AATIP head: 'Pentagon has more evidence'

[UM-Bot]

The former head of the US government's secretive UFO research program has recently spoken out.

https://www.unexplained-mysteries.com/news/338115/aatip-head-pentagon-has-more-evidence

[Vorg]

In the video they call it a drone, but from where? The Pentagon calls this encounter "unidentified" and the RIO (radar Intercept Officer) says  "There's a whole fleet of them, look on the ASA." - active electronically scanned array (AESA)

Probably based on this aircrafts location, and having "a fleet of them" might rule out a foreign nations drones and the smaller size of these would disallow their location based on fuel requirements. Truly unidentified as to who, and from where.

[Hazzard]

The Pentagon is still in possession of a lot more evidence of unidentified aerial phenomena. 

 

Is it just me, or does this mean absolutely nothing?!! 

[Vorg]

12 minutes ago, Hazzard said:

The Pentagon is still in possession of a lot more evidence of unidentified aerial phenomena. 

 

Is it just me, or does this mean absolutely nothing?!! 

It means nothing. If they release those and they show impossible speeds, maneuvers, rate of climb, things like that, then maybe it will mean something.

[Space Commander Travis]

They have plenty of evidence, they just don't have a clue what it's evidence of.

Which could be a parable for government as a whole couldn't it.

[ExoPaul]

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Edited July 11, 2020 by ExoPaul

[Piney]

Luis Elizondo was never the head of the AATIP. He is/was/ Chris Mellon's bodyguard and a lying fraud.

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/

[godnodog]

3 hours ago, Montmorency the Dog said:

They have plenty of evidence, they just don't have a clue what it's evidence of.

Which could be a parable for government as a whole couldn't it.

agreed, I keep saying this, they can't say its aliens or whatever, radar and or visual evidences only proves the existence of the phenomenons and the description of some capabilitie, it does not proves origin, etc, unless they manage to capture one, they might....might....say something.

Edited July 11, 2020 by godnodog

[Vorg]

Here is a scientific forensic analysis of the whole encounter. Ships logs, radar analysis, witness accounts, FOIA request, etc.. Unbelievable amount of data, and a very good read. 270 pages. The PDF will expand for easier reading by clicking the square with the arrow in it. Ships logs backup pilots statements and vice versa.

https://www.theufochronicles.com/2019/04/forensic-analysis-of-navy-carriers-ufo-encounter.html

“They [the “Tic-Tac”] shouldn’t have known where it was. And that was the
bizzareness of it. How the hell did it know where the CAP station was? I mean
it was right on it. Directly on it. Not close by, but on it. On that point in
space.”

 

Edited July 11, 2020 by South Alabam

[Hankenhunter]

I get to say I told you so. In the other thread I questioned that the shown video was the only footage. I remember the fellow in the radar room saying there was much better footage, but was taken away immediately by security, and put on a special chopper.

[DreadLordAvatar]

Elizondo is a fraud and a gold digger.

[Piney]

1 hour ago, South Alabam said:

https://www.theufochronicles.com/2019/04/forensic-analysis-of-navy-carriers-ufo-encounter.html

Looking at the list of scientists of the SCU, some questionable. I don't see anybody who qualified to examine any radar images or identify what they are. 

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Mr. Thomas McNear, Army Intelligence Officer

And there is no DD4 or DD214 for this guy, but maybe @Manwon Lender or @Trelane can check my information. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

Looking at the list of scientists of the SCU, some questionable. I don't see anybody who qualified to examine any radar images or identify what they are. 

And there is no DD4 or DD214 for this guy, but maybe @Manwon Lender or @Trelane can check my information. 

I will see what I can find out, it may take a little time though. But if the information turns out be classified I will not be able to help. I have no more access to this kind of information than anyone else here would.

[Trelane]

2 hours ago, Piney said:

Looking at the list of scientists of the SCU, some questionable. I don't see anybody who qualified to examine any radar images or identify what they are. 

And there is no DD4 or DD214 for this guy, but maybe @Manwon Lender or @Trelane can check my information. 

If he was ever at the pentagon it would be surprising. No Naval or Air Force aviators that I know have ever met him. He was never present at any security threat briefs that I attended.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, Trelane said:

If he was ever at the pentagon it would be surprising. No Naval or Air Force aviators that I know have ever met him. He was never present at any security threat briefs that I attended.

@Piney  Here is why you may not have met him, look what education consists of in the link below. Now I don't know if any of this accurate, but without much searching this is what I have found.

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSsi1OMW1LFzDru8IPRBw2K5OrbZbxniKtvaGaneGi_Iug1uh-JS4rDMh93PzET_gUP5MSVr1XV5hoj/pubhtml

Edited July 12, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[ufoguy]

The truth will be revealed when the time comes. Some ufos are alien space craft.

[OpenMindedSceptic]

This is yet another drip feed of UFO related stories that are being released because the wider acknowledgement that there is something up there that isn't man made is getting stronger. 

[Vorg]

1 hour ago, ufoguy said:

The truth will be revealed when the time comes. Some ufos are alien space craft.

Almost no doubt. Here are snippets based from different readings within this report.

 

ACCELERATION, SPEED, AND POWER CALCULATIONS BASED ON RADAR OBSERVATIONS
Parabolic Velocity tm = 0.78sec 115,000 ft/sec or 78,409 mph 592,000ft/sec2 or 18,385 g’s 3.26 x 1012 ft-lb/sec or 4.44 x 103
Acceleration : 592,000ft/sec2 or 18,385 g’s

 

ACCELERATION, SPEED, AND POWER CALCULATIONS BASED ON BLIND POINT DISTANCE (BPD)
The velocity is large but it is the acceleration that is phenomenal and from equation 8.0 below A(t) = 4Xm / ( tm)
2 so we can calculate A(t) = 4 x 60,000 ft / (6 sec)2 as we are assuming a maximum tm of 6 sec so we get A(t) = 6,666.67 ft/sec2. 
 Earth's gravity of 1g = 32.2 ft/sec2 so this equates to 6,666.67 ft/sec2 / 32.2 ft/sec2 = 207.04 g’s. If tm = 0.78 sec (assuming a minimum tm) we get A(t) = 4 x 60,000 ft /
(.78 sec)2=  394,477 ft/sec2 which equates to 12,250 g’s.

 

A VIDEO ANALYSIS 
Acceleration Estimates for the Event of Frames 2155 to 2157 The “Rifle Shot Acceleration”
Conservatively, the acceleration estimates were between 2,270 and 4,540 g-forces.
That was from 3 frames the object was in view and accelerated out of the HUD. The pilot reported it vanished in one second due to its speed.

These analysis have minimum and maximum charts that differ based on the estimated size of the object, but the BPD G forces (above) 12,250 g’s.  is about the same as a 5.56 NATO bullet rounds initial acceleration of 12353 G’s.

Edited July 12, 2020 by South Alabam

[Unusual Tournament]

9 hours ago, Piney said:

Luis Elizondo was never the head of the AATIP. He is/was/ Chris Mellon's bodyguard and a lying fraud.

https://theintercept.com/2019/06/01/ufo-unidentified-history-channel-luis-elizondo-pentagon/

I really don't know how you can say that Luis Elizondo wasn't the head of the Pentagon UFO program when all the major news outlets say he was and the Pentagon has never denied it.

Intelligence officer Luis Elizondo served as the former director of the Pentagon's Advanced Aerospace Threat Identification Program (AATIP), an initiative launched in 2007 to study reports of UFO encounters. Elizondo departed the Pentagon in 2017; that year, he spoke with reporters at The New York Times, confirming the existence of the shadowy agency and describing its mission.

https://www.livescience.com/65596-ufo-pentagon-history-channel.html

[Unusual Tournament]

5 hours ago, Trelane said:

If he was ever at the pentagon it would be surprising. No Naval or Air Force aviators that I know have ever met him. He was never present at any security threat briefs that I attended.

I doubt that intelligence officers have much to do with the janitor. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

@Piney @Trelane Ok guys this is what I have found so far on Thomas McNear, see below:

The document below gave me the information I needed to do a little searching, the link below Identifies him as LTC and a Security Specialist with a local of Seaford, Virginia. 

https://docs.google.com/spreadsheets/d/e/2PACX-1vSsi1OMW1LFzDru8IPRBw2K5OrbZbxniKtvaGaneGi_Iug1uh-JS4rDMh93PzET_gUP5MSVr1XV5hoj/pubhtml

The above information gave me a lead on him as a retired LTC, who was reporting to an assignment as a Security Specialist to ARTPC /TRADOC, so it appears he was at the Pentagon. This information is located on the first page of the document on the lower right side: http://www.dami.army.pentagon.mil/site/SETA/Newsletters/Oct 2009.pdf

Now his next assignment is very interesting and it is starting to get weird, here he is assigned to the International Remote Viewing Association ( IRVA ) is a Non-Profit Organization. He was the first member of the Army Star Gate Program where he worked from 1981 to 1985 and where he achieved Stage 6 in the program and began to evolve into Stage 7. https://www.irva.org/conferences/speakers/mcnear.html

Here is another link to an Organization IRVA----HTLV  and I don't think it applies but this is a little weird because it doesnt apply to remote Viewing but what it does apply to is interesting:https://htlv.net/what-is-irva

If you are interested in the International Remote Viewing Association they are having an online conference that you can apply for, the conference will take place on 18 - 19 July 2020 all you need to do to go to the site and register:http://www.irvaconference.org/

Last here is a link to the IRVA Library where there are free resources that you can use: https://www.irva.org/library/index.html

So guys this Mr. Thomas McNeal has an interesting back ground, the organization IRVA is something I am not sure I want anything further to do with. This little journey today has been interesting but as far as tracking this situation any farther I am done, if you want to know why, send me a private message.

Roger Out!!!!!!!!!

 

Edited July 12, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[Piney]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

Now his next assignment is very interesting and it is starting to get weird, here he is assigned to the International Remote Viewing Association ( IRVA ) is a Non-Profit Organization. He was the first member of the Army Star Gate Program where he worked from 1981 to 1985 and where he achieved Stage 6 in the program and began to evolve into Stage 7. https://www.irva.org/conferences/speakers/mcnear.html

Star Gate was a flop with no successes. So I'm calling B.S. on his abilities and the whole org. itself. 

If remote viewing worked we would of found Bin Laden and all ISIL leaders pretty fast 

As for a Security Specialist that could be anything from a MP or SP that directs guard positions to a military MMA instructor.  

I was on Militiary.com actually looking for his existence.  

[Piney]

2 hours ago, Captain Risky said:

I really don't know how you can say that Luis Elizondo wasn't the head of the Pentagon UFO program when all the major news outlets say he was and the Pentagon has never denied it.

I'm sure the Puzzle Palace is enjoying a good laugh too. It keeps the public distracted from their real greasiness. 

I just know he applied with Erik Prince's company and my employer and was told get lost. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

47 minutes ago, Piney said:

Star Gate was a flop with no successes. So I'm calling B.S. on his abilities and the whole org. itself. 

If remote viewing worked we would of found Bin Laden and all ISIL leaders pretty fast 

As for a Security Specialist that could be anything from a MP or SP that directs guard positions to a military MMA instructor.  

I was on Militiary.com actually looking for his existence.  

He was not an MP or an SP, take a look at the information I provided he tells you what his job was at the Pentagon, look on the first page in the link below in the lower right corner.

http://www.dami.army.pentagon.mil/site/SETA/Newsletters/Oct 2009.pdf

[Piney]

Just now, Manwon Lender said:

He was not an MP or an SP, take a look at the information I provided he tells you what his job was at the Pentagon, look on the first page in the link below in the lower right corner.

I caught it. The coffee is finally sinking in. 

Bob Horvath was one of my language instructors, unless there's another one running around.