Trump Mount Rushmore

[Piney]

Just now, hacktorp said:

Real Far Right

 

WOW!! This is a hoot!!

Howcome I never heard of these folks even though I'm a former Warrior-Advisor and a Chief's son? 

[ian hacktorp]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

WOW!! This is a hoot!!

Howcome I never heard of these folks even though I'm a former Warrior-Advisor and a Chief's son? 

Are you from South Dakota?

[Piney]

3 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

I'm Lakota and we don't know who they are. We have scouts all over the black hills making sure Monuments like Mt Rushmore and especially #CrazyHorse (Largest carving in the world) do not get vandalized. We are watching.

 

So if I call my stepmother on Pine Ridge she will verify this? 

[Piney]

Just now, hacktorp said:

Are you from South Dakota?

No, but my stepmother's ranch and husband's tribe are there and she's part of the protests. 

[ian hacktorp]

Just now, Piney said:

No, but my stepmother's ranch and husband's tribe are there and she's part of the protests. 

Sounds like Natives are like most other folks...and have widely varying views and opinions.

And many don't like being told what to think.

[Piney]

Just now, hacktorp said:

Sounds like Natives are like most other folks...and have widely varying views and opinions.

And many don't like being told what to think.

There are Trump supporters in Indian Country, but not enough to have scouts or guards on the Paahaa Saapaa.

I think Pine Ridge has about 4 and Rosebud about 6. 

[ian hacktorp]

4 minutes ago, Piney said:

There are Trump supporters in Indian Country, but not enough to have scouts or guards on the Paahaa Saapaa.

I think Pine Ridge has about 4 and Rosebud about 6. 

I would think one needn't be a Trump supporter to oppose chaos and destruction...and incitement by (largely white) agitators of the Leftist mob.

[Peter B]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

They claim the right are Nazis, but its them with the foot soldiers. They claim the right are the Nazis, buts its lefty political indoctrination going on in our classrooms (like what Hitler did). They claim the right are the Nazis, but its our Labour Party with the anti-semitism problem. They need to stop and take a look in the mirror. Finally, and this is the most bizarre one of all while they frame the right as Nazis, the Nazi Party were the National Socialist Workers Party. Not conservatives, not republicans, not capitalists, not those who believe in liberalised free markets, or freedom of speech, or freedom to have your own opinion.

Sorry, major history fail there. Having the word socialist in the name didn't make the Nazis classical socialists. For examples:

- Nazi street thugs fought Social Democrat and Communist street thugs.

- Hitler claimed Bolshevism was the main threat to Germany.

- The Nazis took power initially in coalition with another conservative political party and as a result of the machinations of conservative politicians.

- The Nazis received political and financial support from the business community, and once the Nazis were in power they were very friendly towards the business community.

- When non-Nazi political parties were outlawed, it was the Communists and Social Democrats who were arrested and sent to concentration camps.

So, no, the Nazis weren't socialists.

 

[Piney]

10 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

I would think one needn't be a Trump supporter to oppose chaos and destruction...and incitement by (largely white) agitators of the Leftist mob.

Well, lets see......

Trump has.......

Spent millions lobbying against Native casinos.

Tried to dissolve reservations and tribal governments.

Opened up thousands of acres or trust land to non-Indian mining companies.

Shown he's a coward to the ethnic group with the highest military enlistment rate in the U.S. and Canada. 

No Indians had to be drafted for any war.  General Westmoreland actually wrote a huge letter about it which hangs in most Tribal Centers.

 

[Setton]

39 minutes ago, Piney said:

WOW!! This is a hoot!!

Howcome I never heard of these folks even though I'm a former Warrior-Advisor and a Chief's son? 

And the Twitter account is called Realfarright.

Nothing dodgy to see here, goodness no.

[docyabut2]

We know the Marxist  Communists  the far left are using the black Americans and Indians issues to take over our government. They are the older whites in the mobs. 

Edited July 4, 2020 by docyabut2

[Piney]

42 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Real Far Right

 

It's Q'Anon......

And to threaten "War Parties" is hilarious because all combat vets are members of AIM and considered terrorists by the Republicans. 

[Piney]

Just now, Setton said:

And the Twitter account is called Realfarright.

Nothing dodgy to see here, goodness no.

It's a Q'anon fraudster. See my post above. 

[ian hacktorp]

1 minute ago, Piney said:

It's a Q'anon fraudster. See my post above. 

There are no conservative Native Americans?

I bet many would say that you (or anyone else) don't speak for them.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, hacktorp said:

There are no conservative Native Americans?

Yeah!! Me!!

......and every other Indian logger, cowboy,  logger-cowboy or steelworker.

I would put my entire tribe to work and let the lazy mooches starve.

Doesn't mean we would support a coward who obviously hates us.... 

[ian hacktorp]

3 minutes ago, Piney said:

Yeah!! Me!!

......and every other Indian logger, cowboy,  logger-cowboy or steelworker.

I would put my entire tribe to work and let the lazy mooches starve.

Doesn't mean we would support a coward who obviously hates us.... 

Fair enough!

From the reports, it sounds like among the Natives surrounding Mount Rushmore, there were peaceful protesters, Trump supporters, protectors of Indian lands, and a few disruptive punks (who may not have been Natives).

IOW, a microcosm of the entire country.

[docyabut2]

23 minutes ago, hacktorp said:

Fair enough!

From the reports, it sounds like among the Natives surrounding Mount Rushmore, there were peaceful protesters, Trump supporters, protectors of Indian lands, and a few disruptive punks (who may not have been Natives).

IOW, a microcosm of the entire country.

South Dakota (/- dəˈkoʊtə/ (listen)) is a U.S. state in the Midwestern region of the United States. It is named after the Lakota and Dakota Sioux Native American tribes,

 

look how the  Marxist  Communists  the far left is changing names of places . mine in Columbus  Ohio. Watch out they try to take the Indians names out to

 

 

Edited July 4, 2020 by docyabut2

[RavenHawk]

3 hours ago, Peter B said:

So you believe in freedom of speech, except where you don't. Okay...

There's a difference between freedom of speech and spewing hatred.  Trump gets too much hatred spewed at him.  That is detrimental to this nation, but he will overcome.

[Peter B]

27 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

There's a difference between freedom of speech and spewing hatred.  Trump gets too much hatred spewed at him.  That is detrimental to this nation, but he will overcome.

By passing laws like Cookie Monster suggested?

[RavenHawk]

3 minutes ago, Peter B said:

By passing laws like Cookie Monster suggested?

Not by passing common sense laws, but by something the last President didn't have - Character!

[lightly]

3 hours ago, Piney said:

Because I'm "Only a half breed"? Even with my Tribal enrollment and healthcare status? 

Howcome nobody says that about Obama or other mixed African Americans? 

How do you think I feel?! . . I'm half Irish .    .   and half English

[Setton]

26 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Not by passing common sense laws, but by something the last President didn't have - Character!

Insults are not character.

And you're right, Obama didn't have character. He had gravitas.

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, Peter B said:

Sorry, major history fail there. Having the word socialist in the name didn't make the Nazis classical socialists. For examples:

Yes, what's in a name?  The Left uses this to spread confusion.  We are using the wrong political spectrum.  I.e. Nazi, Fascists on the right and Marxists, Communists on the left.  The fact is, they are all Socialists, just a different flavor.  you can add Theocracy, Monarchy, and Democracy.  The real spectrum clears up much of the confusion.  If you take the current political spectrum, and anchor the two ends, then find the exact center.  Now fold the right side over to the left around that center point, so that all of these flavors are aligned next to each other.  Now redefine the end point thusly, to the right end is 0% government control and to the left end, is 100% government control.  Government no matter the flavor is based on control and the tendency of all government is to drift from right to left (increasing in control).  Some are slower and others are faster.  Sometimes it is jerky.  Whatever the case, the more it travels to the left, the fewer rights the people have.  There is only one government on this political spectrum that has breaks.  Is is the only one that truly protects the rights of the people.  It is our Constitutional Republic.  I consider it at 30% on this spectrum (arguably).  It too drifts left, but we have the Constitution that limits abuse and keeps it from drifting.  Once in a while there is an event or a person that guides it back to the right, securing freedom for all.  That is Trump, but those that want to release the breaks are fighting him.  They were just one step from that happening under Clinton.  The people rose up in a mini-revolution.  That was the event that kept the breaks on.  Round two is coming up.

[RavenHawk]

25 minutes ago, lightly said:

How do you think I feel?! . . I'm half Irish .    .   and half English

One of my ancestors fought with William of Orange at the battle of Boyne in 1690.  He was granted lands in Rathdrum.  But that made him an Orangeman and I take it that they were never really accepted??  But that explains the motivation for immigrating to this country 30 years later.  I do have other Irish ancestors from Cork.  That’s almost like a cliché.

[Peter B]

5 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Yes, what's in a name?  The Left uses this to spread confusion.  We are using the wrong political spectrum.  I.e. Nazi, Fascists on the right and Marxists, Communists on the left.  The fact is, they are all Socialists, just a different flavor.  you can add Theocracy, Monarchy, and Democracy.  The real spectrum clears up much of the confusion.  If you take the current political spectrum, and anchor the two ends, then find the exact center.  Now fold the right side over to the left around that center point, so that all of these flavors are aligned next to each other.  Now redefine the end point thusly, to the right end is 0% government control and to the left end, is 100% government control.  Government no matter the flavor is based on control and the tendency of all government is to drift from right to left (increasing in control).  Some are slower and others are faster.  Sometimes it is jerky.  Whatever the case, the more it travels to the left, the fewer rights the people have.  There is only one government on this political spectrum that has breaks.  Is is the only one that truly protects the rights of the people.  It is our Constitutional Republic.  I consider it at 30% on this spectrum (arguably).  It too drifts left, but we have the Constitution that limits abuse and keeps it from drifting.  Once in a while there is an event or a person that guides it back to the right, securing freedom for all.  That is Trump, but those that want to release the breaks are fighting him.  They were just one step from that happening under Clinton.  The people rose up in a mini-revolution.  That was the event that kept the breaks on.  Round two is coming up.

No. The Nazis were not socialists, and repeating this doesn't make it true. If your statement was true then the societies of Soviet Russia and Nazi Germany would be identical. They weren't.

The Nazis let people own, purchase and sell property. The Soviets didn't.

The Nazis let people own and run their own businesses. The Soviets didn't.

The Nazis gave big business a free hand. The Soviets didn't have big business.

Yes, they were both authoritarian societies. One was a right-wing authoritarian society. The other was a left-wing authoritarian society. But being authoritarian didn't make the Nazis socialist.

Yes, the USA is a great advertisement for freedom to people around the world. I'm grateful I live in a country in which the constitution was at least partly inspired by the American Constitution. But living in the USA means everyone gets freedom of speech, including the people you don't agree with.