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Trump Blocks COVID Data Reporting To CDC

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Manwon Lender

Here is the biggest problem with the information I have included below. If this does occur the American public will no longer receive accurate information concerning infection rates and death tolls Nationwide. This move is sponsored by the President himself so that he can control all information that is being released to the media, which in turn is used to keep the American public up to date on the on going health crisis caused by the COVID19 Pandemic. This action will cripple the CDC and other health care providers Nationwide, this is also designed to stop doctors like Dr. Fauci from giving  accurate and up to date information to help the American public stay informed and better protect themselves from false information. This move has been intentionally pushed forward by the President to confuse the current situation in our country.

This move by the current administration is no different than other attempts the President has made to silence the media that opposes him. Technically if this is allowed to happen it is a violation of the First Amendment Right of free speech. because effective accurate information can no longer be passed to the American public because after the information is passed to HHS it is no longer authorize for public release. All information that is released will be controlled and manipulated to fit the agenda of President Trump, so that he can continue to press that agenda to open the Nations Schools, and to down play the serious nature of the Pandemic. However, there is still hope that this latest move will not happen, Rep. Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn.), chairwoman of the House Budget Committee’s subcommittee that funds HHS, issued a statement accusing the department of acting “in direct violation with the law” by ordering hospitals to bypass the CDC in reporting coronavirus data.

This issue will not go quietly into the night, like the Trump administration would like it to, before this violation of the law is allowed to take place it will end up in the courts where hopefully this issue will die. But, even if doesnt the house subcommittee can still stop funding to the HHS as a last resort. One other issue that go's along with the White Houses attacks on Dr. Fauci, is elevating Dr. Brix to become the Coordinator for this new program. Like I have been saying for sometime she is the Presidents Lapdog, and she will do whatever it takes to please him and further his agenda. 

Information from media sources that is being currently published online:

As of 15 July 2020, according to memorandum issued by The Department of Health and Human Services ( HHC ) hospitals are no longer allowed to send their COVID19 data to the CDC.  This memorandum is dated 10 July 2020, but what I find interesting is that it isn't signed, and it doesnt even say who produced it in its header, here is a link to the actual document :https://www.hhs.gov/sites/default/files/covid-19-faqs-hospitals-hospital-laboratory-acute-care-facility-data-reporting.pdf "  

So the question is first is legal, second will hospitals and states comply with these instructions. In addition President Trump is asking Governors to consider sending the National Guard to hospitals to help improve data collection about novel Coronavirus Patients,  supplies and capacity, according to a letter, internal emails and officials familiar with the plans. HHS Secretary Alex Azar and Deborah Birx, the response coordinator, say they ordered the changes because some hospitals have failed to report the information daily or completely.

That portrayal, and the involvement of the National Guard, have infuriated hospital industry leaders, who say any data collection problems lie primarily with HHS and repeatedly shifting federal instructions. Under the reporting system that is ending, about 3,000 hospitals — or the health systems that own them — send detailed information about covid-19 patients and other metrics to the CDC’s long-standing hospital network, the National Healthcare Safety Network, or NHSN.

Where CDC staff analyze the data and provide tailored reports to every state twice a week and multiple federal agencies every day, according to a federal health official who spoke on the condition of anonymity to discuss policy deliberations. Tuesday evening, Rep. Rosa L. DeLauro (D-Conn.), chairwoman of the House Budget Committee’s subcommittee that funds HHS, issued a statement accusing the department of acting “in direct violation with the law” by ordering hospitals to bypass the CDC in reporting coronavirus data.

“HHS has been operating as a dangerous, political apparatus and cannot be trusted to share accurate hospital information with Congress and the American public,” DeLauro said.

This topic needs attention, and we must keep it updated because the repercussions of this will effect every American.

Below are links to this topic:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/health/2020/07/13/trump-administration-recommend-national-guard-an-option-help-hospitals-report-covid-19-data/

https://www.forbes.com/sites/brucelee/2020/07/14/trump-administration-to-hospitals-dont-send-covid-19-coronavirus-data-to-cdc/#1d6b0d6f60f8

https://www.thestreet.com/mishtalk/economics/trump-strips-cdc-of-control-of-coronavirus-data

https://fox5sandiego.com/news/coronavirus/covid-19-hospital-data-will-be-sent-to-dc-instead-of-cdc-hhs-confirms/

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Manwon Lender
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1 hour ago, and then said:

Thanks for your but with out any content it defeats the purpose. So here is information you may or may not be aware of, but I think you should be

Why would you use the below media source:???

Your Link above for the Geller Report. This source is Extreme Far Right Bias, and below is how it is identified by a simple Factcheck for Media Bias:

Reasoning: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda, Anti-Islam, Fake News, Failed Fact Checks

Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180

Link for Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/

Why would you use the below media source??? 

Your link for the Canadafreepress. This source is Known for Extreme Far Right Bias, below is the factcheck for Media Bias;

Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Some Fake News
Country: Canada
World Press Freedom Rank: Canada 16/180

Link for Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/canada-free-press/

 Why would you use the below media source???

Your Link for the Spectator.org: This site is considered Far Right bias, below is the factcheck for Media Bias.

Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 48/180

Link for source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-spectator/

I dont really get it,  do you ever check the sources you post to back up your comments, it's pretty bad when 3 out 5 sources are worthless. I would consider this in the future when post information to back up your comments, seriously.:)

I would like to ask what is your point in this post, I dont really understand how it applies to this thread, I would appreciate it if you could break it down for a dumb old man like me. :)

 

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Manwon Lender

For some reason I can not fathom, Television News Sources are not talking about the fact that the CDC will no longer be sent COVID19 data. All data will be sent to HHS and no longer will be allowed for public release, which means that none of the media sources will be able to report the facts and figures concerning the rising cases from the Pandemic or the death tolls. Now the President will have complete control of the narrative, which simple means all honest reporting of facts and figures has come to end.

Below is a video that briefly talks about the CDC no longer receiving this information.

 

This is the end -- of every thing the end -- of all honest reporting the end -- I no will never see a fact again!!!!!!!:no::td:

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Setton
4 hours ago, and then said:

This would be the Dr Annie Bukacek who founded the rather dodgy Hosanna Health Care centre and puts her religion before her medical knowledge, yes?

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Manwon Lender
7 minutes ago, Setton said:

This would be the Dr Annie Bukacek who founded the rather dodgy Hosanna Health Care centre and puts her religion before her medical knowledge, yes?

Yes that's her and like I identified above she is no better the bogus links he posted, I dont know what these people are thinking!!:no:

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3 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

I dont really get it,  do you ever check the sources you post to back up your comments, it's pretty bad when 3 out 5 sources are worthless. I would consider this in the future when post information to back up your comments, seriously

So why do you use vox, salon, cnn and myriad of other left leaning sources. Do you fact check them? NO.

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17 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

So why do you use vox, salon, cnn and myriad of other left leaning sources. Do you fact check them? NO.

I have fact checked everyone of them, none of them are listed as Conspiracy, Propaganda, Anti-Islam, Fake News, Failed Fact Check, the only thing they all have in common is center to Left leaning, however, they all report factual information!! So obviously you have never factchecked yourself, so why do you come making yourself look foolish, is accidental or you just can help it?  So we have Andthen using these false propaganda sources, and we have your other Buddy Hacktorp using Russian Propaganda and Conspiracy  sources, is this something all you trump supporters do.

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stereologist
6 hours ago, and then said:

Using a wacko like Bukacek is a joke. She is an anti-vaxxer well separated from evidence based medicine. 

Link 1: From March is an initial statement that says people die from COVID-19 if they have other factors such as diabetes.

Link 2: Thankful that the death rate in the US is not as high as that in Italy.

Link 3: A poorly written opinion of no value. Clearly written by someone with no clue as how medicine is done.

Link 4: Elon Musk's tweet. Who cares. Not based on evidence.

Link 5: Another pathetic opinion piece. Not based on evidence.

What do you think all of that adds up to? Most of it is old. The rest is trash opinion pieces. The opinion trash all mentions Bukacek as if that loon has any standing.

 

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stereologist
1 hour ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

So why do you use vox, salon, cnn and myriad of other left leaning sources. Do you fact check them? NO.

I looked at all of the articles. They were old and the headlines were not supported by the facts, what little was there. Most of the articles were old and are not supported by current results. 

This is a novel disease. There is limited information at all times including right now. The president of the US appears to be trying to hide information from the public. Why? I suppose he wants to avoid being seen as the abject failure he is.

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The argument over the numbers is almost always done by those with a political bent. It is also done by dummies that think they are smarter than the specialists who deal with this. Instead of looking to see how numbers are formed they pretend they know more than the experts.

The issue is of course what does a number represent. I doubt any of the Trumpians can tell us what a number represents. They think they do without looking up a number. That makes their argument a straw man argument. They think they are slaying an argument, but in fact are almost always completely clueless about what the number represents.

Why do people engage in loudly revealing their ignorance in such a manner? Here it is about politics. In other cases it might be about their wallets. There are plenty of reasons people engage in such behavior, but here we can be fairly certain it is all about the politics.

Trump wants to hide the data. He wants people to misunderstand the measures of the disease in order not to look like the failure he is.

The funny part is that the answer to the meaning of the numbers has already been posted in this thread by Manwon Lender. Have any Trumpians read it?

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31 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The argument over the numbers is almost always done by those with a political bent. It is also done by dummies that think they are smarter than the specialists who deal with this. Instead of looking to see how numbers are formed they pretend they know more than the experts.

The issue is of course what does a number represent. I doubt any of the Trumpians can tell us what a number represents. They think they do without looking up a number. That makes their argument a straw man argument. They think they are slaying an argument, but in fact are almost always completely clueless about what the number represents.

Why do people engage in loudly revealing their ignorance in such a manner? Here it is about politics. In other cases it might be about their wallets. There are plenty of reasons people engage in such behavior, but here we can be fairly certain it is all about the politics.

Trump wants to hide the data. He wants people to misunderstand the measures of the disease in order not to look like the failure he is.

The funny part is that the answer to the meaning of the numbers has already been posted in this thread by Manwon Lender. Have any Trumpians read it?

https://justthenews.com/politics-policy/coronavirus/florida-lab-admits-its-covid-positivity-rate-was-inflated-90

https://www.fox35orlando.com/news/fox-35-investigates-florida-department-of-health-says-some-labs-have-not-reported-negative-covid-19-results

https://duckduckgo.com/?t=ffsb&q=covid+numbers+being+counted+wrong&ia=web

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When people post a link and cannot explain why they posted the link it is clear to me that they don't understand what they are posting.

In the recent post by Buzz_light_year none of the links addressed what I stated except where I stated "The argument over the numbers is almost always done by those with a political bent. "

 

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Posted (edited)
3 minutes ago, stereologist said:

When people post a link and cannot explain why they posted the link it is clear to me that they don't understand what they are posting.

In the recent post by Buzz_light_year none of the links addressed what I stated except where I stated "The argument over the numbers is almost always done by those with a political bent. "

 

Of course it's clear to you. :rolleyes:

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I get a bit of laughter which is kind of you. What I did not receive was an answer an adult would have provided.

Maybe the failure to state why the links were used is too hard a problem for some to solve.

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5 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Thanks for your but with out any content it defeats the purpose. So here is information you may or may not be aware of, but I think you should be

Why would you use the below media source:???

Your Link above for the Geller Report. This source is Extreme Far Right Bias, and below is how it is identified by a simple Factcheck for Media Bias:

Reasoning: Extreme Right, Conspiracy, Propaganda, Anti-Islam, Fake News, Failed Fact Checks

Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 45/180

Link for Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/geller-report/

And yet her basic thesis in the article - that death certificates are listing Covid-19 as a cause of death (and hence are incorporated into the national Covid death statistics) even when Covid was an auxillary issue, and not the primary cause of death - seems to be true ? 

5 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

Why would you use the below media source??? 

Your link for the Canadafreepress. This source is Known for Extreme Far Right Bias, below is the factcheck for Media Bias;

Reasoning: Extreme Right, Propaganda, Conspiracy, Some Fake News
Country: Canada
World Press Freedom Rank: Canada 16/180

Link for Source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/canada-free-press/

And yet - curiously - the article is true (albeit somewhat sensationalised). 

5 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

 Why would you use the below media source???

Your Link for the Spectator.org: This site is considered Far Right bias, below is the factcheck for Media Bias.

Factual Reporting: MIXED
Country: USA
World Press Freedom Rank: USA 48/180

Link for source: https://mediabiasfactcheck.com/american-spectator/

And yet - curiously - the article is broadly correct. The Media ARE (or rather, WHERE back in April when the article was written) taking a sensationalist "maximise the deaths... the end of the world is nigh" approach. 

So you see, just because "Mediabiasfactcheck" classes somebody as "far right", does not mean that they can be lightly dismissed ? 

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9 minutes ago, stereologist said:

I get a bit of laughter which is kind of you. What I did not receive was an answer an adult would have provided.

Maybe the failure to state why the links were used is too hard a problem for some to solve.

Well I kinda thought that just reading the URL would of been enough of an explanation. Obviously I was in error.

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10 minutes ago, RoofGardener said:

And yet her basic thesis in the article - that death certificates are listing Covid-19 as a cause of death (and hence are incorporated into the national Covid death statistics) even when Covid was an auxillary issue, and not the primary cause of death - seems to be true ? 

And yet - curiously - the article is true (albeit somewhat sensationalised). 

And yet - curiously - the article is broadly correct. The Media ARE (or rather, WHERE back in April when the article was written) taking a sensationalist "maximise the deaths... the end of the world is nigh" approach. 

So you see, just because "Mediabiasfactcheck" classes somebody as "far right", does not mean that they can be lightly dismissed ? 

No. Her claim is patently false. You would know that if you read the reporting guidelines.

No. The article is false. You know that if you looked for the evidence which is not there.

No. Maybe you are using a different meaning for the term "broadly correct"

Can you give us examples of what you think are from these articles?

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stereologist
3 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

Well I kinda thought that just reading the URL would of been enough of an explanation. Obviously I was in error.

So you didn't bother to read the material to see how mistaken you are. Well done. Well done.

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Here is junk reporting from the Spectator article:

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We have reason to believe that these policies are succeeding in that regard, and something else may explain why we may be averting the “apex” crisis: chloroquine. The anti-malarial drug which Trump famously touted as a “game-changer” in the fight against coronavirus is now being prescribed to thousands of patients, and anecdotal reports indicate that the drug is effective. The number of COVID-19 hospitalizations may have been reduced by this treatment and, if so, chloroquine was probably a variable not factored into the models that projected a shortage of ventilators and ICU beds.

Here we see the typical clueless writing we expect from a political article.

  1. It is promoting an untried drug without known efficacy in treating COVID-19.
  2. It brings up this game changer statement which was a huge mistake on the part of Trump just like his suggestion maybe he should be taking insulin.
  3. It properly reports that there are only stories suggesting that HCQ does anything.
  4. It goes on to suggest that it works. There has never been any proper study showing it works - not then and not even today.

 

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RoofGardener
7 minutes ago, stereologist said:

No. Her claim is patently false. You would know that if you read the reporting guidelines.

No. The article is false. You know that if you looked for the evidence which is not there.

No. Maybe you are using a different meaning for the term "broadly correct"

Can you give us examples of what you think are from these articles?

Hmm... OK... 

The Geller Article cites Dr Birx, a member of the Covid Task Force, in a press conference: 

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": DR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."

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In what way is Geller's claim false, in the light of that ? 

 

b*****.. it's time for me to go home. I'll continue later. 

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1 minute ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm... OK... 

The Geller Article cites Dr Birx, a member of the Covid Task Force, in a press conference: 

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": DR. DEBORAH BIRX: So, I think in this country we've taken a very liberal approach to mortality. And I think the reporting here has been pretty straightforward over the last five to six weeks. Prior to that when there wasn't testing in January and February that's a very different situation and unknown.

There are other countries that if you had a preexisting condition and let's say the virus caused you to go to the ICU and then have a heart or kidney problem some countries are recording as a heart issue or a kidney issue and not a COVID-19 death. Right now we are still recording it and we will I mean the great thing about having forms that come in and a form that has the ability to market as COVID-19 infection the intent is right now that those if someone dies with COVID-19 we are counting that as a COVID-19 death."

___________________________

In what way is Geller's claim false, in the light of that ? 

 

b*****.. it's time for me to go home. I'll continue later. 

Glad you finally picked out something to discuss.

Here is the problem. That is not in the Geller article.

https://gellerreport.com/2020/04/coronavirus-death-numbers-fraud.html/

 

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Is trump the HHS.  The only indication in the forbes article that this comes from trump was a tweet by somebody named.

 
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who tweeted:
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BREAKING: Donald Trump demands that hospitals no longer send COVID-19 information to the CDC, but rather to the National Healthcare Safety Network. I smell a cover up in progress.

Sounds like the source of this thread wasn't exactly fact checked either.  How come we haven't hear Pelosi loosing her mind over this if it's true or there isn't a good reason?

 

 

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So, we were warned that people with preexisting health issues were susceptible to complications with Covid.  Would these people have died if they hadn't caught Covid?  Covid contributed to their deaths because it accelerated their preexisting conditions.  Saying Covid was the cause of their deaths makes sense to me.

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