What is really going on in the US?

[ellapenella]

26 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

My point is, if you are not in the U.S. you are as bad as @Cookie Monster standing on the hill looking at the U.S. through his foggy binoculars.  The fact that you don't ever answer a question tends to indicate you are some kind of angry troll who actually knows nothing about what is going on in the U.S.

Are you seriously asking me once again the same question? So you're trolling me whilst calling me a troll...put it together why I questioned you as suspect because that is a communist Marxist move. And if you ask me again I may start to wonder if you have short term memory loss.

[ellapenella]

 you're probably voting for this 

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what was it that you said Desertral56  " oh lord " 

 

 

Edited August 11, 2020 by ellapenella

[+and-then]

On 7/23/2020 at 3:45 PM, Gromdor said:

I'm thinking Trump is setting these guys up to get hurt, maimed, over even killed.  Three are already suffering permanent vision loss over in Portland and the fires and violence is only getting worse.

So if he does something, he's setting them up to be harmed.  If he refrains from doing anything, the governors and mayors say he's to blame because it happened on his watch and the average citizen seems to believe it even though he clearly does NOT have the power to intervene at the state level except in extraordinary situations.  If Chicago, Portland and Seattle's leaders won't stop the destruction then let them burn.  Let the media keep showing the images while independent videos are coming on YT that show the truth about the Marxists behavior.  If you think Americans want that kind of nonsense, you'd be wrong and I think November is going to make that very clear.  That's why the Ds have decided to intentionally muddy the waters by cheating with mail-in ballots.

[aztek]

.....in biden's case it is not picking a vp, he is picking the potus, cuz from what his stuffers say, the engine is running but nobody is behind the wheel.  not too long ago over 100 black leaders and celebrities urged him to pick a black woman,  i'd be fine with Candace owens,   otoh maybe kanye should offer her that spot, they might just win, hell, i'll vote for them over trump

Edited August 11, 2020 by aztek

[Jerry Gallo]

7 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Race isn't injected into 'everything' in 2020, and where's the 'holding one race above another' in your translation here?

You can't be serious. Sports, entertainment, nearly every news story that involves a black/white interaction, dictionaries re-defining racism. Anthems, statues, street names, buildings, etc. Joe Biden telling people if you don't vote for me, you ain't black. Then picking a VP who called him a racist, said his policies were racist. A black women so devout in her claims of racism that she stands on her principles by joining him on the ticket. Now that's conviction! Wait, she's going to reform him, right?

As for the holding one race above another, have to ask whoever said it. But there's plenty of evidence here that some side with a black criminal over a white cop almost every single time. Crime over law and order...based on race...seems to hold one race above another. White people genuflecting and bowing to black strangers is another example. People saying tear down all history because the only factor of history that matters is how the black person of today feels about a past they never experienced. In other words, if Biden were around 100 years ago, his statue should be torn down for whatever Harris used to conclude he and his policies are racist...guilty of the same things justifying the destruction. 

7 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

That's rather narrow and incomplete, and keep in mind BLM is about a lot more than the Floyd case.  Chauvin was white, Floyd was black, and there were three other cops there all who did nothing while Chauvin murdered Floyd.  Since white people commit more crimes than blacks and everyone's walking around with a video recorder, where's the counterexample of a white person being treated like this under similar circumstances?

BLM is about exploiting every black victim possible to create a narrative that white people are collectively and inherently racist. Look at the three biggest cases that put them on the map. Martin/Zimmerman...Brown/Wilson...Floyd Chauvin. All three cases saw riots before all evidence came out. We know Martin attacked Zimmerman, Brown attacked Wilson, Floyd resisted more than authorities let on...none of that matters to BLM, they still use those cases today insisting racist people killed innocent black men. And that list is long, where proof eventually told us otherwise. Do they retract anything? Do they acknowledge the damage caused was based on a false narrative? BLM is fraudulent activism - though I do believe some low level participants believe they are doing noble things...they too are being exploited.

Congrats...you've gone from accusing Chauvin of racism to racial conspiracy perpetrated by four cops. Not only is it inherently and infinitely more difficult to prove four men used race as the basis for their action/inaction, one cop is East Asian and another is black. So, are we now going to say that anyone who isn't black hates blacks? Even that some blacks are racist towards other blacks, the Uncle Tom narrative? I'll accept the conclusion that these cops you've added bleed blue and back each other in questionable fashion, but there is nothing other than biased conjecture that race played a part in Floyd's death. As for the last line, lack of evidence is not evidence...but see below.

7 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

So?  That's one data point, I'm not sure what you think it refutes, and it doesn't address the mountain of data that's been presented that shows racial bias in the justice system at almost all levels:

https://www.washingtonpost.com/graphics/2020/opinions/systemic-racism-police-evidence-criminal-justice-system/?itid=ap_radleybalko

Your link requires membership. But Google led to this article...

https://masscentral.com/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-washington-post/

You'll note...it says opinion. Of course, you dismiss a data point over opinion. Opinion based on academic research. Opinion who admits at the end...

" Finally, none of this is to say that race is the only thing we need to worry about in the criminal-justice system. Certainly, lots of white people are wrongly accused, arrested and convicted. Lots of white people are treated unfairly, beaten, and unjustifiably shot and killed by police officers. White people too are harmed by policies such as mandatory minimums, asset forfeiture, and abuse of police, prosecutorial and judicial power."

Now, go back to the previous question you asked...where's the counterexample. Well, you'd have to ask the folks who exploit the black victims and make claims like you did. Because it's clear that not only is the data point you ignore evidence it exists, but your editorial source also admits it exists. So the real question is, why are you not seeing it from the sources you get your information from? Is it that there is no activist mileage in it so it's never covered, or is it that it doesn't agree with your opinion, so it must not exist? Perhaps Balko can do his next study on why the white victims of the criminal justice system never get any press. 

[+and-then]

BLM says the looting is about "Reparations"  You really can't make this stuff up.  I hope these businesses invest in other cities or create an impervious facade to keep these scum out.  Chicago is the equivalent of a third world hell hole.  Let it burn.

[Jerry Gallo]

Cannon Hinnant. Google him. See who is NOT covering this. Reverse races of child and killer and tell me what the outcome would be in the media, in the streets, on this forum. 

[+Liquid Gardens]

2 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Your link requires membership. But Google led to this article...

https://masscentral.com/theres-overwhelming-evidence-that-the-criminal-justice-system-is-racist-washington-post/

You'll note...it says opinion. Of course, you dismiss a data point over opinion. Opinion based on academic research. Opinion who admits at the end...

Your link isn't the same as mine, the bottom of mine has tons of studies listed so it's not just 'opinion'.  I do not have a membership either so I don't know why you can't view it.

[Jerry Gallo]

5 minutes ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Your link isn't the same as mine, the bottom of mine has tons of studies listed so it's not just 'opinion'.  I do not have a membership either so I don't know why you can't view it.

Never said it was the same. Academic studies, from liberal academics. Of all I posted, best you can muster is excusing your guy? Surely links to the actual studies were provided? Simply linking the studies should be sufficient.

[+DieChecker]

13 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

What do you want them to say, the toddler was not injured, and not sure what it has to do with BLM.  Do people do bad things who also support BLM?  Of course, just like every group.  There are racists in the Blue Lives Matter movement, but most people who dwell in the right wing news bubble pitch a fit when that's pointed out and all of a sudden discover the groundbreaking idea that maybe a movement isn't defined by their worst representatives.  That includes BLM.

That statement also includes the Federal government and the Police. 

You spout wisdom but fail to apply it equally. Another good example of Liberal America. Thanks for crafting a great example for me.

[+DieChecker]

11 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

... and keep in mind BLM is about a lot more than the Floyd case.  Chauvin was white, Floyd was black, and there were three other cops there all who did nothing while Chauvin murdered Floyd. 

Do you believe if Floyd was Hispanic, that anything other the a 30 second blurb in the nightly news, would have happened.

Have you watched the body cam videos? There's ZERO evidence of racism. 

Negligent Manslaughter... 100%. Murder? Uo to a jury to decide. But no racism was evidenced. 

[Free99]

Trump is going to win. Just like last time people are going to crawl out of the wood work at the last few moments and put an end to all this media BS. Like he said the media is nothing but trash. It’s fake! Designed to sway you in one direction or the other wake up! He’s just p***ed them off putting them in their place. 

[+and-then]

12 minutes ago, Free99 said:

Trump is going to win. Just like last time people are going to crawl out of the wood work at the last few moments and put an end to all this media BS. Like he said the media is nothing but trash. It’s fake! Designed to sway you in one direction or the other wake up! He’s just p***ed them off putting them in their place. 

I agree and I believe this is the reason the Left is trying to introduce a system for voting that has never been tried on this scale.  They need to be able to complain that he's illegitimate.  I'm not sure why.  They've never accepted him from 2016 and had no proof of cheating on his part.  It will be almost amusing to watch them burn down their own cities.  

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

27 minutes ago, and then said:

I agree and I believe this is the reason the Left is trying to introduce a system for voting that has never been tried on this scale.  .  

Yeap, totally this and totally not anything at all to do with the global pandemic that is killing Americans on a scale exceeding all wars put together.

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, and then said:

I agree and I believe this is the reason the Left is trying to introduce a system for voting that has never been tried on this scale.  They need to be able to complain that he's illegitimate.  I'm not sure why.  They've never accepted him from 2016 and had no proof of cheating on his part.  It will be almost amusing to watch them burn down their own cities.  

The constant political corruption from a biased media to a fake impeachment is great from the democrats perspective. They dont see the problem with it at all.

But it aint gonna go down well with the American public at the voting booths. That party has destroyed how large numbers of people see it along with their trust to represent the electorate. They want socialism at any cost. No matter who they have to lock up, no matter who they have to destroy, and no matter what the American voters want.

Those of us who are unbiased can see a kick-in coming for the democrats. Trump currently exists in the position of being a severally unfairly treated underdog who is quite competent at his job. He is so gonna walk it.

[Golden Duck]

2 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Those of us who are unbiased

      

 

     

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

The constant political corruption from a biased media to a fake impeachment is great from the democrats perspective. They dont see the problem with it at all.

But it aint gonna go down well with the American public at the voting booths. That party has destroyed how large numbers of people see it along with their trust to represent the electorate. They want socialism at any cost. No matter who they have to lock up, no matter who they have to destroy, and no matter what the American voters want.

Those of us who are unbiased can see a kick-in coming for the democrats. Trump currently exists in the position of being a severally unfairly treated underdog who is quite competent at his job. He is so gonna walk it.

I think if you want to watch a real horror show you can find everything you need by watching what is going on in the British Royal Family. There is enough there to keep you busy for the rest of your life, just look at Prince Andrew the Pedophile and the crimes he committed on Epstein Island using children for his sexual pleasure. I think that would be a good discussion, I mean since he did Thosecthings there how many children has he harmed in Britain,  now that should be investigated because that is some real sick crap. 

You see Cookie Monster there is plenty that can be discussed about your homeland, political or other wise, and I think it is time to start bring it out in the open, so carry on Cookie!!!

[Grim Reaper 6]

14 hours ago, ellapenella said:

 

 

Speaking of Trolls that is all you have done for the last few weeks on this forum, it is really rich you calling someone else a troll.

Seriouly if I were you I would find a bridge to hide under!!

Edited August 12, 2020 by Manwon Lender

[toast]

WTH is "nuclear family"? Mom Trident, dad Minuteman with 2 kids, B61 + W84?

[ellapenella]

1 hour ago, Manwon Lender said:

Speaking of Trolls that is all you have done for the last few weeks on this forum, it is really rich you calling someone else a troll.

Seriouly if I were you I would find a bridge to hide under!!

 I haven't even visited this forum in the last few weeks,  and because someone  refuses  to admit  that  they can't comprehend  that "here and now " means "the present  time" whilst  repeatedly  asking me  to explain  what "here and now" means to them  instead of  actually addressing what was mentioned which was " if people really wanted to stop police wrong doings people would not put one race above the other in doing do,  if so, they are not honest. "  whereas    LG  says something  completely unrelated to it disregarding the present  we all inhabit followed up by desertytral56   questioning me to explain what does here and now mean   when all I was speaking about is the present day in regards  to what is really going on in the U.S pertaining to  blm.

 

 

 

Edited August 12, 2020 by ellapenella
typo

[Grim Reaper 6]

7 minutes ago, ellapenella said:

 I haven't even visited this forum in the last few weeks,  and because someone  refuses  to admit  that  they can't comprehend  that "here and now " means "the present  time" whilst  repeatedly  asking me  to explain  what "here and now" means to them  instead of  actually addressing what was mentioned which was " if people really wanted to stop police wrong doings people would not put one race above the other in doing do,  if so, they are not honest. "  whereas    LG  says something  completely unrelated to it disregarding the present  we all inhabit followed up by desertytral56   questioning me to explain what does here and now mean   when all I was speaking about is the present day in regards  to what is really going on in the U.S pertaining to  blm.

 

 

 

I had a little conversation with you not long ago, and you intentionally did not answer my questions, and responded with nothing  related to what I asked you. All my comments we're phrased in a respectful manner, and you continued on with your agenda. So .I am sorry, but I don't buy what your saying, I know the forum member you were conversing with and unlike you she doesn't Troll around bothering anyone.

 

[ellapenella]

7 minutes ago, toast said:

WTH is "nuclear family"? Mom Trident, dad Minuteman with 2 kids, B61 + W84?

You can think of it as when we violate structures which  God has designed  to be, somewhere along time there will be catastrophic consequences. 

[Duke Wellington]

14 minutes ago, ellapenella said:

 I haven't even visited this forum in the last few weeks,  and because someone  refuses  to admit  that  they can't comprehend  that "here and now " means "the present  time" whilst  repeatedly  asking me  to explain  what "here and now" means to them  instead of  actually addressing what was mentioned which was " if people really wanted to stop police wrong doings people would not put one race above the other in doing do,  if so, they are not honest. "  whereas    LG  says something  completely unrelated to it disregarding the present  we all inhabit followed up by desertytral56   questioning me to explain what does here and now mean   when all I was speaking about is the present day in regards  to what is really going on in the U.S pertaining to blm.

When presented with an argument or fact that upsets their anti-Trump worldview they engage in a whole range of mental gymnastics to invalidate your argument or the revealed fact. At a deep level they know they are speaking BS, but they hide it from themselves to maintain their delusion.

With the `here and now` comment thats a perfect example. Everybody knows exactly what it means, those asking you to repeatedly explain it are engaging in magical thinking. You probably gave the poor sod a twitch over your truthful comment. 

[ellapenella]

7 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I had a little conversation with you not long ago, and you intentionally did not answer my questions, and responded with nothing  related to what I asked you. All my comments we're phrased in a respectful manner, and you continued on with your agenda. So .I am sorry, but I don't buy what your saying, I know the forum member you were conversing with and unlike you she doesn't Troll around bothering anyone.

 

  I was polite with you then and I am polite with you now. And I was polite in stating that" if people really want to stop police wrongdoings they would not place one race above another in doing so they are dishonest."  If my views of blm don't appease a few of you  on the matter of what is going on in the U.S I refuse to be lead astray off topic. 

 

[Duke Wellington]

Just now, ellapenella said:

You can think of it as when we violate structures which  God has designed  to be, somewhere along time there will be catastrophic consequences. 

God created us to be free.

The universe is designed to favour the freest nations, not those who control their people. If you look throughout history those nations which rose to greatest all gave their people the largest degrees of freedom. The secret is that God doesnt want people who behave morally because they are forced too, it wants people who behave morally because they are moral. Freedom separates the wheat from the chaff so to speak.

The Greeks, the Romans, the Brits, and the Americans, are all perfectly good examples. They gave their people the most freedom and all rose to greatness as a result. In addition when we act to take away the freedom of other peoples we force them down because they are then at odds with Gods plan.

So the aim of a state is to give its people as much freedom as possible, for that state to fight to protect that freedom, and for the state to take away the freedom of other peoples. Thats how great nations arise. While you might think what I just said is bonkers just look over history for your proof.

Right now the US is the greatest nation on Earth because for the last two centuries it has by far given its people the most freedom. It used to be Britain but early in the 20th century the liberal-socialists started to reduce our freedom. Now they are at it in the USA. From identity politics, to atheism, to cries of fascism unless you agree with Communism, they are at work trying to close down the level of freedom which Americans enjoy. They want everyone to agree with them and to silence and drive out everyone who doesnt.

God has sent Trump both to punish them, and to ensure the US stays free.