the13bats Posted March 24, 2021 #176 Share Posted March 24, 2021 37 minutes ago, macqdor said: coming from a cynic- that's to about accurate LOL ? Huh? Are you saying because you judge me a cynic since i do not believe your stories without proof you agree with my impression you are just trolling for reaction, okay then we do agree on something afterall. Back to topic, do you have proof of to back up your claims or are you just going to insult the forum with your cop out eccuses and blaming a forum for your failures. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 24, 2021 #177 Share Posted March 24, 2021 Stories? The topic is the 'Doris Bither case.' Try to stay on topic LOL 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted March 24, 2021 #178 Share Posted March 24, 2021 (edited) 50 minutes ago, macqdor said: Stories? The topic is the 'Doris Bither case.' Try to stay on topic LOL A junkie with mental issues, So stop derailing by making up stories ( with zero proof) about gang raping demons. Edited March 24, 2021 by the13bats Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
the13bats Posted March 25, 2021 #179 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Has anyone seen or read of drug/alcohol abuse and or mental illness to cause the person to report things like DB made claims of? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Saru Posted March 25, 2021 #180 Share Posted March 25, 2021 Enough with the personal attacks and bickering please. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 26, 2021 #181 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) @the13bats I'm going to try to answer your question with the preface that moderator said Quote Enough with the personal attacks and bickering please. Understand the parapsychology community as a whole subscribes to the theory that so-called poltergeists activity is the cause of an adolescent troubled teenager typically a female not discarnate or independent entity. A subset of their belief (not mine) is the activity being reported is a result of disfunction e.g., inside the home. Disfunction like drug/alcohol abuse, mental illness, physical, sexual abuse, etc. Their list is endless. This disfunction or strife (if you will) conjures up some mystic mind powers within the individual creating the activity in and around them. I don't subscribe to that theory. Based on my personal experience I can't. But here's the kicker. Here's what I do subscribe to. Malevolent entities or entities(energy) period exist all around us. Their opportunists. Spiritual predators if you will who if given ample opportunity will infest(invade) a home and begin the activity known today as 'poltergeist outbreaks.' But there's a missing link. One researchers have yet to discover or pin down. I believe that missing link is the synergy (within) the individual(s) or the land or home itself. The paranormal community as a whole parapsychologists in particular are so glued to this one concept of adolescent teenager or trouble person or lifestyle that overtime IMO has led to other theories being ignored. Quote Enough with the personal attacks and bickering please. Edited March 26, 2021 by macqdor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 26, 2021 #182 Share Posted March 26, 2021 1 hour ago, macqdor said: Understand the parapsychology community as a whole subscribes to the theory that so-called poltergeists activity is the cause of an adolescent troubled teenager typically a female not discarnate or independent entity. 1. Please don't use enlarged fonts - quite apart from having no regard for people setting their own desired font sizes that suit their screen, it also makes it impossible to easily break quotes. 2. Cite your claim that the 'parapsychology community' subscribes to that theory. I'll be delighted to explain, at two levels, how that is completely false. Quote Malevolent entities or entities(energy) period exist all around us. Their {sic} opportunists. No, they do not exist. See how easy it is to dismiss such claims? If you claim otherwise, cite the very best evidence for that existence. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 26, 2021 #183 Share Posted March 26, 2021 Quote 1. Please don't use enlarged fonts - quite apart from having no regard for people setting their own desired font sizes that suit their screen, it also makes it impossible to easily break quotes. you have no authority here to instruct me what to do? Such arrogance. Your profile lists you as "just a contributor." Quote Cite your claim that the 'parapsychology community' subscribes to that theory. I'll be delighted to explain, at two levels, how that is completely false. Parapsychologists Nandor Fodor and William G. Roll suggested that poltergeist activity can be explained by psychokinesis. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis] [https://parapsych.org/articles/36/51/are_poltergeists_real.aspx] Quote Cite your claim that the 'parapsychology community' subscribes to that theory. I'll be delighted to explain, at two levels, how that is completely false. Quote the evidence now suggests that poltergeist effects are actually caused by the living. The MMI itself may be produced by one or more individuals, often (but not always) troubled adolescents. https://parapsych.org/articles/36/51/are_poltergeists_real.aspx Quote I'll be delighted to explain, at two levels, how that is completely false. I'm all ears. You have the floor. I double down and stand by statement The parapsychology community as a whole. Subscribes to the theory that "geist" activity is linked to a 'human agent.' Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 26, 2021 #184 Share Posted March 26, 2021 (edited) Part Two: Book : What is a Poltergeist?, Understanding Poltergeist Activity – Geoff Holde Chapter 6: Poltergeist are powers of the Human Mind. Edited March 26, 2021 by macqdor Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 28, 2021 #185 Share Posted March 28, 2021 On 3/26/2021 at 4:34 PM, macqdor said: you have no authority here to instruct me what to do NO, BUT I CAN ASK POLITELY THAT you DO NOT do the wrong thing (note that your text quote would not break BECAUSE you ignore polite suggestions...) Such arrogance. No, arrogance would be continuing to do something wrong SIMPLY TO BE 'difficult'... Your profile lists you as "just a contributor." Yes, unlike you I try to contribute... On 3/26/2021 at 4:34 PM, macqdor said: Parapsychologists Nandor Fodor and William G. Roll suggested that poltergeist activity can be explained by psychokinesis. [https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Psychokinesis] [https://parapsych.org/articles/36/51/are_poltergeists_real.aspx] They suggested it, did they? :D :D And that presumably was your best evidence to support your claim. Laughable. On 3/26/2021 at 4:34 PM, macqdor said: I'm all ears. You have the floor. I double down and stand by statement The parapsychology community as a whole. Subscribes to the theory that "geist" activity is linked to a 'human agent.' Your own example makes it clear that is false. And why is the 'community' opinion of any significance? Where is the scientific community, on this? Oh that's right, parapsychology isn't part of the scientific community. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
KNash Posted March 28, 2021 #186 Share Posted March 28, 2021 The first time I heard about this case when I was a kid. I remember going with my dad to his friend's houses where I saw a tabloid or something that had a headline claiming that a woman was being sexually assaulted by ghosts. Of course, at that point, this was an old story. I remember being terrified at the idea of ghosts attacking someone like this. After watching a lot of interviews and retelling of the story, I think mental health played a role in Doris' claims. I hate to say that as I'm certainly not trying to gaslight her, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Caesar Posted March 28, 2021 #187 Share Posted March 28, 2021 1 hour ago, KNash said: The first time I heard about this case when I was a kid. I remember going with my dad to his friend's houses where I saw a tabloid or something that had a headline claiming that a woman was being sexually assaulted by ghosts. Of course, at that point, this was an old story. I remember being terrified at the idea of ghosts attacking someone like this. After watching a lot of interviews and retelling of the story, I think mental health played a role in Doris' claims. I hate to say that as I'm certainly not trying to gaslight her, but extraordinary claims require extraordinary evidence. Agreed. When someone claims to be persistently rogered by ghosts / demons, it does require real proof. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 28, 2021 #188 Share Posted March 28, 2021 Lol Proof is a relative term. One of skeptics go to word out of many. If proof is your reason for being here. By here i mean this community then (news flash) You're not going to find it. Doris Bither case to those who've studied it and especially where in the house when activity erupted. Based on whar they saw, felt or heard far exceed what ANY scientist can ever hope to let alone experienced. Supernatural vs. Science? Supernatural wins! 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 29, 2021 #189 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) 1 hour ago, macqdor said: If proof is your reason for being here. By here i mean this community then (news flash) You're not going to find it. There's the News Flash - macqdor finally admits he has nothing in the way of proof or evidence, even including his own 'cases'... We agree on something. Quote Based on whar they saw, felt or heard far exceed what ANY scientist can ever hope to let alone experienced. Difference is, science shows things, tests things, properly investigates things. You just pass on silly stories. Quote Supernatural vs. Science? Supernatural wins! If the category is Fiction/Fantasy, yes. Edited March 29, 2021 by ChrLzs 1 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 29, 2021 #190 Share Posted March 29, 2021 (edited) I was going to retort your or others habitual proclivity for love of science. SCIENCE, SCIENCE, SCIENCE, SCIENCE, SCIENCE. What does science say? Is the most requested song I often read about here WHERE POLTERGEIST ARE concerned. BELOW! My opinion of science. LOL! Edited March 29, 2021 by macqdor 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
ChrLzs Posted March 29, 2021 #191 Share Posted March 29, 2021 3 hours ago, macqdor said: LOL! {inane gif redacted} ? That animation is about as unfaked and believable as your usual dreck. What are you, five years old? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Don Caesar Posted March 29, 2021 #192 Share Posted March 29, 2021 6 hours ago, macqdor said: Lol Proof is a relative term. One of skeptics go to word out of many. If proof is your reason for being here. By here i mean this community then (news flash) You're not going to find it. Doris Bither case to those who've studied it and especially where in the house when activity erupted. Based on whar they saw, felt or heard far exceed what ANY scientist can ever hope to let alone experienced. Supernatural vs. Science? Supernatural wins! Concerning this 1974 case, looking for solid proof is a waste of time. Nearly 50 years later, and with the main participant deceased and the kids refusing to speak, there’s nothing really left - except an entertaining book and film. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 29, 2021 #193 Share Posted March 29, 2021 @ChrLzs Uh oh. Rule violation.No personal attacks or bickering. The gif IMO is fair metaphor of the science community who for reasons yet explained hold a high regards for. My observation and analysis of the usual suspects responding to Poltergeist posts. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
macqdor Posted March 29, 2021 #194 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Quote Concerning this 1974 case, looking for solid proof is a waste of time. Nearly 50 years later, and with the main participant deceased and the kids refusing to speak, there’s nothing really left - except an entertaining book and film. My sentiments exactly. Skepics or cynics actually equate closed case, no proof, etc as a reason for not having a conversation about the events being reported. They fear even a hypothetical discussion. 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Still Waters Posted March 29, 2021 #195 Share Posted March 29, 2021 Thread Closed For Moderator Review Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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