Am i left wing or right wing

[Setton]

3 hours ago, Katzenking said:

I think the extreme left and right are both kinds of socialists. Their label is to make people even. Everyone is supposed to think and act in the same way.

No. The extreme left wants to force everyone to be an equal outcome rather than equal opportunity.

The extreme right wants to get rid of anyone they don't see as equal. 

You can't change your skin colour because the government says you should all be the same. It's what makes the extreme right even more unpalatable than extreme religious groups.

[diddyman68]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Are you sure it was "everybody" or just the media with an agenda?

Sorry,i meant the media.

[+Desertrat56]

8 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

Sorry,i meant the media.

Ok.  Thanks.  Communication is easier if you don't use general terms.  Too many  misunderstandings from them.

Edited July 17, 2020 by Desertrat56

[Leon G]

2 hours ago, diddyman68 said:

Sorry,i meant the media.

And not even the media in general but only political based media. Left winged media like the canadian Rebel News for instance to name one would state that football hooligans are right winged. When in fact left winged people often fall in to the trap off condemning right wingers by making the same mistake.

Then there is something like mediasources without any political agenda. They would just state that the sub culture (which it is) of hooliganism is just filled with a bunch of retards who prefer to bash ones skull and spoil the social engagement football actualy has. 

The fact you question your orientation on the political spectrum is a good thing. And mostly if you question that about youreself means that you probably are somewhere in the centre of that political spectrum. 

[Bed of chaos]

I'm driving down the street today, spot six construction workers. Five are lounging smoking cigarettes, while only one has shovel. My buddy remarks "must be union".

[diddyman68]

50 minutes ago, Leon G said:

And not even the media in general but only political based media. Left winged media like the canadian Rebel News for instance to name one would state that football hooligans are right winged. When in fact left winged people often fall in to the trap off condemning right wingers by making the same mistake.

Then there is something like mediasources without any political agenda. They would just state that the sub culture (which it is) of hooliganism is just filled with a bunch of retards who prefer to bash ones skull and spoil the social engagement football actualy has. 

The fact you question your orientation on the political spectrum is a good thing. And mostly if you question that about youreself means that you probably are somewhere in the centre of that political spectrum. 

I've always known i was pretty central,with a few views slightly right and a few slightly left.

In the early 80s i used to see people selling national front magazines,and there was a fair bit of racism about at the time.but things are a lot better nowadays.

Even though most supporters voted labour,politics was never really an issue.in fact I can't think of a single english club that had a political faction.

I know some clubs in say italy that are seen as left or right wing,but not in england.

[Leon G]

24 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

In the early 80s i used to see people selling national front magazines,and there was a fair bit of racism about at the time.but things are a lot better nowadays.

Things are a lot better? Oké please explain how they are better now?

 

26 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

I know some clubs in say italy that are seen as left or right wing,but not in england.

If you do not know them read the following wich makes clear that there are definitly Englsh clubs with hooligans that are left winged and clubs with hooligans that are right winged. By not knowing of their exictense you can not simply say there are non whatsoever.

 

https://www.vice.com/en_uk/article/4wm3jb/is-english-far-right-hooligans-war-on-left-wing-football-ultras-spreading-to-the-premier-league-181

[ethereal_scout]

Try this website, its quite good.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

[diddyman68]

Things are a lot better? Oké please explain how they are better now?

I suppose people are generally better educated on the subject.also family friendly stadiums,and a zero tolerance for racism.

As for the link.

A group of maybe 5 people with a flag hardly identifies a club as left or right wing.

Also those clubs were non league clubs that ive never heard of.one mentioned had average crowds of 25.

The whole ultras thing is just a name that kiddies find cool.but they are totally different to italian ultras etc.

[+Desertrat56]

12 minutes ago, ethereal_scout said:

Try this website, its quite good.

https://www.politicalcompass.org/

I took the test and it gauged me a left leaning libertain, smack in the middle of that square.  I thought I was more moderate, but I suspect it has to do with my responses to the corporation and economic  questions.

[Leon G]

2 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

I suppose people are generally better educated on the subject.also family friendly stadiums,and a zero tolerance for racism.

And you are taking this for a fact in times where debates about race and all other sorts of things are peaking? Did you miss the whole BLM part that is going on? And that is just one thing of many.

 

3 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

Also those clubs were non league clubs that ive never heard of.one mentioned had average crowds of 25

Did you read the whole article? Crystal Palace and Aston Villa get named in that same article. Those are clubs that are known all over Europe you know. The fact was not even about in which club, the fact was are there left winged and right winged hooligans in England. You did not know any (does not matter if you know the club that have them and even despite that two very known Premier League clubs are mentioned on the extreme left spectrum of the whole matter). So they do exist in England in known and unknown English footballclubs. 

[diddyman68]

9 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I took the test and it gauged me a left leaning libertain, smack in the middle of that square.  I thought I was more moderate, but I suspect it has to do with my responses to the corporation and economic  questions.

Same here,left 4.2 i think it was.and 2.6 right for economic.

[+Desertrat56]

1 minute ago, diddyman68 said:

Same here,left 4.2 i think it was.and 2.6 right for economic.

Oh, I didn't look at the numbers, just saw I was one sqaure below the middle and right on the middle square of the left libertarian section.

[diddyman68]

11 minutes ago, Leon G said:

And you are taking this for a fact in times where debates about race and all other sorts of things are peaking? Did you miss the whole BLM part that is going on? And that is just one thing of many.

 

Did you read the whole article? Crystal Palace and Aston Villa get named in that same article. Those are clubs that are known all over Europe you know. The fact was not even about in which club, the fact was are there left winged and right winged hooligans in England. You did not know any (does not matter if you know the club that have them and even despite that two very known Premier League clubs are mentioned on the extreme left spectrum of the whole matter). So they do exist in England in known and unknown English footballclubs. 

That article was trash clickbait written by a hack,trying to create a story out of nothing.kiddies calling themselves ultras and singing songs is hardly extremist.also there is zero tolerance regarding racist or offensive banners or flags.best not to believe everything on the internet.

[Leon G]

1 minute ago, diddyman68 said:

That article was trash clickbait written by a hack,trying to create a story out of nothing.kiddies calling themselves ultras and singing songs is hardly extremist.also there is zero tolerance regarding racist or offensive banners or flags.best not to believe everything on the internet.

So hooliganism can only exist in a footballstadium? We all know that is not true. 

 

Please look a bit further that football. I am a huge football fan myself (playing since I am 6 years old, still playing and I am a youthcoach as well) Because all we talked about so far is also playing in the world outside off football. We can't say the world is better atm compared with 40 years ago. It is different yes but better? No. 

[TigerBright19]

Left wing = Offensive

Right wing = Defensive 

 

[+Desertrat56]

1 minute ago, TigerBright19 said:

Left wing = Offensive

Right wing = Defensive 

 

I think they are both offensive.     Your description just tells us which side you have chosen.

Edited July 17, 2020 by Desertrat56

[Leon G]

21 minutes ago, diddyman68 said:

Same here,left 4.2 i think it was.and 2.6 right for economic.

Left liberterian .4.13 apparently for me. 

[+Noteverythingisaconspiracy]

21 hours ago, Manwon Lender said:

That's the best post in this thread, and your right the labels are worthless and foolish. In the old days it was more important to choose Leader, at least in America, who had the qualifications to do the best job possible for my country. Today, qualifications are not important, all you have to do is look at the accomplishments of our current President and it become obvious he certainly doesnt have the Leadership ability needed to serve my countries interests. His election is further proof that qualifications mean nothing and that elections are bought and sold by special interest groups, where it is a rare occurrence when the best qualified candidate happens to also be the choice of special interest groups. In my country political parties are destroying my Nation, I think the title of Right and Left show should be abolished, I also think that maneuvering for seats in the House and the Senate should also be changed. I think seats should be divided equally between the two parties so no one has a majority, this way to get anything accomplished it will require bipartisanship, because this is the major problem in Americas Political System today, there is no bipartisanship only bickering and infighting.

I am certainly no an expert on the Political system, my thoughts above are mine alone and are not based upon any model that I am aware of. So if my comments sound uneducated they certainly may be, but to me it seems like a logical step in the right direction, because the present method being used has proven over the last 200 plus years to not be effective. So let the attacks begin, I can take it!!!

Where I come from we have multiple parties in the parliament and no singles party have had a majority for over a century. Seats in parliament is given based on the number of votes a party gets, so in this way votes aren't lost as in the "winner takes all" system. Because no single party have a majority the government have to compromise with other parties. I think this leads to less hostility between the parties because they know they need eachother.

This clip is off topic but it shows that politics here is a little less partisan that many other places. Its the PM's speech at the opening of parliament. Several of the people laughing are from the oposition, including the leader of the oppostion (0.25):

Most of the time the debates are very boring though.

[spartan max2]

1 hour ago, Leon G said:

Things are a lot better? Oké please explain how they are better now?

Calm down lol

Someone saying racism has improved since the 80's isn't the same as saying there is no racism.

Do you honestly think there has been zero change since the 80's?

 

[Leon G]

1 minute ago, spartan max2 said:

Do you honestly think there has been zero change since the 80's?

I am not saying there are no changes. I am saying it is not better compared with the '80's.

[Grim Reaper 6]

8 minutes ago, Noteverythingisaconspiracy said:

Where I come from we have multiple parties in the parliament and no singles party have had a majority for over a century. Seats in parliament is given based on the number of votes a party gets, so in this way votes aren't lost as in the "winner takes all" system. Because no single party have a majority the government have to compromise with other parties. I think this leads to less hostility between the parties because they know they need eachother.

This clip is off topic but it shows that politics here is a little less partisan that many other places. Its the PM's speech at the opening of parliament. Several of the people laughing are from the oposition, including the leader of the oppostion (0.25):

Most of the time the debates are very boring though.

Thanks for your response, I really enjoyed the video and I also like how your Political system prevents a majority. That's the main problem we have in the American Political system, but since the seats in our House of Representatives and our Senate are basically bought and sold by special interest groups I dont see change coming anytime soon. 

Thanks again for your response, and the video that was great!!

[Golden Duck]

41 minutes ago, TigerBright19 said:

Left wing = Offensive

Right wing = Defensive 

 

Left wing = Harry Kewell

Right wing = David Beckham

[Leon G]

10 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

Left wing = Harry Kewell

Right wing = David Beckham

Left wing = Eden Hazard

[TigerBright19]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

I think they are both offensive.     Your description just tells us which side you have chosen.

Neither side.  I was making an observation of how each side judges the past.

Left wing = Spends their time offending the past and wants to change the status quo.

Right wing = Spends their time defending the past and wants to keep the status quo.