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Georgia Bans Mask Mandate

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Dustyrose33
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https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/coronavirus-updates-georgia-bans-cities-and-counties-from-requiring-masks/ar-BB16Oxly?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

I don't understand why Georgia is doing this, given they've had 127,838 cases and 3,091 deaths.   The Governor there however said he did recommend people to wear masks, but with outright banning a mandate how many are going to choose to wear the mask?

Also, the Governor here in Oklahoma said he is not going to impose a mandate to wear a mask, even though Governors in neighboring states are.   I'm displeased with that, given we're next to Texas and they are currently one of the hotspots. 

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Desertrat56
27 minutes ago, Dustyrose33 said:

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/coronavirus-updates-georgia-bans-cities-and-counties-from-requiring-masks/ar-BB16Oxly?ocid=spartan-dhp-feeds

I don't understand why Georgia is doing this, given they've had 127,838 cases and 3,091 deaths.   The Governor there however said he did recommend people to wear masks, but with outright banning a mandate how many are going to choose to wear the mask?

Also, the Governor here in Oklahoma said he is not going to impose a mandate to wear a mask, even though Governors in neighboring states are.   I'm displeased with that, given we're next to Texas and they are currently one of the hotspots. 

I'm sure it is an "appeasement of voters".  Are either governor up for re-election this year?

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Kittens Are Jerks
7 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I'm sure it is an "appeasement of voters".  Are either governor up for re-election this year?

That's exactly what it is, but that makes him even more of an irresponsible moron. His order came on the same day Georgia recorded its second-highest number of cases since the start of the pandemic. So yeah sure, keep fiddling while your state burns.

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Dustyrose33
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19 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I'm sure it is an "appeasement of voters".  Are either governor up for re-election this year?

Yes.  It's sad when politics is greater than safety.

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Desertrat56
1 minute ago, Dustyrose33 said:

Yes.

I think the pandering will backfire when election time rolls around and all the voters who suffered or lost someone to the virus will remember his stance on everything.

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Kittens Are Jerks
9 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I think the pandering will backfire when election time rolls around and all the voters who suffered or lost someone to the virus will remember his stance on everything.

I resent how he's trying to cover his butt just in case.... yeah I refused to mandate masks, but at the same time I strongly encouraged them blah blah blah.

 

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stereologist

I'm in a state with a mandate to wear masks. Still about 10% of the people in the stores are without masks. 

We are also going to tell businesses where the staff does not wear masks that we will come back to do business with them when they comply with the mandate. That means skipping the local small businesses for big boxes down the road, but that is me thinking about my safety over the business owner's bottom line.

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quiXilver

'Murica... clearly the land of FreeDumb.

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SARS-CoV-2 Transmission and Infection Among Attendees of an Overnight Camp — Georgia, June 2020

Early Release / July 31, 2020 / 69

Limited data are available about transmission of SARS-CoV-2, the virus that causes coronavirus disease 2019 (COVID-19), among youths. During June 17–20, an overnight camp in Georgia (camp A) held orientation for 138 trainees and 120 staff members; staff members remained for the first camp session, scheduled during June 21–27, and were joined by 363 campers and three senior staff members on June 21. Camp A adhered to the measures in Georgia’s Executive Order* that allowed overnight camps to operate beginning on May 31, including requiring all trainees, staff members, and campers to provide documentation of a negative viral SARS-CoV-2 test ≤12 days before arriving. Camp A adopted most† components of CDC’s Suggestions for Youth and Summer Camps§ to minimize the risk for SARS-CoV-2 introduction and transmission. Measures not implemented were cloth masks for campers and opening windows and doors for increased ventilation in buildings. Cloth masks were required for staff members. Camp attendees were cohorted by cabin and engaged in a variety of indoor and outdoor activities, including daily vigorous singing and cheering. On June 23, a teenage staff member left camp A after developing chills the previous evening. The staff member was tested and reported a positive test result for SARS-CoV-2 the following day (June 24). Camp A officials began sending campers home on June 24 and closed the camp on June 27. On June 25, the Georgia Department of Public Health (DPH) was notified and initiated an investigation. DPH recommended that all attendees be tested and self-quarantine, and isolate if they had a positive test result.CDC

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ian hacktorp
On 7/16/2020 at 7:51 AM, Dustyrose33 said:

I don't understand why Georgia is doing this, given they've had 127,838 cases and 3,091 deaths.

It's because state and local governments are realizing the unconstitutional nature of mask mandates and (rightly) fear the looming class-action lawsuits.

Plus, they know that the numbers are bogus, masks are largely ineffective, and most folks (but not all) aren't fond of looking like stupid farm animals.

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stereologist
3 hours ago, ian hacktorp said:

It's because state and local governments are realizing the unconstitutional nature of mask mandates and (rightly) fear the looming class-action lawsuits.

Plus, they know that the numbers are bogus, masks are largely ineffective, and most folks (but not all) aren't fond of looking like stupid farm animals.

It's not unconstitutional. In fact, there have been several Supreme court rulings upholding health mandates.

Claiming something is unconstitutional is just foolishness.

Please show evidence for any of the other misinformation items you posted. The following are fake claims you have repeatedly lied about.

  •  "fear the looming class-action lawsuits" - go ahead prove it or admit this is just a fairy tale
  • " the numbers are bogus" - go ahead prove it or admit this is a lie
  • "masks are largely ineffective" - prove it or admit it too is a lie

The rest is off topic blather of no value.

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quiXilver
8 minutes ago, stereologist said:

It's not unconstitutional. In fact, there have been several Supreme court rulings upholding health mandates.

Claiming something is unconstitutional is just foolishness.

Please show evidence for any of the other misinformation items you posted. The following are fake claims you have repeatedly lied about.

  •  "fear the looming class-action lawsuits" - go ahead prove it or admit this is just a fairy tale
  • " the numbers are bogus" - go ahead prove it or admit this is a lie
  • "masks are largely ineffective" - prove it or admit it too is a lie

The rest is off topic blather of no value.

Well said mate.  Game. Set. Match.

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ian hacktorp
5 minutes ago, stereologist said:

It's not unconstitutional. In fact, there have been several Supreme court rulings upholding health mandates.

There have been no SC rulings on the idiotic mask mandates.  No credible, legislation-supporting studies have been done that prove masks do anything good for public health, either.

And, no, the starter-fluid video doesn't qualify as a scientific study.

As to constitutionality, this will be tested.  Vigorously:

Northern Wisconsin sheriff won’t enforce ‘unconstitutional’ statewide mask mandate

July 30, 2020

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WASHBURN COUNTY, WI (KBJR) -- Washburn County Sheriff Dennis Stuart said Thursday that his department will not enforce Governor Tony Evers' statewide mask mandate, calling it "government overreach and unconstitutional on many levels."

https://wkow.com/2020/07/30/northern-wisconsin-sheriff-wont-enforce-unconstitutional-statewide-mask-mandate/

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stereologist

Here we see that even forced vaccinations are upheld repeatedly b the Supreme court in 1905,

https://reason.com/2020/04/30/when-the-supreme-court-upheld-a-compulsory-vaccination-law/

Social distancing not affected by 1866 ruling as incorrectly claimed by hooligans online.

https://www.usatoday.com/story/news/factcheck/2020/05/09/fact-check-social-distancing-not-unlawful-under-1866-supreme-court-case/3093147001/

 

And here it hows that stay at home orders are likely to be supported by the Supreme court.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/news/us/the-115-year-old-supreme-court-opinion-that-could-determine-rights-during-a-pandemic/ar-BB12r2q0

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stereologist
2 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

There have been no SC rulings on the idiotic mask mandates.  No credible, legislation-supporting studies have been done that prove masks do anything good for public health, either.

And, no, the starter-fluid video doesn't qualify as a scientific study.

As to constitutionality, this will be tested.  Vigorously:

Northern Wisconsin sheriff won’t enforce ‘unconstitutional’ statewide mask mandate

July 30, 2020

https://wkow.com/2020/07/30/northern-wisconsin-sheriff-wont-enforce-unconstitutional-statewide-mask-mandate/

So you admit that you lied about it being unconstitutional. Thank you for admitting to that lie.

Never claimed that the video was a scientific study. Thank you for your inane straw man argument.

Again the Wisconsin mandate appears to be legal even if some dimwitted sheriff will not uphold his responsibilities.

Please show evidence for any of the other misinformation items you posted. The following are fake claims you have repeatedly lied about.

  •  "fear the looming class-action lawsuits" - go ahead prove it or admit this is just a fairy tale
  • " the numbers are bogus" - go ahead prove it or admit this is a lie
  • "masks are largely ineffective" - prove it or admit it too is a lie

 

Time to show us you are probably lying as you always do.

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stereologist

Looks like the mask mandate is legal in Kentucky and in Wisconsin and In Virginia.

https://www.wlky.com/article/gov-beshear-recent-court-ruling-does-not-affect-mask-mandate/33278926#

That's the Kentucky story.

Hacktorp showed that it is legal in Wisconsin.

Virginia is doing well as the rate of  increase of the virus is being slowed - in part by the mask mandate.

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stereologist

Here is a lot of information about mandatory vaccinations in schools, at jobs, etc.

https://fas.org/sgp/crs/misc/RS21414.pdf

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However, if a person refuses to be vaccinated, he or she may be quarantined during the public health emergency giving rise to the vaccination order. State statutes may also provide additional authority to permit specified groups of persons to be trained to administer vaccines during an emergency in the event insufficient health care professionals are available for vaccine administration.

Here is a ruling that allows states to do lockdowns

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The court explicitly rejected the claim that “liberty” under the Constitution includes the right of individuals to make decisions about their own health in instances where those decisions could endanger others. But the court also made clear that restrictions imposed by the government to control communicable diseases must have a “real or substantial relation” to protecting public health.

Under this standard, there is no doubt that quarantine, “shelter in place,” and closure requirements are constitutional as a way of stopping the spread of COVID-19, even though they restrict freedom.

All of this whining and crying and calls for being unconstitutional are just plain wrong and just another example of ignorance.

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These orders are constitutional even when they preclude people from assembling for religious worship.

 

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https://www.pressherald.com/2020/07/30/commentary-the-constitution-doesnt-have-a-problem-with-mask-mandates/

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Many public health professionals and politicians are urging or requiring citizens to wear face masks to help slow the spread of the COVID-19 virus.
Some Americans have refused, wrongly claiming mask decrees violate the Constitution. An internet search turns up dozens of examples.

 

A specific case in which a recent mask mandate was upheld.

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A lawsuit filed by four Florida residents against Palm Beach County, for example, argued that mask mandates “interfere with … personal liberty and constitutional rights,” such as freedom of speech, right to privacy, due process, and the “constitutionally protected right to enjoy and defend life and liberty.” The lawsuit asked the court to issue a permanent injunction against the county’s mask mandate.
On July 27, the Court declined to issue an injunction against the mask mandate. “no constitutional right is infringed by the Mask Ordinance’s mandate … and that the requirement to swear such a covering has a clear rational basis based on the protection of public health.” More to the point, the Court continued, “constitutional rights and the ideals of limited government do not … allow (citizens) to wholly shirk their social obligation to their fellow Americans or to society as a whole…. After all, we do not have a constitutional right to infect others.”

 

The claim that mask mandates are unconstitutional is just BS from those that couldn't be bothered to do a quick search on the net or are purposely trying to lie.

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Kemp is obviously a callous governor who is trying to do some spin. He wants the votes of the Trumpian brown nosers without admitting that he is doing that.

The governor has the say in the health care issues.

I think this move will backfire on him since over 3/4 of the US population wants mask mandates.

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ian hacktorp
1 hour ago, stereologist said:

The claim that mask mandates are unconstitutional is just BS from those that couldn't be bothered to do a quick search on the net or are purposely trying to lie.

Mask mandates will ultimately fail as being an unnecessary and illegitimate burden on the public.

Again, constitutionality will be vigorously tested...and, ultimately, not decided by lower courts.

Here's what the Louisiana AG has to say about it:

Louisiana AG says mask mandate is unconstitutional, unenforceable

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"Although the mask mandate and the 50-person limit may be good recommendations for personal safety, they may not be enforced with financial or criminal penalties,” Landry wrote. “Both businesses acting under color of law as mask police and actual police acting as mask police could face liability if individual civil rights are violated due to the Proclamation.”

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/ag-jeff-landry-mask-mandate-unconstitutional/289-ee6292eb-364b-404e-8b93-a5cf1a19f46b

So, as we can see, mask Nazis may well find themselves in legal trouble when they act to deprive individuals of their civil rights.

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ian hacktorp
1 hour ago, stereologist said:

Here we see that even forced vaccinations are upheld repeatedly b the Supreme court in 1905

Forced vaccinations will NEVER be allowed in this day and age, despite what the SC may have said 115 years ago..

Unless you're still living in communist China.  In which case you should probably be worried.

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stereologist
24 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

Mask mandates will ultimately fail as being an unnecessary and illegitimate burden on the public.

Again, constitutionality will be vigorously tested...and, ultimately, not decided by lower courts.

Here's what the Louisiana AG has to say about it:

Louisiana AG says mask mandate is unconstitutional, unenforceable

https://www.wwltv.com/article/news/health/coronavirus/ag-jeff-landry-mask-mandate-unconstitutional/289-ee6292eb-364b-404e-8b93-a5cf1a19f46b

So, as we can see, mask Nazis may well find themselves in legal trouble when they act to deprive individuals of their civil rights.

Here are your lies that you have made no effort to support.

Please show evidence for any of the other misinformation items you posted. The following are fake claims you have repeatedly lied about.

  •  "fear the looming class-action lawsuits" - go ahead prove it or admit this is just a fairy tale
  • " the numbers are bogus" - go ahead prove it or admit this is a lie
  • "masks are largely ineffective" - prove it or admit it too is a lie

Now you are adding to your list of lies.

Please show evidence for any of the other misinformation items you posted. The following are fake claims you have repeatedly lied about.

  •  "fear the looming class-action lawsuits" - go ahead prove it or admit this is just a fairy tale
  • " the numbers are bogus" - go ahead prove it or admit this is a lie
  • "masks are largely ineffective" - prove it or admit it too is a lie
  • that the Louisiana mask mandate in unconstitutional - all you  posted is an opinion, show us that it is unconstitutional
  • "mask Nazis may well find themselves in legal trouble when they act to deprive individuals of their civil rights" - prove it or admit that you are telling another lie

 

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stereologist
24 minutes ago, ian hacktorp said:

Forced vaccinations will NEVER be allowed in this day and age, despite what the SC may have said 115 years ago..

Unless you're still living in communist China.  In which case you should probably be worried.

Lies that hacktorp has admitted are lies:

  • That mask mandates are unconstitutional
  • "Forced vaccinations will NEVER be allowed in this day and age" - I already proved this is a lie

Again you are adding to your list of lies.

Please show evidence for any of the other misinformation items you posted. The following are fake claims you have repeatedly lied about.

  •  "fear the looming class-action lawsuits" - go ahead prove it or admit this is just a fairy tale
  • " the numbers are bogus" - go ahead prove it or admit this is a lie
  • "masks are largely ineffective" - prove it or admit it too is a lie
  • that the Louisiana mask mandate in unconstitutional - all you  posted is an opinion, show us that it is unconstitutional
  • "mask Nazis may well find themselves in legal trouble when they act to deprive individuals of their civil rights" - prove it or admit that you are telling another lie
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From hacktorp's link:

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In fact, on Monday’s White House call with governors, Dr. Deborah Birx, the coordinator of the federal coronavirus response, singled out my actions, including the mask mandate, as a ‘best practice’ for states with rising cases."

Mask mandates are even approved by the White House. Maybe that was not forwarded to the communist offices where some posters get their talking points.

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ian hacktorp
6 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Mask mandates are even approved by the White House.

As much as you may love president Trump, neither he nor Dr. Birx have supported forced mask mandates.  They have only suggested the use of masks as "best practice".

The Louisiana governor was trying to cover himself from his AG's remarks by claiming Birx supported his illegal mandate.  She didn't

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