Yowie researcher recalls his first encounter

[Jon the frog]

1 hour ago, acute said:

Don't diss the Papameter!  Some of us revere it. 

You just created a new religion, pagan fool ! lol !

[ChrLzs]

2 hours ago, XenoFish said:

I'm beginning to wonder if the "papa-meter" is just a clever troll. 

Well, 50% of that seems to apply..  but then i have to ask myself, if it's not out of cleverness, can it still be called trolling?

[XenoFish]

31 minutes ago, ChrLzs said:

Well, 50% of that seems to apply..  but then i have to ask myself, if it's not out of cleverness, can it still be called trolling?

I was trying to be 'polite'. 

[papageorge1]

3 hours ago, Trelane said:

Why is there nothing in the fossil record that supports the existence of the creature as described? To last this long and in the varied environments, there would have to be a sizeable breeding population. Those numbers would logically lead to a documented capture or killing by now. Alas, nothing exists but stories along with blurry and smudgy photos/videos.

I suspect they are not another regular species like known animals and are not full-time residents of our physical plane. You see them and then you can't. I understand this is a challenging concept called 'interdimensional'. 

[jethrofloyd]

It would be great if any of these creatures Yowie, Yeti, Almas, Bigfoot....existed. I would like it. But, realistically speaking there is no hard evidence to suport it. Just a stories.

[Stiff]

16 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

That 2.0 meter is really something sweet I think.  Confidence Level: BIAS

It does appear that you've jumped straight up to papameter 'Vista' edition.

[XenoFish]

4 hours ago, jethrofloyd said:

It would be great if any of these creatures Yowie, Yeti, Almas, Bigfoot....existed. I would like it. But, realistically speaking there is no hard evidence to suport it. Just a stories.

There are a lot of thing (creatures, spooks, etc) that would make life more interesting.

[Trelane]

10 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

I suspect they are not another regular species like known animals and are not full-time residents of our physical plane. You see them and then you can't. I understand this is a challenging concept called 'interdimensional'. 

@papageorge1, I have no issue and respect your opinion that the animal exists (as described). Slapping paranormal and unproven aspects as the reason why this animal and hard proof of its existence does not currently exist makes it pointless for me to discuss it then. That's an area that is equally unproven and I'm not going to entertain or debate those items.

Edited July 6, 2020 by Trelane

[Jaded1]

26 minutes ago, Trelane said:

@papageorge1, I have no issue and respect your opinion that the animal exists (as described). Slapping paranormal and unproven aspects as the reason why this animal and hard proof of its existence does not currently exist makes it pointless for me to discuss it then. That's an area that is equally unproven and I'm not going to entertain or debate those items.

I totally agree. It's all very "Nick Redfern-esque". His philosophy is that Nessie, Bigfoot, Mothman, etc. are all interdimensional entities. It's just a lazy, massive cop out with zero evidence.

[papageorge1]

23 minutes ago, Jaded1 said:

I totally agree. It's all very "Nick Redfern-esque". His philosophy is that Nessie, Bigfoot, Mothman, etc. are all interdimensional entities. It's just a lazy, massive cop out with zero evidence.

For example I consider Native American trackers claiming Sasquatch can vanish to be evidence (not proof). 

Edited July 6, 2020 by papageorge1

[csspwns]

On 7/5/2020 at 3:10 PM, papageorge1 said:

I am not sure I understand. It's leading to 100% something.

I'm saying that even with all this "evidence" there is still no conrete proof of anything related to Bigfoot related creatures even though the stories and sightings are prevelant in many different regions of the world. All hair samples, feces, body parts have came back as a known species or something other than "Bigfoot", footprint trails have never led to anything. With unsolved cases such as murders at least there is proof that the murders happened and for Tasmanian Tigers we know that they existed in the recent past, but in the case of "Bigfoot" it really seems like they're just stories. This is what I mean by 100% nothing. You saying "Bigfoot" may be paranormal is again backed by nothing proven and is about as valid as me saying "Bigfoot" can turn invisible by putting on an invisibility cloak which I know must exist from reading the Harry Potter series and "Bigfoot" has developed the technology but is hiding it from humans so we don't take it into consideration. Also I'm mainly arguing against your Papameter percentages not the existence of "Bigfoot."  

Edited July 7, 2020 by csspwns

[papageorge1]

34 minutes ago, csspwns said:

I'm saying that even with all this "evidence" there is still no conrete proof of anything related to Bigfoot related creatures even though the stories and sightings are prevelant in many different regions of the world. All hair samples, feces, body parts have came back as a known species or something other than "Bigfoot", footprint trails have never led to anything. With unsolved cases such as murders at least there is proof that the murders happened and for Tasmanian Tigers we know that they existed in the recent past, but in the case of "Bigfoot" it really seems like they're just stories. This is what I mean by 100% nothing. You saying "Bigfoot" may be paranormal is again backed by nothing proven and is about as valid as me saying "Bigfoot" can turn invisible by putting on an invisibility cloak which I know must exist from reading the Harry Potter series and "Bigfoot" has developed the technology but is hiding it from humans so we don't take it into consideration. Also I'm mainly arguing against your Papameter percentages not the existence of "Bigfoot."  

Well we disagree on the likely existence of Bigfoot and that's OK. Some counterpoints to the above:

The evidence on sample material is very controversial and not all agree there is nothing or even no DNA evidence of an unknown primate. There will be the endless back and forth on that.

I think the quantity, quality and consistency of Bigfoot stories (perhaps similar to ghost stories) is enough to make me believe right there that something unknown and real is likely going on.

As far as dimension shifting, I listen to Native American trackers that say these things can be tracked and disappear. Also with the incredible range of this creature (like about every state and province), the idea of a normal animal/human so thoroughly avoiding absolute detection becomes something that stretches credibility.

[psyche101]

On 7/6/2020 at 9:24 AM, acute said:

Don't diss the Papameter!  Some of us revere it. 

You deserve to be slapped in the head with a wet fish. 

[Matt221]

I broke my "ometer" trying to re calibrate it,it kept showing all the yeti biggie etc as total BS ............... i cant think for a moment why that is

[psyche101]

On 7/6/2020 at 3:08 PM, papageorge1 said:

I suspect they are not another regular species like known animals and are not full-time residents of our physical plane. You see them and then you can't. I understand this is a challenging concept called 'interdimensional'. 

Suspect that is more than brain vomit how? Interdimensional beings such as you refer to exist in fantasy and science fiction. In the real world, a dimension of a space is informally defined as the minimum number of coordinates needed to specify any point within it. Extra dimensions as predicted by QM are sub atomic. As such if your "interdimensional beings" existed how you describe them, we could only detect their effects, not the subject itself. 

If you're referring to science fiction and fantasy, then anything goes doesn't it?

This is why you should read non fiction books as well as the fantasy stuff idiots like Deepak Chopra make up. Then you would not openly appear as clueless as you do. 

[psyche101]

6 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

Well we disagree on the likely existence of Bigfoot and that's OK. Some counterpoints to the above:

The evidence on sample material is very controversial and not all agree there is nothing or even no DNA evidence of an unknown primate. There will be the endless back and forth on that.

I think the quantity, quality and consistency of Bigfoot stories (perhaps similar to ghost stories) is enough to make me believe right there that something unknown and real is likely going on.

As far as dimension shifting, I listen to Native American trackers that say these things can be tracked and disappear. Also with the incredible range of this creature (like about every state and province), the idea of a normal animal/human so thoroughly avoiding absolute detection becomes something that stretches credibility.

As unlikely as it is that Biff exists, it would be far more likely that bigfoot is a ninja rather than a fantasy/science fiction creature. 

How many reports of Buff are there? And how many claim magical vanishing skills? The claims always claim the alleged creature to be at great distance or maybe be at great speeds. Patty certainly didn't turn into a puff of smoke.

So much for quality and quantity. You are quite clearly ignoring the material supplied in claims for some silly personal idea. What percentage of reports indicate magical vanishing skills? 

[Piney]

8 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

As far as dimension shifting, I listen to Native American trackers that say these things can be tracked and disappear. Also with the incredible range of this creature (like about every state and province), the idea of a normal animal/human so thoroughly avoiding absolute detection becomes something that stretches credibility.

Which ones?

"Indian Country" is a small world and many of us know each other. 

[papageorge1]

6 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Suspect that is more than brain vomit how? Interdimensional beings such as you refer to exist in fantasy and science fiction. In the real world, a dimension of a space is informally defined as the minimum number of coordinates needed to specify any point within it. Extra dimensions as predicted by QM are sub atomic. As such if your "interdimensional beings" existed how you describe them, we could only detect their effects, not the subject itself. 

So every case of ghosts, Bigfoots, and etcetera disappearing must be 100% all hoax and misidentification. I would say at this point and beyond reasonable doubt that observation trumps your limited understanding of the universe.

[papageorge1]

6 hours ago, psyche101 said:

As unlikely as it is that Biff exists, it would be far more likely that bigfoot is a ninja rather than a fantasy/science fiction creature. 

How many reports of Buff are there? And how many claim magical vanishing skills? The claims always claim the alleged creature to be at great distance or maybe be at great speeds. Patty certainly didn't turn into a puff of smoke.

So much for quality and quantity. You are quite clearly ignoring the material supplied in claims for some silly personal idea. What percentage of reports indicate magical vanishing skills? 

The interdimensional argument comes from things like:

Native American trackers reporting that they can disappear 

Psychic sources I respect also report this ability in Bigfoot.

It is not unprecedented as so called ghosts, angels, whatever term have been many times claimed to appear and then disappear in a way not explainable physically. Other examples of interdimensional movement support the possibility of Bigfoot interdimensional transfer. 

The lack of a specimen for a creature with such range (almost every state and province and now Australia) makes something mysterious to our normal reality increasingly likely in my estimation.

 

 

 

[XenoFish]

[jethrofloyd]

1 hour ago, papageorge1 said:

So every case of ghosts, Bigfoots, and etcetera disappearing must be 100% all hoax and misidentification.

Papageorge you still don't seem to understand that this isn't 'Unexplained-Mysteries.com'. This is 'Debunked-Mysteries.com' site.

[tortugabob]

If he'd said, "I have seen one Yowie," he might be believably.  When he started talking about five or six of them circling around, all the while,wanting to kill him, my tortu-meter went to 11.  This guy is a bat****,crazy BS artist.

Edited July 8, 2020 by tortugabob

[Piney]

10 hours ago, papageorge1 said:

Native American trackers reporting that they can disappear 

Names? Links? 

[XenoFish]

7 minutes ago, Piney said:

Names? Links? 

You expecting a miracle to happen?

[papageorge1]

38 minutes ago, Piney said:

Names? Links? 

Have definitely heard it. Don’t register names as particularly important.