Russians grant Putin right to extend his rule

[Eldorado]

"Russians opened the door to Vladimir Putin staying in power until 2036 by voting overwhelmingly for constitutional changes that will allow him to run again for president twice, but critics said the outcome was falsified on an industrial scale."

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"The Central Election Commission said 77.9% of votes counted across the world’s largest country had supported changing the constitution. Just over 21.2% had voted against, it said.

"Ella Pamfilova, head of the commission, said the vote had been transparent and that officials had done everything to ensure its integrity."

Full report at Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-vote-idUSKBN24254A

[stevewinn]

Russia going backwards once more. 

[TigerBright19]

Every time I think of Putin I think of him singing 'Blueberry Hill'

 

 

 

[micahc]

How does the change impact Putin's Presidency over the United States?  

[micahc]

57 minutes ago, TigerBright19 said:

Every time I think of Putin I think of him singing 'Blueberry Hill'

 

 

 

they say if Castro had been signed by the Yankees, he would never have become a dictator. Hey Nashville, can you invite Putin to the Grand Ole Opera.  The crowd will love him, or at least the better.

[spartan max2]

77.9 percent voted yes?

Surrrre they did lol 

Edited July 2, 2020 by spartan max2

[Kittens Are Jerks]

34 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

77.9 percent voted yes?

Surrrre they did lol 

Yeah exactly. I read a NYT report earlier that quoted someone as describing the whole thing as well played theatre. An elaborate spectacle of public affirmation was vital to Putin's legitimacy and no doubt the conniving little creep did everything to ensure that he got it.

[quiXilver]

In any election, all that truly matters... is who counts the votes.

[thedutchiedutch]

Headline should read "Putin Russians grant Putin right to extend his rule" 

[Orphalesion]

I'm still of the opinion that Russia today is a far worse place than the Soviet Union was at any point after Stalin's death (because yeah, Satlinism was far worse). Inside the modern Russian Federationthe mob, the oligarchs and the Russian church were the only ones who really profited from the abrupt fall of communism, and all three of them were very quick to put their on strangleholds on that country.   

Edited July 3, 2020 by Orphalesion

[Unusual Tournament]

9 hours ago, Kittens Are Jerks said:

Yeah exactly. I read a NYT report earlier that quoted someone as describing the whole thing as well played theatre. An elaborate spectacle of public affirmation was vital to Putin's legitimacy and no doubt the conniving little creep did everything to ensure that he got it.

But can you blame them? After Russian's flirtation with democracy, and losing its empire why would the Russian powers that be go any other way than this pantomime.

[Setton]

11 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

77.9 percent voted yes?

Surrrre they did lol 

Options on the ballot paper:

• Yes
• I never liked my family much anyway

[Setton]

Although this would suggest the voting results aren't complete fantasy.

https://www.theguardian.com/world/2020/jul/02/the-only-region-to-say-nyet-to-putin-in-landslide-victory

[Duke Wellington]

14 hours ago, Eldorado said:

"Russians opened the door to Vladimir Putin staying in power until 2036 by voting overwhelmingly for constitutional changes that will allow him to run again for president twice, but critics said the outcome was falsified on an industrial scale."

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"The Central Election Commission said 77.9% of votes counted across the world’s largest country had supported changing the constitution. Just over 21.2% had voted against, it said.

"Ella Pamfilova, head of the commission, said the vote had been transparent and that officials had done everything to ensure its integrity."

Full report at Reuters: https://www.reuters.com/article/us-russia-putin-vote-idUSKBN24254A

He still has to win elections every 6 years.

This stops him having to be Prime Minster, then president, then Prime Minster, then President, etc. Trump needs to get the US version changed too. There should be no limit on the number of terms or consecutive terms.

[RoofGardener]

20 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

He still has to win elections every 6 years.

This stops him having to be Prime Minster, then president, then Prime Minster, then President, etc. Trump needs to get the US version changed too. There should be no limit on the number of terms or consecutive terms.

Hmmm.... in the US, I presume its only the position of President that has term limits ? You can be a Representative or a Senator for as long as the public is willing to keep voting for you ? 

[Setton]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

He still has to win elections every 6 years.

This stops him having to be Prime Minster, then president, then Prime Minster, then President, etc. Trump needs to get the US version changed too. There should be no limit on the number of terms or consecutive terms.

"Win"

Edit:

Also "elections"

Edited July 3, 2020 by Setton

[Eldorado]

Russian President Vladimir Putin on Monday signed a law allowing him to potentially hold onto power until 2036, a move that formalizes constitutional changes endorsed in a vote last year.

The July 1 constitutional vote included a provision that reset Putin’s previous term limits, allowing him to run for president two more times. The change was rubber-stamped by the Kremlin-controlled legislature and the relevant law signed by Putin was posted Monday on an official portal of legal information.

The 68-year-old Russian president, who has been in power for more than two decades — longer than any other Kremlin leader since Soviet dictator Josef Stalin — said he would decide later whether to run again in 2024 when his current six-year term ends.

https://time.com/5952692/vladimir-putin-presidential-terms/

[stevewinn]

Russian military build up continues. East Ukraine Border.

US C17 Flying into Ukraine 16 times in the last four days.

United Kingdom RAF Rivet Joint aircraft constantly on station. electronic surveillance aircraft.

 

 

 

 

[Luiza22]

On 7/2/2020 at 10:38 PM, stevewinn said:

Russia going backwards once more. 

Exactly the opposite has happened since Putin was coerced into taking over around 22 years ago .

The strides that have been taken are breathtaking and because of natural resources this upward trend is set to continue to  accelerate as Russia moves forward with India , Japan and others to create an inter powers trading block to at least match the Silk Road hopes of the Chinese .

The US have nothing  in comparison as Trump immediately knew and began to rectify .

And there is nothing the US can do to interfere with Russian  plans because Moscow  retains an iron grip over its people when required and is self sufficient in food and water .

In terms of Military strength  it is likely that Russia  is at least as mighty as the US  but I suspect is stronger with huge extra  advantages in  being closer to  the  war theatre and also in terms of weapons deployed via satellites .

 Not that either power block would choose  outright  war  , an almost certain self defeating option .

I visit the Federation often and the few Americans you bump into in the big cities have little to say as they spend all their time walking around with their mouths wide open and only occasionally making squeaking type noises .

[spartan max2]

Russia is weak as ****.

This whole thing would end immediately if NATO moved some substantial troops to Ukraine. 

Or heaven forbid, the EU could show itself to be useful.

[Luiza22]

2 hours ago, spartan max2 said:

Russia is weak as ****.

This whole thing would end immediately if NATO moved some substantial troops to Ukraine. 

Or heaven forbid, the EU could show itself to be useful.

Heard that joke before  . Usually starts , if pigs could fly -------- .

EU is obligated to Russia for oil and gas . 

And , regardless ,  all War Game Simulations show Russia being victorious .

End of .

[spartan max2]

14 minutes ago, Luiza22 said:

Heard that joke before  . Usually starts , if pigs could fly -------- .

EU is obligated to Russia for oil and gas . 

And , regardless ,  all War Game Simulations show Russia being victorious .

End of .

Poor wargame results are a great way to get more funding from the fed 

But yeah, If China and Russia Blitz rushed the US, like in the wargame, than it would probably be bad for us. Which is what the purpose of the wargame was to test. And the same is probably true in reverse. It's the reality of the speed of Modern warfare.

The Ukraine situation isn't similar to that wargame though. 

Edited April 9, 2021 by spartan max2

[Luiza22]

Broadly agreed .

The meat of the matter is about who controls the pipes running though Ukraine plus  the industrial part of Ukraine which is the Donbas region . Follow the money .

US ( NATO )  would never admit it,  but the days of needing troops ( US  ) to surround an enemy  are near to  the end other than for small area tactical battles and skirmishes . 

DEW and Drones will largely do the job now plus the range of Hypersonic weapons and missiles .

They are on Ukraine's  door step already,  or  , as Putin might argue , actually  on Russian territory . What troops might the US send --- peacekeepers and advisors ? rofl .

Or better still , bluster , threats and sanctions ?  General Mark Milley and his fellow gangster warlord wannabes are effectively  going to end up  kicking  Sleepy out before his dementia achieves the same end result .