Am i left wing or right wing

[diddyman68]

When i was a kid i always seen myself as left wing,i live in an area that always voted labour,my parents demanded i vote labour.as they did.because labour helped the working class,was all about a fair days pay for a fair days work.so the working class were seen as left wing.

But what got me thinking during the 80s was,when england football hooligans were rampaging through sweden,one hooligan spoke to the press,and said.

We are called far right extremists,and racist.but ask them who they will vote for in the next election,most of them will say labour.of course labour called them right wing bigots.

As i was into the football scene at that time i totally agreed with what he said.but i never considered myself right wing or racist.

So the press portraid football hooligans as right wing,when they were actually left wing.

But they will never admit that.

So as regards to labour,i have woke up,they are not for the working class.they see them as racist bigots.

[+Desertrat56]

3 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

So as regards to labour,i have woke up,they are not for the working class.they see them as racist bigots.

I am confused, who sees who as racist bigots?  The media, the labour party sees footballers as right wing racists, or the labour party is seen as right wing racists?  (you can tell who writes the spell check, function -certainly not british.  )

[diddyman68]

Sorry for any spelling mistakes,i am not perfect.

As for your confusion,the media and the labour party seen football hooligans as right wing extremist racists.when in fact most of them were labour supporting working class guys.

 

[spartan max2]

The radical left labels everyone as racist and right wing extremist. There are plenty of people left wing who are not radical. I don't believe most people on the right are racist either. It's just a tactic to avoid actual debate and argument and instead boil everything down to racism.

Extremism is cancer. 

 

[+Desertrat56]

Just now, diddyman68 said:

Sorry for any spelling mistakes,i am not perfect.

As for your confusion,the media and the labour party seen football hooligans as right wing extremist racists.when in fact most of them were labour supporting working class guys.

 

No, you did not  make any spelling mistakes.  I was commenting on how the spell checker considers labour, misspelled because the U.S. Americans don't spell it with the U.  Same with other words that we dropped the u from but for some reason I type them automatically with the U. 

I would just ignore the media, they are not rational, and have a job to keep everyone at odds with each other, dissonance rather than resonance (or disparity rather than unity).  As for choosing a label, why bother.  Neither "right wing" or "left wing" actually describes anyone accurately, and it is no ones business how you vote.  In fact "right wing conservative" and "left wing liberal" are used as fighting words way too often.  Those terms don't mean anything real.

[Piney]

40 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

So the press portraid football hooligans as right wing,when they were actually left wing.

The Teamsters here went from supporting the Right, then the Left......But we Northern loggers and cowboys consider them tw@ts..

......I never understood the whole mess really. I sit in the middle and see both sides as a bunch of extreme and racist ( in their own way) tossers

Edited July 16, 2020 by Piney
**** Trump

[diddyman68]

Thanks @Desertrat56 i think most people are pretty central.with a few views either side, doesn't mean their extremists.they just want want they think is best for them and their families.

[spartan max2]

@diddyman68

If it's not too personal can I ask how old you are ?

[quiXilver]

Fundamentalist thinking of any type, seems an indication of mental illness to me.

[diddyman68]

11 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Teamsters here went from supporting the Right, then the Left......But we Northern loggers and cowboys consider them tw@ts..

......I never understood the whole mess really. I sit in the middle and see both sides as a bunch of extreme and racist ( in their own way) tossers

They say football hooligans were racist.i bet the likes of west ham,birmingham and man city had their diversity quota filled with black people more than the average office.

[diddyman68]

8 minutes ago, spartan max2 said:

@diddyman68

If it's not too personal can I ask how old you are ?

Im 52 ,

Why,whats the problem.?

[spartan max2]

1 minute ago, diddyman68 said:

Im 52 ,

Why,whats the problem.?

No issue. I was just curious. Always immpossible to tell in the internet lol.

[micahc]

7 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

They say football hooligans were racist.i bet the likes of west ham,birmingham and man city had their diversity quota filled with black people more than the average office.

i don't know uk politics but it sounds like your country has gone to the extremes.we, the USA have done the same thing.  first of all hooligans are hooligans.  maybe sober they are decent folk but if they are really hooligans they don't vote either party.  i am tired of the two extremes.  we use to have liberal republicans. lots of them. they helped push through the civil rights bills in the 60's.  the only liberal republicans left are in graveyards. I am a moderate which means i am not predictable on ever issue. but nobody accepts there are any moderates any more. you got to be in one tribe or the other. I hope our republican party disappears completely but it would not be good for the country to end up being a one party state.  So don't let anyone define you.  

Edited July 16, 2020 by micahc

[Piney]

8 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

They say football hooligans were racist.i bet the likes of west ham,birmingham and man city had their diversity quota filled with black people more than the average office.

The Brummies are wild when it comes to football. But I've never seen and real racism come from there. 

[+Desertrat56]

6 minutes ago, micahc said:

i don't know uk politics but it sounds like your country has gone to the extremes.we, the USA have done the same thing.  first of all hooligans are hooligans.  maybe sober they are decent folk but if they are really hooligans they don't vote either party.  i am tired of the two extremes.  we use to have liberal republicans. lots of them. they helped push through the civil rights bills in the 60's.  the only liberal republicans left are in graveyards. I am a moderate which means i am not predictable on ever issue. but nobody accepts there are any moderates any more. you got to be in one tribe or the other. I hope our republican party disappears completely but it would not be good for the country to end up being a one party state.  So don't let anyone define you.  

That's the big lie to keep us in line.  There are more people registered as independents on the voter rolls than ever and it is because more and more people refuse to identify as either party.  They are moderate and the parties cater to extremists.

Edited July 16, 2020 by Desertrat56

[diddyman68]

1 minute ago, micahc said:

i don't know uk politics but it sounds like your country has gone to the extremes. first of all hooligans are hooligans.  maybe sober they are decent folk but if they are really hooligans they don't vote either party.  i am tired of the two extremes.  we use to have liberal republicans. lots of them. they helped push through the civil rights bills in the 60's.  the only liberal republicans left are in graveyards. I am a moderate which means i am not predictable on ever issue. but nobody accepts there are any moderates any more. you got to be in one tribe or the other. I hope our republican party disappears completely but it would not be good for the country to end up being a one party state.  So don't let anyone define you.  

What i was talking about in the op was the msm said the hooligans that were rampaging through europe during the 80s were right wing extremists.when in fact they were mostly left leaning working class blokes,happy just to have a crappy job,that paid enough for them to pay the bills,feed the kids and let them keep going to games.most of them happened to be labour supporters.but i imagine a lot of them have woke up to the labour narative

[diddyman68]

9 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Brummies are wild when it comes to football. But I've never seen and real racism come from there. 

And thats an order from the .

Peaky ****in blinders.

[diddyman68]

13 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Brummies are wild when it comes to football. But I've never seen and real racism come from there. 

Exactly,its got nothing to do with race.its all about honour,

Not letting another firm take over your turf.

Thats it.end of.

 

[micahc]

17 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

That's the big lie to keep us in line.  There are more people registered as independents on the voter rolls than ever and it is because more and more people refuse to identify as either party.  They are moderate and the parties cater to extremists.

i started registering as an independent myself.  however, the loud voices in both parties are extremists.  there is not one liberal republican left, and the moderate ones get turned on by the extremists.  and now you see that in the democrat party.  AOC is doing her best to defeat democrats who are not socialists.  she isn't even a democrat. i finally quit the democrat party because bernie ruined the party.  if you cannot even say you are democrat without qualifying it with the word social then how in the hell do you expect to be the nominee?  Sorry he p***es me off. So i decided I would stop registering democrat, changed to independent. If there was a decent moderate republican who talked to me, who knows, I might just support them.

[Piney]

6 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

And thats an order from the .

Peaky ****in blinders.

Who act as enforcers for those extremist Cadbury Bournville Quakers. 

[micahc]

14 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

What i was talking about in the op was the msm said the hooligans that were rampaging through europe during the 80s were right wing extremists.when in fact they were mostly left leaning working class blokes,happy just to have a crappy job,that paid enough for them to pay the bills,feed the kids and let them keep going to games.most of them happened to be labour supporters.but i imagine a lot of them have woke up to the labour narative

see you would know that better than I.  I remember stories about footballers raising hell. but I never heard any political argument. I just thought it was the brits can't handle their booze..lol.  sorry

 

[Golden Duck]

1 hour ago, diddyman68 said:

When i was a kid i always seen myself as left wing,i live in an area that always voted labour,my parents demanded i vote labour.as they did.because labour helped the working class,was all about a fair days pay for a fair days work.so the working class were seen as left wing.

But what got me thinking during the 80s was,when england football hooligans were rampaging through sweden,one hooligan spoke to the press,and said.

We are called far right extremists,and racist.but ask them who they will vote for in the next election,most of them will say labour.of course labour called them right wing bigots.

As i was into the football scene at that time i totally agreed with what he said.but i never considered myself right wing or racist.

So the press portraid football hooligans as right wing,when they were actually left wing.

But they will never admit that.

So as regards to labour,i have woke up,they are not for the working class.they see them as racist bigots.

The left-right dichotomy originated during the French Revolution.  The left supported a republic and the right a monarchy.  But, the spectrum is ephemeral.

There is a nationalistic aspect to the labour movement, insofar as wanting to control immigration to protect the local worker and industry.

Check out this podcast where Gene Callahan classifies some economic libertarians - particularly those promoting open borders, and freetrade -  as anarchists.  However, there are some in these forums that maintain that liberty is a virtue exclusive to the "the right".

Listen to Callahan's vison of the nation-state:

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CALLAHAN: The nation-state has an obligation to protect the life, the wellbeing, the health of its citizens. This is what the nation-state exists for. And the fact that it treats its citizens different than citizens of elsewhere just means that it’s doing its duty. Its duty is to them.  So the fact that it stands in a different relation to those citizens than to citizens of other nations is not a moral outrage. It’s in fact the moral reason that the nation-state exists.

I'm certain I have heard Trump say a similar thing before the election (but I can't find proof).  You'll find people confuse social elements, like health care, with socialism.  But, hopefully you can see this view of the nation-state is very similar the ideal of freedom and right to protect your own belongings.

The depiction off the left-right spectrum has been a subject of such volatile change as to have virtually no meaning beyond the instinctive equivocation of 'right' sounding nicer than the sinister 'left'.

It's a ignorant tool for lazy identity politics. 

Edited July 17, 2020 by Golden Duck

[diddyman68]

2 minutes ago, Piney said:

Who act as enforcers for those extremist Cadbury Bournville Quakers. 

Thomas ****in shelby,thats who.

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

1 hour ago, diddyman68 said:

When i was a kid i always seen myself as left wing,i live in an area that always voted labour,my parents demanded i vote labour.as they did.because labour helped the working class,was all about a fair days pay for a fair days work.so the working class were seen as left wing.

But what got me thinking during the 80s was,when england football hooligans were rampaging through sweden,one hooligan spoke to the press,and said.

We are called far right extremists,and racist.but ask them who they will vote for in the next election,most of them will say labour.of course labour called them right wing bigots.

As i was into the football scene at that time i totally agreed with what he said.but i never considered myself right wing or racist.

So the press portraid football hooligans as right wing,when they were actually left wing.

But they will never admit that.

So as regards to labour,i have woke up,they are not for the working class.they see them as racist bigots.

How about just being yourself ?

There really is no need to allways try to put people into neat little boxes with neat little labels on. You are unlikely to find a party that you agree with fully, so use your own judgement and stop worrying about the label and the box.

[Golden Duck]

26 minutes ago, Piney said:

The Brummies are wild when it comes to football. But I've never seen and real racism come from there. 

I think it's more accurately described as tribalism.