain 6 feet.  The people here who complain about rights are the ones who have their heads in the sand and say covid doesn't exist.

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Just now, glorybebe said:

It was an example to the guy that we weren't giving up rights, but using precautions.  BUT, if we did lose rights, I would rather people be alive rather than sniveling that they need to maintain 6 feet.  And if we did lose rights it will be because of people like him. The people here who complain about rights are the ones who have their heads in the sand and say covid doesn't exist.

 

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We have the right to take precautions and work together to protect each other for a period of time....and then hopefully that will work well enough that we can relax the precautions?   Along with a vaccine?

Or we can continue being stupid about it and see millions die.         hmmmm , let me think.    

I have hunch that the ones crying FREEDOM !   Might sing a slightly different tune if they lose many family members and loved ones?

 

 

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spartan max2

California was the first state to lockdown on March 19th.

So what did they do wrong because it looks like they did the same as Europe yet they are spiking?

 

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7 hours ago, glorybebe said:

I had a person I know say we had to 'take back the country' because our rights were gone, keeping 6 feet apart, wearing masks, gloves... I told him that personally, I am alright with losing some rights if it means keeping some people alive.  He looked flabbergasted and didn't have anything to say to me.  Hopefully he understood that people's lives are worth us to be having to restrict some interactions 

that alone tells me you will be alright losing all rights if given a good enough  B.S.

especially when in some jurisdictions, people "of color" (a segment of population that has the most deaths, infections, thus are more infectious) are exempt from wearing masks, it tells me that law has nothing to do with safety, and health.

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3 hours ago, quiXilver said:

I like when racists, misogynists, xenophobes and scientifically ignorant fellow citizens are open and vocal with their bile.

Saves time in learning who to avoid spending much energy on... aside from watching closely for their inevitable abusive behavior.

 

so you decided to make this post, lmao,  that tells a lot about you,

btw such rants give away virtue signalers as well, just like you just did. lol.   

you can reason and find compromise with any of the category you listed, but  virtue signalers are lost cause, no dialog with them is possible. 

 

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1 hour ago, glorybebe said:

It was an example to the guy that we weren't giving up rights, but using precautions.  BUT, if we did lose rights, I would rather people be alive rather than sniveling that they need to maintain 6 feet.  The people here who complain about rights are the ones who have their heads in the sand and say covid doesn't exist.

I'm still not sure what rights are supposed to be getting infringed on by telling people to wear a mask for health and safety reasons. I hear people say their right of choice, but that isn't really a legal thing... People still need to wear shoes and shirts into most public establishments for health and safety reasons and I've never heard people freak about their rights about covering their feet and torsos like some folks are about wearing a mask. (breast feeding aside, that's an issue that is being legally processed) Around the webs, I've heard it called an "infringement of customer rights" for a place to require a mask-  but legally speaking, a customer has almost zero rights and the establishment has a few rights as far as what to wear or not in an establishment. 

For gathering places like eateries and bars- the gov already has the rights on shutting those down. It's the health department, and they can close establishments for health reasons. That can include all sorts of illness outbreaks, not just food borne pathogens and sanitation issues. Building departments can limit occupancy rates. OSHA already has all sorts of rights about workplaces and health/safety for workers. 

For beaches, piers, paths, parks... oddly enough, those aren't a right either. The gov does not have to have those places at all, does not have to have them available for the public if there's hazards. Legally, a town up to the nation isn't required to have public parks and facilities. That's a nicety provided, not really something that people legally have a right to. If a beach tests for crypto, the gov entity over that beach can shut it down. If a path is too narrow to allow people to safely travel it, the gov entity over that trail can shut it down. 

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