What is really going on in the US?

[Gromdor]

3 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Firstly its not a British empire, it would be an Anglo-American realm that respects each member states independence and promotes continued success for our collective future. A little bit like an Anglo-American version of the Holy Roman Empire. in essence, a minimalist confederation.

Secondly my country used to take slaves centuries ago as did Prussia. In fact, most of the planet did. When we have all indulged in the same crime then I wont have you lecturing me about my countries past. Especially not from a German. In case you missed it none of us practice slavery anymore and even modern day Prussians have recently learned the error of their ways.

Thirdly a CANZUKUS or CANZUK + US would have internal access to a vast wealth of resources and be extremely powerful. That would ensure the realm leads the world for centuries to come. I would sure prefer that compared to a German led EU leading the world. Britain and America have done a lot for the development of civilization. It wasn`t wholly positive (although overall it was very positive) and it wasn`t wholly negative either as some try to claim. Britain and America can carry on building up civilization for centuries to come as far as I`m concerned.

Things aren't going so well with Canada right now.  https://www.wjr.com/2020/07/16/canada-to-americans-we-dont-want-you-here/

 

 

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

Things aren't going so well with Canada right now.  https://www.wjr.com/2020/07/16/canada-to-americans-we-dont-want-you-here/

How are border closures due to coronavirus relevant to my post?

[ellapenella]

5 hours ago, toast said:

Why?

because it's not working out for millions of people.

[ellapenella]

5 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Yep, he sure did.

God created us to be free and favours those nations which give their peoples the most freedom. Look at everywhere that is free and compare what life in like is them to everywhere that controls their populations. That has always been true throughout the whole of history. Freedom goes with wealth, high quality of life, and happiness. Control goes with poverty, suffering, and misery.

If the EU can work with nations that are quite different from each other then I`m quite sure a CANZUKUS can work. And, unlike the EU there is no need for us to so heavily give up our independence. A 5 eyes alliance, a 5 eyes trading zone, free movement of our people, build a wall all around it to keep out illegal immigrants and put some gunboats in the English Channel to sink and that try crossing, a common space program to establish off world colonies taking it to 6 eyes then 7 then 8 etc.

Our foreign policies are pretty much aligned anyway due to us being brother and sister nations from the same source. But unlike with the EU I`m all for having a foreign policy council where all 5 of us can decide what international actions the Anglo-American realm should take. We are all the same but have fragmented away over history due to one reason or another.

The EU can crash and burn as far as I`m concerned. I sincerely hope it fails in the most literal meaning of the term. Down with the EU!!! What in Gods name our we doing being a member of Germanys attempt at hegemony? We have seen what 340 million Americans can do, imagine what 460 million Anglo-Americans can do?

Not only  will it work,  it will work best for the people.

 

[Setton]

18 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Yep talks have started to create Canzuk with a GDP of $4 to $5 trillion.

The EU wont give us a free trade agreement, it thinks it owns and controls us so keeps saying we can only have one if we agree to a nice big long list of conditions designed to blunt us economically.

I personally would like to see Canzukus and put Trump in charge.

1510 days.

That's who long it's taken you to go from 'we must be a proud independent country' to 'we must invite a foreign power to rule over us'.

You're a disgrace and a traitor to our country.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Setton

[ellapenella]

12 hours ago, and then said:

Another example of what's really going on in America:

There's a storm brewing...

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12384100/cannon-hinnant-killed-north-carolina-darius-sessoms/

 

This is beyond disturbing. Both families knew each other for decades. They had him over their house for dinner the day before. The next day he murders their 5 yr. old son for apparently riding his bike on their property.

Police have alleged that his neighbor, 25-year-old Darius Sessoms, shot him at 'point-blank' range after he rode his bike onto his property.

 

[Setton]

10 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Indeed, posted about him almost 24 hours ago, not one leftist with the sack to even acknowledge it.

What acknowledgement are you expecting exactly?

That there are murderers of all colours, sizes, sexes and ages?

That this somehow invalidates the protests against police brutality towards people of colour? It doesn't.

In fact, it has absolutely no relevance to the topic. Which is probably why no one has acknowledged it.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Setton

[ellapenella]

 

[quillius]

1 hour ago, Setton said:

What acknowledgement are you expecting exactly?

That there are murderers of all colours, sizes, sexes and ages?

That this somehow invalidates the protests against police brutality towards people of colour? It doesn't.

In fact, it has absolutely no relevance to the topic. Which is probably why no one has acknowledged it.

it doesn't invalidate as this would imply its validated to begin with..... 

[Duke Wellington]

2 hours ago, Setton said:

1510 days.

That's who long it's taken you to go from 'we must be a proud independent country' to 'we must invite a foreign power to rule over us'.

You're a disgrace and a traitor to our country.

The reunification of the Anglo realm in a way acceptable to all sides would be a dam good thing.

No Englishman I have ever known refers to people like the Canadians as foreigners. It suggests you arent even English. You are probably a UK based BAME protestor who thinks anything other than having a weak insignificant nation which capitulates to EU rule is in fact fascism.

Save your typing, a reply isn`t required.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Cookie Monster

[Duke Wellington]

Doesnt it look pretty?

And if we are really quick we can add the Moon or Mars to it.

[Setton]

1 hour ago, quillius said:

it doesn't invalidate as this would imply its validated to begin with..... 

So what is the relevance?

[+Desertrat56]

7 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

How are border closures due to coronavirus relevant to my post?

Ha, the shoe is on the other foot. 

[+Desertrat56]

It looks like the "What's going on in America" is almost completely posters in the UK.  I guess Cookie Monster is sharing his foggy glasses.  So far I only see posts and links from MSM and very little from people who are actually here.  So, you can take news items and pretend like that is what is really going on, no, that is News, it is always the worst in order to sell.  The advertisers would not be paying for news media outlets to post about ordinary people.  And when any of us IN THE U.S. posts something to this thread we get accused of being commies and other things.  Any rational person can make a list from this thread of the trolls.  The real people from the UK are not participating in this craziness.  So it becomes obvious in this thread who is who.

[Setton]

51 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The reunification of the Anglo realm in a way acceptable to all sides would be a dam good thing.

No Englishman I have ever known refers to people like the Canadians as foreigners. It suggests you arent even English. You are probably a UK based BAME protestor who thinks anything other than having a weak insignificant nation which capitulates to EU rule is in fact fascism.

Save your typing, a reply isn`t required.

Tough. You're getting it.

The definition of foreign is 'not from or of this country'. Canada, the US and literally every other country are foreign powers.

To say otherwise suggests that you do not even speak English, let alone that you are English. My guess at the moment is Russian, or at least in their pay.

You can create whatever fantasies of me you like. I know you're more at home there than reality. But in the unlikely event any foreign power comes to rule over my country it will be over my dead body. And yours if it's at your invitation.

Edited August 13, 2020 by Setton

[+Liquid Gardens]

14 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Eyeroll........ Forget it... 

Didn't think you could back it up.

 

[ellapenella]

5 hours ago, ellapenella said:

 

Hopefully people will take a few minutes and  watch this video, it's well worth it,this man's point of view concerning everything  going on in the U.S is right on point but near the very  ending his video buffs right after he says that he does not think that this was a race motivated thing, but when the video runs again he ends in saying that the guy chose to be a sick monster. 

So pretty much he's  heartbroken over this child and is also trying to educate people on how there's a lot of  order out of chaos going on deliberately and the media has it's role in it as well. divide and concur. 

I can't fully agree with him regarding one thing and that is whether  or not  this was a race related thing or  not .   I don't jump to conclusions  in instances when people get themselves killed by police at times and the media runs it non stop as if to make matters look as if the case was such.

I suppose we should find out soon if this was race related or not maybe by social media if any is there to confirm that it was.

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, Liquid Gardens said:

It makes sense to base the vote on the concept that every citizen's vote is worth the same as every other citizen's vote.

The answer is the Electoral College.  A popular vote might make sense if Americans were homogeneous.  We are not.  In an EC vote scenario, if a vote is on the losing side does not make it worth any less.  That’s what you are doing; making it less because of your mindset.  In our system, win or lose, your vote counts in that it preserves our form of government.  In a pure democracy scenario, those on the losing side don’t count.  That is the core of democracy.  In majority rule (mob rule), there is no guarantee to protect the rights of the minority.  The EC offers protection for minorities, allowing their views to stand with the more popular ones.

 

The EC provides for the widest possible appeal, which means that more people from more locales vote for a President, rather than just 2 concentrations of votes determining outcome.  The President is the President of *ALL* of the United States, not just the President of two concentrations.  The Democrats learned how to manipulate the EC.  They figure that if you can win 15 of the 25 most populated counties (3143 total) that you will win.  That is what Obama did.  The DNC focused on primarily those 25 counties.  That is what Hilary was counting on, but Trump beat that strategy.  Trump visited every state.  Hilary couldn’t keep up.  As long as the EC is working for the Left, they don’t seem so interested in doing away with the EC, but once it doesn’t then it’s an imperative to do away with it.  A candidate winning the Presidency without the popular vote has only occurred 5 times (~9%) and those were close elections.  If you can’t win both, then you shouldn’t be President (but somebody has to).  It is like a two-factor security access.  This assures that mob rule does not win out.  The thing is, is that the Dems only control those 25 counties.  Trump commands the rest.  I don’t see Biden winning very many of those Red Counties.  Trump could carry more than 10 of those Blue counties because of the violence in those areas.

 

You didn’t answer the question, so let me ask it this way.  Should those living in the farmlands of Illinois or Kansas sit still to be ruled by the inner cities of New York or LA?  That is what Democracy brings – mob rule.  if you get 51% of the vote, you can turn on those that don’t share your sensibilities.  In Federalist #68, Hamilton stated (referring to electors to the EC): “It was desirable that the sense of the people should operate in the choice of the person to whom so important a trust was to be confided.”  The bolded word is what is the operative here.  “Sense” differed from one locale to the next.  “Sense” was to operate in the choice of electing rather than a popularity contest to be President.  The President was to be elected on ability.  Trump was precisely the type the Founding Fathers thought of to be President and not some professional politician.

 

The reasons that the Electoral College was established are largely obsolete, mass communication has changed just a few things. 

The EC is hardly obsolete.  Mass communications just sped things up.  It did raise the imperative that the EC is needed more now than ever.  What you have to understand about the Constitution is that it is less about a form of government, than it is about human nature.  As it will be humans that execute said form of government.  Which means that government will be controlled by the frailties of human nature.  Do you really want that?  That is what the tyranny of Socialism is.  The Constitution puts checks and balances on human nature, especially in the abuse of Democracy.  You should read the Federalist Papers.  They are very dry but there are many papers that have been rewritten in today’s English that make things clearer.  If the Constitution is the new toy, then the Federalist Papers are its user manual.  Those that want to rewrite the Constitution have not read the Federalist Papers or do not agree with the intent of the Founding Fathers.  The former can be corrected by studying the Federalist Papers and our Founding Fathers.  the latter should just be ignored out-of-hand.

 

I'd be satisfied with Cal and NY 'making the difference' to the extent that their populations reflect that. 

But they don’t and never will, so you shouldn’t.  Don’t be that easy.  Every state is divided into an Urban part and a Rural part.  Those two never see eye to eye.  And shouldn’t be expected to.  If you went with the popular vote, Urban areas would rule in perpetuity (usually by just a few percentage points).  Illinois is a stark example.  You have Chicago which is heavy Blue but as you get a few miles out of town, it turns into a mostly Red state.  We have a friend that is a farmer in that state and she is always complaining about the politics coming out of Chicago.

 

Although, that may be changing.  With the exodus from the big inner city, populations are shifting to the small town.  Manufacturing looking for a small area to setup and hire locally.  Merchants coming in setting up curio shops and food services.  Small towns are being revitalized.  But the one draw back is that those that are fleeing the city are bringing the sensibilities they are escaping with them.

 

Why should how much someone's vote is worth depend on where they are located? 

It doesn’t.  If you think it does then you miss the point.  You seemed to have glossed over a lot of my post.

 

Whatever unfairness you see in the idea that Cal and NY 'make the difference' if we didn't have the EC is to me even more countered by the fact that someone's vote in Wyoming is currently worth three times as much as someone's vote in Cal from an Electoral College point of view.  https://theconversation.com/whose-votes-count-the-least-in-the-electoral-college-74280

It is really quite simple.  Your link is an interesting analysis but it is overkill.  You’re over analyzing it.  It’s not that they (CA & NY) ‘make the difference’, it’s that the EC prevents them from dominating the elections.  If they dominate the election then everybody else’s vote does not count.  No one but those two states need to ever vote again.  Will people flock to move to these states or leave them?  Once you establish this precedence, the elected President will not represent all of America and those parts that are disenfranchised will begin to secede.  The EC is one reason our Union is preserved.

[+Liquid Gardens]

15 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Post number 80, full of words and thoughts you conveniently skipped over because you don't have any answers

Really, that's why, ha you're a telepath now?  I didn't bother to respond to your post of opinions much because if I wondered what Tucker Carlson told you to think lately, I'd just watch him.  You also need to pick a horse and ride it; you want linked studies from me, but I'm supposed to respond to your mere opinions?  You do know that, "BLM is about exploiting every black victim possible to create a narrative that white people are collectively and inherently racist." is an opinion, right?  Unless you've got an 'academic study' to back it up?

15 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Let's talk actual data...you know, the stuff you tend to ignore.

Can't ignore what you don't usually provide.

15 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

so now all police are racist against Hispanics.

Ha, is this an example of how you 'talk actual data'? 

16 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

1. * - Hispanics are also more likely to interact with police, so now all police are racist against Hispanics.
2. * - Other races are more likely than blacks to interact with police. Unsure which other races that covers...Asians, Native Americans, Eskimos, Hawaiians, etc. So now all cops hate everyone who isn't white.
3. * - Resident initiated contact also indicates that residents hate blacks, Hispanics, and other races.
4. * - Cops are 3.5x likely to initiate contact with drivers agd 16-17 than drivers age 45-64. Now cops hate kids.
5. * - The studies tell us the race of the driver, but doesn't tell the race of the cop or the resident who called the cops. If the cop or resident is black calling on another black...covered this once in the info you conveniently ignored.
6. * - Studies tell us nothing about reason pulled over or result of stop. What if police let more blacks off than whites, how do we find that out.
7. * - Blacks are 2.7x more likely to interact with police due to traffic accident...now bad luck is racist!
8. * - BJS stats are authored by...PhD...academics

1. What does that have to do with idea that there's racism in the justice system?  Doesn't that support the idea?
2. I didn't see that in the study, please point it out if you recall where it was.  It does say, "Finally, we limit our analysis to drivers classified as white, black or Hispanic, as there were relatively few recorded stops of drivers in other race groups." which doesn't seem to agree with your point, but it's a long study so maybe you're referring to something else.
3. Huh?  Objection, relevance?  I think you might be misconstruing what the point is and are arguing against some other point, given all your straw men with the word 'hate'.
4. Gee, I wonder if there might be anything about 16-17 year olds (psst - like they're inexperienced drivers) that might lead to increased police contact...
5. If the cop or resident is black calling on another black... what exactly?  The Nature study you were addressing is about traffic stops which very rarely involves people calling the cops.  (Keep in mind that there's nothing wrong with 'ignoring' points that are not relevant.)
6. What is the relevance of the reason they pulled them over across a large number of stops, like 100 million of them?  'What ifs' can be discussed once we have some 'actual data' to discuss concerning them.
7. Citation please.
8. Relevance?  Yes, you need training and expertise to conduct studies and analyze data.  Are you saying all the stats and studies that support your perspective are not done by academics?

16 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

When you consider the context, you must consider the possibility that blacks interact with police more because they are in situations that put them in that position.

As you 'must consider' that blacks interact with police more because of systemic racism in the justice system, since there are plenty of impoverished white people too who are largely in the same 'position'.

16 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

If the system were inherently racist, you wouldn't see the disparity based on age, geography, or income.

Not if when you control for those variables you still see certain racial disparities?  

16 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Now, I realize that this counter will be ignored

I'm satisfied I've cleared that bar here, I'm certainly not ignoring any more than you are since you only commented on one study, kinda. Which of your points applies to the observation that shows that blacks are less likely to be pulled over after dark than in the day?  That was the first finding mentioned in the Nature study abstract, speaking of 'ignoring'.  Quite a coinkydink if there's no racial component to it all, no?  

As an aside, I think it's too bad that overall this is viewed by many as an either/or situation between Black and Blue LM, it's too bad it can't be both (unfortunately 'the media' probably profits more if it's set up as an adversarial relationship which doesn't help).  I think it's pretty plain, if you look at the data, that something is definitely up with the racial disparities across all levels of the justice system and that it does indicate systemic racism.  I also think that cops should both be better trained and most importantly paid significantly more than they currently are, and I think there are lots of additional structural issues that should also be addressed, although that will be difficult.  I've seen plenty of cops state that there was a lot wrong with Floyd's arrest and death for instance and that it should have never happened.  There probably are arguments to be made that the other cops there perhaps were just 'following orders/protocol' but that's just another indication of much needed reform.  I have a lot of sympathy for the police and the jobs some of them have to do, but that doesn't mean they are above reproach or that they don't have the same kind of problems and deficiencies like any other organization; since they are a govt organization, people on the right should especially understand that.

[RavenHawk]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Doesnt it look pretty?

And if we are really quick we can add the Moon or Mars to it.

Isn’t that pretty much the Commonwealth?

 

I could see Japan and India joining.  China wouldn’t like it.  Just imagine the shift in power if Vietnam and Philippines joined too?

[aztek]

2 hours ago, ellapenella said:

Hopefully people will take a few minutes and  watch this video,

you mean liberals?   nope

[Duke Wellington]

20 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Isn’t that pretty much the Commonwealth?

I could see Japan and India joining.  China wouldn’t like it.  Just imagine the shift in power if Vietnam and Philippines joined too?

No to Japan and India. The only other two countries that might possibility be allowed to join are Ireland and France.

[aztek]

On 8/12/2020 at 11:05 AM, aztek said:

 

 

https://www.yahoo.com/news/seattle-shop-owners-close-business-095752612.html

like i said riots will drive business out, ruin economy,  they is the intended purpose of the riots, not any equality or justice. 

Retail Chains Abandon Manhattan: ‘It’s Unsustainable’

https://www.nytimes.com/2020/08/11/nyregion/nyc-economy-chain-stores.html

so thousands more jobs are lost permanently,  all because of democrats 

[Golden Duck]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

No to Japan and India. The only other two countries that might possibility be allowed to join are Ireland and France.

And the Commonwealth realms you're excluding.

There's a pattern forming.

[Duke Wellington]

5 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

And the Commonwealth realms you're excluding.

There's a pattern forming.

They were never Brits, they were peoples that we conquered.