Trump vs Biden

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, skliss said:

There is no "spin". His wife...who knows him best...realized he was mind blipping and whispered "Trump" 3 times to help him out. There is no other possible conclusion.

I think you are right.

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, OverSword said:

And clearly wasn't talking about four more years of George Lopez.  Notably another interview by another not hard hitting celebrity that asks such not tough questions.

True enough.  I remember George  Lopez (not Bush) as a comic, not a journalist.  Rather like Trump calling in to Hannity.

[+DieChecker]

6 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Yet this says ....

As of October 2020, President Donald Trump's overall job approval has averaged 40%, the lowest average in recorded history.

https://en.m.wikipedia.org/wiki/United_States_presidential_approval_rating#President_Donald_Trump

This source seems to offer a different view?

While that is true. Other presidents, like George W Bush started at 90% and fell to 25%. Trump being static at 40%+ then shows exactly what i stated... That few if any Trump supporters from 2017 have left him. Trumps lowest rating at 35% is well above the lowest rating for numerous other presidents. Bush 2 = 25%, Bush 1 = 29%, Carter = 28%, Nixon = 22%....

(% above from your link)

Bat's statement is a emotional opinion based on local experiences, and my opinion is based on hundreds of polls added together to form a logical conclusion. 

[+DieChecker]

3 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

I think he was calling George by name and stalling to formulate an answer.

I thought that the George Lopez interview was a separate internet event. Was George still there at the press conference?

Looking into it... Appears it was during the George Lopez interview. So that does make more sense. Still it does appear he couldn't remember Trump's name, and was asking George for some kind of cue... A senior moment some people call it.

[+and-then]

6 hours ago, psyche101 said:

But then again, andthen sounds like he would crack champagne if civil war broke out. 

Nah... For me, that would be suicidal - alcoholic in recovery, dontcha know.  I've also had my hand slapped - recently - for speaking my mind about what may follow this election so I can't really go there.  Suffice to say that if the electoral result is so questionable that Trump supporters see evidence he was cheated,  well... I wouldn't expect a lot of congratulations to the senile old man or his choice for VP.  I do find it revealing that those who characterize my statements as you do, never seem to be willing to get into an explanation of why conflict might actually be justified.  Perhaps it's because folks like yourself cannot even imagine a situation where they would risk anything to stand against a government.  Wouldn't be "civilized" I guess.  To each his own.

[the13bats]

8 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

 

STrange you should think that way @the13bats. After all, it is the left-wing that threaten violence and riots, and NOT "Trump supporters". 

There are ample stories of Trump supporters being attacked and intimidated by 'the left', often incited by Democrat politicians,  but hardly ANY of 'Trump Supporters' attacking or intimidating their political opponents, or of Republicans inciting any such attacks. 

I find it just as odd trump worshippers ignore and make excuses for and blame others for all the division or people, hate and negativity trump spews, fans and spreads.

Edited October 27, 2020 by the13bats

[psyche101]

5 hours ago, DieChecker said:

While that is true. Other presidents, like George W Bush started at 90% and fell to 25%. Trump being static at 40%+ then shows exactly what i stated... That few if any Trump supporters from 2017 have left him. Trumps lowest rating at 35% is well above the lowest rating for numerous other presidents. Bush 2 = 25%, Bush 1 = 29%, Carter = 28%, Nixon = 22%....

(% above from your link)

Your stats show he has dropped 2% and had nowhere near the approval rating of the other presidents from the outset.

How does that not indicate the people who voted for him mostly stuck by him, except a few that dropped of? 

That's not hard to believe. Trump clearly appeals to a certain outdated mindset, Christian based gun nuts seem to love him. So do conspiracy nutters. He says what they want to hear, and that's a stable market. Selling yesterday to those living in the past was an easy target. So many lament 'the good old days' so he capitalised on that.

5 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Bat's statement is a emotional opinion based on local experiences, and my opinion is based on hundreds of polls added together to form a logical conclusion. 

Trump has advocated and been accused of infidelity, which you yourself said was a temptation that religion helps one abstain from, yet you overlook it for Trump. I don't think you have a moral high ground to chastise Bats from personally. The numbers above just show he found a certain market and can maintain it. It dies not show him to be of good character, nor does it illustrate approval of the majority. It shows he can sell stuff. 

[psyche101]

5 hours ago, and then said:

Nah... For me, that would be suicidal - alcoholic in recovery, dontcha know.  I've also had my hand slapped - recently - for speaking my mind about what may follow this election so I can't really go there.  Suffice to say that if the electoral result is so questionable that Trump supporters see evidence he was cheated,  well... I wouldn't expect a lot of congratulations to the senile old man or his choice for VP.  I do find it revealing that those who characterize my statements as you do, never seem to be willing to get into an explanation of why conflict might actually be justified.  Perhaps it's because folks like yourself cannot even imagine a situation where they would risk anything to stand against a government.  Wouldn't be "civilized" I guess.  To each his own.

Nope, I can't see a situation where one would have to stand against a government. That idea is hundreds of years old, it's outdated. This is 2020. The government would take you out sitting on your porch with guns all over your lap from hundreds of miles away.

It's like the clowns in here citing the fictional novel 1984 as a real possibility that people have to be vigilant against. Absolute stupidity.

It's a weak excuse to own heaps of deadly weaponry to tip the balance mentally in your favour. 

Definitely each to their own on that one. 

I saw how badly people reacted to Trump's win. Like I say, I find him repulsive but when the people speak, that has to be accepted. If he wins, the people have spoken and that's all there is to that equation. He is president elected no matter what people think. Protests don't change the past, once the votes are counted, that's game over. 

I hope you don't see the sort of bad public behaviour we saw when he won, but with guns if he lost. That would be a real tragedy for your country. Like I say, can't stand the guy, but I can't stand bad losers even worse though. 

I suppose that's another reason it's hard to see that government excuse as valid. I don't see that level of bad behaviour here after election time. We accept it for what it is. Fair's fair is a common concept here. 

[Thurnis Hayley]

On 10/27/2020 at 4:52 PM, the13bats said:

I find it just as odd trump worshippers ignore and make excuses for and blame others for all the division or people, hate and negativity trump spews, fans and spreads.

typical hypocrite - deflect and blame game - accuse other side of the exact thing your party is guilty of across the board, ignore facts, can't provide any of your own, pure accusation with 0 substance. not much different than fake news CNN - in fact maybe they'd have a job for you the type of dramatic victim you portray fits their narrative perfectly.

give examples instead of just running your mouth - hate and negativity how? can you provide any actual evidence? Personally I get sick of people who live in forums and harass anyone who has a different opinion then come up with blind hate rhetoric as an excuse.

[Thurnis Hayley]

On 10/27/2020 at 5:08 AM, the13bats said:

I pretty much ignored politics all my life until the circus trump turned it into,

I live in florida and saw the tide of older folks like at the villages turn in 4 from loving to hating don, 

You cant go by the few blind angry trump worshippers on here, dons in trouble.

 

https://joeisdone.github.io/florida/

sleepy joe sniffles ain't winning florida.

dont be delusional nobody is judging wether he will win or lose by anything on this forum.

already calling your next move - "immediately googles joe biden polls florida" "cut and pastes link to biased poll expecting anyone to be phased"

yeah the fact that you 'pretty much ignored politics all your life' is showing, clearly.

[+Hammerclaw]

[+Hammerclaw]

[psyche101]

[acidhead]

Trump rally somewhere in America today

 

[the13bats]

1 hour ago, acidhead said:

Trump rally somewhere in America today

 

If you look just right you can see the covid spreading.

[bee]

On 10/27/2020 at 2:56 PM, skliss said:

There is no "spin". His wife...who knows him best...realized he was mind blipping and whispered "Trump" 3 times to help him out. There is no other possible conclusion. Does everyone have a mind blip occasionally? Yes. But Biden has them every day in every speech. Ya know, watching him this morning, stumbling thru the few words he said in PA yesterday was sad. Referring to his notes constantly.  He's not up for this, in fact as in poor health as Clinton was she seemed stronger than this Joe. Can you imagine him talking to and hard lining heads of state?

Meanwhile Trump is doing off the cuff up to 4 rallies a day, joking and talking for 90 mins at a time and was still able to make it back to DC and give an intro for the ACB swearing. 

The contrast is stark!

 

re bolded above.....

clearly he gets into difficulties speaking coherently and remembering names ......

the way on this clip he suddenly comes out with the name Angela Merkel after fumbling around looks like he was prompted in an ear piece .... which is ok occasionally but imagine what a nightmare he is for his team of handlers when he could make an embarrassing mistake at any moment - 

 

 

Joe Biden struggles to remember Angela Merkel's name

 

[skliss]

1 hour ago, bee said:

 

re bolded above.....

clearly he gets into difficulties speaking coherently and remembering names ......

the way on this clip he suddenly comes out with the name Angela Merkel after fumbling around looks like he was prompted in an ear piece .... which is ok occasionally but imagine what a nightmare he is for his team of handlers when he could make an embarrassing mistake at any moment - 

 

 

Joe Biden struggles to remember Angela Merkel's name

 

"Angola" he came up with eventually ....yet the lie they are hiding him from covid instead of from potential voters is still accepted. I have to wonder if privately his voters know he's not up to this. 

[stevewinn]

5 hours ago, acidhead said:

Trump rally somewhere in America today

 

Western leaders must be so envious of Trump, just look at them crowds, hundreds, maybe thousands attending rallies, - Western leaders couldn't even get 10 people to attend their speeches.

The world needs Trump to be re-elected, as he breaks the status quo, otherwise were going to be left to the mercy of a  global elite are trying to make one size fit all around the world via international bodies. WTO, Central Banks, the EU, the UN etc – Trump pushes back against all this no wonder he hated by these global elites and revered by the People. truly hope he wins the election or god help us all.

 

[ExpandMyMind]

19 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Western leaders must be so envious of Trump, just look at them crowds, hundreds, maybe thousands attending rallies, - Western leaders couldn't even get 10 people to attend their speeches.

The world needs Trump to be re-elected, as he breaks the status quo, otherwise were going to be left to the mercy of a  global elite are trying to make one size fit all around the world via international bodies. WTO, Central Banks, the EU, the UN etc – Trump pushes back against all this no wonder he hated by these global elites and revered by the People. truly hope he wins the election or god help us all.

 

You're a ****ing nutjob mate.

[stevewinn]

3 minutes ago, ExpandMyMind said:

You're a ****ing nutjob mate.

[ExpandMyMind]

2 hours ago, stevewinn said:

I'm laughing at ye buddy, not angry with you.

[RavenHawk]

Numbers are out.  3rd Quarter GDP growth = 33.1%.  Record recovery after record contraction.  Q4 is expected to be at least just as good.  If the economy wasn't as strong as Trump had made it, we wouldn't be able to take this hit.  Jobs are coming along, just not as fast.  Now we just need to get the Dems to pass a payroll stimulus package sans pet pork.

 

[+DieChecker]

On 10/27/2020 at 4:10 PM, psyche101 said:

Your stats show he has dropped 2% and had nowhere near the approval rating of the other presidents from the outset.

How does that not indicate the people who voted for him mostly stuck by him, except a few that dropped of? 

That's not hard to believe. Trump clearly appeals to a certain outdated mindset, Christian based gun nuts seem to love him. So do conspiracy nutters. He says what they want to hear, and that's a stable market. Selling yesterday to those living in the past was an easy target. So many lament 'the good old days' so he capitalised on that.

it wasn't me that said buckets of people were leaving. I was pointing out the opposite. Sounds like you agree.

I didnt say Trump was well loved, but only that his supporters haven't fallen away in droves as Bats was suggesting.

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Trump has advocated and been accused of infidelity, which you yourself said was a temptation that religion helps one abstain from, yet you overlook it for Trump. I don't think you have a moral high ground to chastise Bats from personally. The numbers above just show he found a certain market and can maintain it. It dies not show him to be of good character, nor does it illustrate approval of the majority. It shows he can sell stuff.

I didnt claim any moral high ground, but only that Trump is more likely to take actions that I favor, over actions Biden is expected to take. I dont dislike Biden, I simply don't agree with his medium left position. And if there's no Center position, who can I then vote for?

I'm not sure Biden is so much more moral then Trump is. He also has accusations of various sorts... Sexual harassment, financial corruption, groping children... 

Let's have a three year investigation, as with Trump, and see if some big issues dont turn up....

[+DieChecker]

6 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Numbers are out.  3rd Quarter GDP growth = 33.1%.  Record recovery after record contraction.  Q4 is expected to be at least just as good.  If the economy wasn't as strong as Trump had made it, we wouldn't be able to take this hit.  Jobs are coming along, just not as fast.  Now we just need to get the Dems to pass a payroll stimulus package sans pet pork.

Pelosi has sold out to too many people. She has to deliver that pork, or she's going to be made into pork rinds. The super cushy retirements of millions of citizens of California and New York, need monster bail outs... Immediately...

[RavenHawk]

Seems like people are getting curious about how they can change their vote.  If I were to guess, it's mostly those that voted for Biden that want to change their vote rather than the other way around.

https://nypost.com/2020/10/26/early-voters-want-to-change-vote-after-hunter-biden-exposes/