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What is really going on in the US?

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Golden Duck
3 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Yep talks have started to create Canzuk with a GDP of $4 to $5 trillion.

The EU wont give us a free trade agreement, it thinks it owns and controls us so keeps saying we can only have one if we agree to a nice big long list of conditions designed to blunt us economically.

I personally would like to see Canzukus and put Trump in charge.

All the while whinging about globalists.

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Liquid Gardens
17 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Never said it was the same. Academic studies, from liberal academics. Of all I posted, best you can muster is excusing your guy?

Hahaha, "of all you posted"?  Where was that again?  How do you know the studies are by liberal academics, I thought the link didn't work for you?  Okay, well I just got to my link on my phone and I as I said I don't have a membership either so that doesn't seem to be the problem you're having; maybe I'm not 'mustering an excuse' and you just need a bit more training on how to use the internet?

17 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Surely links to the actual studies were provided? Simply linking the studies should be sufficient.

There are I think over 100 studies and reports listed, here's a random sample. 

A massive study published in May 2020 of 95 million traffic stops by 56 police agencies between 2011 and 2018 found that while black people were much more likely to be pulled over than whites, the disparity lessens at night, when police are less able to distinguish the race of the driver. The study also found that blacks were more likely to be searched after a stop, though whites were more likely to be found with illicit drugs. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1

2020 report on 1.8 million police stops by the eight largest law enforcement agencies in California found that blacks were stopped at a rate 2.5 times higher than the per capita rate of whites. The report also found that black people were far more likely to be stopped for “reasonable suspicion” (as opposed to actually breaking a law) and were three times more likely than any other group to be searched, even though searches of white people were more likely to turn up contraband.  https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2020-01-02/report-california-cops-more-likely-to-stop-black-drivers

A 2017 study of more than 10,000 cases handled by a public defender’s office in San Francisco found that black and Latino defendants were more likely to be incarcerated while awaiting trial, had to wait longer for their trials to begin, were less likely to see their charges reduced and were more likely to see new misdemeanor charges added.  https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/6793-examining-racial-disparities-may-2017-full

Like I said, plenty more listed.  What do you have to counter them?

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Liquid Gardens
17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

You spout wisdom but fail to apply it equally.

Where, what are you talking about?  Where did I not apply it equally, quote me.

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

There's ZERO evidence of racism.

Methinks you may have a different definition of racism than others; agreed, they weren't wearing white sheets.

17 hours ago, DieChecker said:

Negligent Manslaughter... 100%. Murder? Uo to a jury to decide. But no racism was evidenced. 

Then you have quite an incident. If this was just Chauvin it would be one thing, that's one bad apple.  The problem is that there are four cops there; there is something seriously wrong when the other three sit around and allow this to happen, that indicates there's more going on than just one bad person, that indicates systemic problems.  Of course there are far more incidents than this, along with history, along with testimony of cops themselves concerning excessive use of force and racism in their ranks.

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Another example of what's really going on in America:

There's a storm brewing...

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razman
11 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

God created us to be free.

The universe is designed to favour the freest nations, not those who control their people. If you look throughout history those nations which rose to greatest all gave their people the largest degrees of freedom. The secret is that God doesnt want people who behave morally because they are forced too, it wants people who behave morally because they are moral. Freedom separates the wheat from the chaff so to speak.

The Greeks, the Romans, the Brits, and the Americans, are all perfectly good examples. They gave their people the most freedom and all rose to greatness as a result. In addition when we act to take away the freedom of other peoples we force them down because they are then at odds with Gods plan.

So the aim of a state is to give its people as much freedom as possible, for that state to fight to protect that freedom, and for the state to take away the freedom of other peoples. Thats how great nations arise. While you might think what I just said is bonkers just look over history for your proof.

Right now the US is the greatest nation on Earth because for the last two centuries it has by far given its people the most freedom. It used to be Britain but early in the 20th century the liberal-socialists started to reduce our freedom. Now they are at it in the USA. From identity politics, to atheism, to cries of fascism unless you agree with Communism, they are at work trying to close down the level of freedom which Americans enjoy. They want everyone to agree with them and to silence and drive out everyone who doesnt.

God has sent Trump both to punish them, and to ensure the US stays free.

What are you on about? God sent trump now?

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Although by the time trump is done , people be begging for god.:)

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Manwon Lender
12 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

When presented with an argument or fact that upsets their anti-Trump worldview they engage in a whole range of mental gymnastics to invalidate your argument or the revealed fact. At a deep level they know they are speaking BS, but they hide it from themselves to maintain their delusion.

With the `here and now` comment thats a perfect example. Everybody knows exactly what it means, those asking you to repeatedly explain it are engaging in magical thinking. You probably gave the poor sod a twitch over your truthful comment. 

Well at least we take showers and wash our hands. Now that's something you never do, maybe you should try it sometime it would most likely give you New outlook on the world.:devil::geek:

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Jerry Gallo
2 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Hahaha, "of all you posted"?  Where was that again?  How do you know the studies are by liberal academics, I thought the link didn't work for you?  Okay, well I just got to my link on my phone and I as I said I don't have a membership either so that doesn't seem to be the problem you're having; maybe I'm not 'mustering an excuse' and you just need a bit more training on how to use the internet?

 

Post number 80, full of words and thoughts you conveniently skipped over because you don't have any answers. I don't need the link to work...although I linked to it from the article I posted and it did work...academics are by nature, liberal. But I'll look at the studies like I have in the past. See what questions the studies create and see if you have any answers to them.

2 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

There are I think over 100 studies and reports listed, here's a random sample. 

A massive study published in May 2020 of 95 million traffic stops by 56 police agencies between 2011 and 2018 found that while black people were much more likely to be pulled over than whites, the disparity lessens at night, when police are less able to distinguish the race of the driver. The study also found that blacks were more likely to be searched after a stop, though whites were more likely to be found with illicit drugs. https://www.nature.com/articles/s41562-020-0858-1

2020 report on 1.8 million police stops by the eight largest law enforcement agencies in California found that blacks were stopped at a rate 2.5 times higher than the per capita rate of whites. The report also found that black people were far more likely to be stopped for “reasonable suspicion” (as opposed to actually breaking a law) and were three times more likely than any other group to be searched, even though searches of white people were more likely to turn up contraband.  https://www.usnews.com/news/best-states/california/articles/2020-01-02/report-california-cops-more-likely-to-stop-black-drivers

A 2017 study of more than 10,000 cases handled by a public defender’s office in San Francisco found that black and Latino defendants were more likely to be incarcerated while awaiting trial, had to wait longer for their trials to begin, were less likely to see their charges reduced and were more likely to see new misdemeanor charges added.  https://www.law.upenn.edu/live/files/6793-examining-racial-disparities-may-2017-full

Like I said, plenty more listed.  What do you have to counter them?

Let's just take one for now, let's discuss Nature's study. Nature is currently ran by a scientific academic (geneticist, to be specific), the site is based in the UK. But, their study is based on Bureau of Justice Statistics, so I won't dismiss their editorial comments as most on the left do. I will point out though, that their conclusions, as well as Balko, is opinion, not fact. But, let's not waste time splitting hairs over the bias of the editorial. Let's talk actual data...you know, the stuff you tend to ignore.

1. While it is true the data in the BJS stats show blacks are more likely to interact with police, what they conveniently leave out are the following bits of data.

* - Hispanics are also more likely to interact with police, so now all police are racist against Hispanics.

* - Other races are more likely than blacks to interact with police. Unsure which other races that covers...Asians, Native Americans, Eskimos, Hawaiians, etc. So now all cops hate everyone who isn't white.

* - Resident initiated contact also indicates that residents hate blacks, Hispanics, and other races.

* - Cops are 3.5x likely to initiate contact with drivers agd 16-17 than drivers age 45-64. Now cops hate kids.

* - The studies tell us the race of the driver, but doesn't tell the race of the cop or the resident who called the cops. If the cop or resident is black calling on another black...covered this once in the info you conveniently ignored.

* - Studies tell us nothing about reason pulled over or result of stop. What if police let more blacks off than whites, how do we find that out.

* - Blacks are 2.7x more likely to interact with police due to traffic accident...now bad luck is racist!

* - BJS stats are authored by...PhD...academics

Looking at the other data tables used for the Nature study, were you aware that police interactions were down across the board between 2011 and 2015? You know which race they are down the most? Blacks. The least? Whites.

There are 21 data sets in just one part of the study. If given the time, I can cite this info that flies in the face of the conclusions reached by Balko and Nature, either by ignoring data as you do, or by not giving context. For example, if you drill down on the data to see who is interacting with police, it's generally 16-17 year olds in poverty in cities between 500K and 1M. When you consider the context, you must consider the possibility that blacks interact with police more because they are in situations that put them in that position. If the system were inherently racist, you wouldn't see the disparity based on age, geography, or income. Hence, the reason WHY blacks interact more is extremely unlikely to be based on racism of the cop. They interact more most likely because they are unemployed, have no family or money to go home to, and have never been shown how to be structured...which takes us back to the leaders in our major cities...Democrats, who have done nothing to stop blacks from being in the position for LE to bother them.

Now, I realize that this counter will be ignored...and that is fine...13 is always a click away if you don't bring more to the table than nonsensical studies that agree with you, but don't prove systemic racism. Studies meant to create the illusion of racism for people who don't dig deep or have the intellect to comprehend the data. D- for you and Balko. 

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Jerry Gallo
1 hour ago, and then said:

Another example of what's really going on in America:

There's a storm brewing...

Indeed, posted about him almost 24 hours ago, not one leftist with the sack to even acknowledge it.

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Manwon Lender

Well it seems that A Black Lives Matter Organizer in Chicago has stated that the items stolen from Businesses are reparations, what a bunch of crap these people think they are owed for breaking the law. This needs to be stopped, Protests I agree with, but intentionally stealing because you think you are owed and because the Businesses are insured is nothing but criminal behavior and this behavior can't be tolerated.

https://www.newsweek.com/black-lives-matter-chicago-defends-looting-reparations-1524502

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DieChecker
18 hours ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Yeap, totally this and totally not anything at all to do with the global pandemic that is killing Americans on a scale exceeding all wars put together.

Didnt see anyone call this out, but are you stating an opinion, or a fact?

Between 600k and 700k soldiers died in the American Civil War, over like 5 years. Now, if you are suggesting over the same timescale Covid19 might equal that.

WW2 led to about 400k American deaths. So, all Wars put together is probably well over a million.

By what date does Covid19 have to kill a million to make your statement true? 3 years? 5 years?

To date, I believe just over 150k Americans have died of Covid19 related illness.

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DieChecker
4 hours ago, Liquid Gardens said:

Where, what are you talking about?  Where did I not apply it equally, quote me.

Eyeroll........ Forget it... 

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Methinks you may have a different definition of racism than others; agreed, they weren't wearing white sheets.

Soooooo.... What is your evidence of racism in this incident? Point out evidence of racism.

"Durr... Hurrr... Da CNN tol' me so...."

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Then you have quite an incident. If this was just Chauvin it would be one thing, that's one bad apple. The problem is that there are four cops there; there is something seriously wrong when the other three sit around and allow this to happen, that indicates there's more going on than just one bad person, that indicates systemic problems. Of course there are far more incidents than this, along with history, along with testimony of cops themselves concerning excessive use of force and racism in their ranks.

OK. I admitted manslaughter. If the other three sat arround is up to discussion. Did you watch the cop body cam footage. Its clear some of thise three repeatedly questioned Chauvin. But he was the senior officer and two of the four were still rookies in training.

Regardless, in this incident, you've shown nothing to indicate Murder, or Racism.

Saying Floyd was black does not prove racism. Saying people are outraged doesnt prove racism, or murder. Saying it happens other places and times proves nothing regarding this incident.

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ellapenella
3 hours ago, and then said:

Another example of what's really going on in America:

There's a storm brewing...

Earlier today I thought it was bad enough that blm attacked a Ronald McDonald's house sheltering  women and children inside for children who are sick. But this attack on this little 5 yr. old child is  pure evil.

Witness Doris Lybrand said Sessoms ran up to Cannon in the yard over the weekend and put the gun to his head.

 

Sessoms allegedly fired his weapon before running back to his own house next door.

Lybrand said: "My first reaction was, ‘He's playing with the kids.’”

“For a second, I thought, 'That couldn't happen.' People don't run across the street and kill kids."

The witness said she realized the gun was real when she saw Cannon’s father’s reaction to what happened.

https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/12384100/cannon-hinnant-killed-north-carolina-darius-sessoms/

 

 

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ellapenella
10 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Yep talks have started to create Canzuk with a GDP of $4 to $5 trillion.

The EU wont give us a free trade agreement, it thinks it owns and controls us so keeps saying we can only have one if we agree to a nice big long list of conditions designed to blunt us economically.

I personally would like to see Canzukus and put Trump in charge.

CANZUK sounds good but CANZUKUS sounds greater.Trump & Nigel Farage.  

Italy,Poland,and Denmark  are  predicted to be the next front runners leaving the EU .

I would love to see the EU collapse.

 

 

 

 

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Sir Wearer of Hats
1 hour ago, DieChecker said:

Didnt see anyone call this out, but are you stating an opinion, or a fact?

Between 600k and 700k soldiers died in the American Civil War, over like 5 years. Now, if you are suggesting over the same timescale Covid19 might equal that.

WW2 led to about 400k American deaths. So, all Wars put together is probably well over a million.

By what date does Covid19 have to kill a million to make your statement true? 3 years? 5 years?

To date, I believe just over 150k Americans have died of Covid19 related illness.

Mea culpa, I got my maths wrong (missed a zero). 

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DieChecker
41 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Mea culpa, I got my maths wrong (missed a zero). 

Oh, ok....

i was expecting a timeline on how it would be possible. If Covid19 gets worse, and it could, it could get past that one million ceiling. Might take a couple years.

Its more likely though, IMHO, that a passable vacine will be developed. Might need seasonal shots. And if that happens the desths likely will not get over a half million. Again, my opinion.

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toast
53 minutes ago, ellapenella said:

I would love to see the EU collapse.

Why?

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Sir Wearer of Hats
6 minutes ago, toast said:

Why?

Something something new Roman Empire something something fourth reich something something end times is the usual reason people offer.

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Manwon Lender
6 minutes ago, toast said:

Why?

Her comments makes no sense, I think she is just a little strange:yes::-*

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Cookie Monster
5 hours ago, razman said:

What are you on about? God sent trump now?

Yep, he sure did.

God created us to be free and favours those nations which give their peoples the most freedom. Look at everywhere that is free and compare what life in like is them to everywhere that controls their populations. That has always been true throughout the whole of history. Freedom goes with wealth, high quality of life, and happiness. Control goes with poverty, suffering, and misery.

1 hour ago, ellapenella said:

CANZUK sounds good but CANZUKUS sounds greater.Trump & Nigel Farage.  

Italy,Poland,and Denmark  are  predicted to be the next front runners leaving the EU .

I would love to see the EU collapse.

If the EU can work with nations that are quite different from each other then I`m quite sure a CANZUKUS can work. And, unlike the EU there is no need for us to so heavily give up our independence. A 5 eyes alliance, a 5 eyes trading zone, free movement of our people, build a wall all around it to keep out illegal immigrants and put some gunboats in the English Channel to sink and that try crossing, a common space program to establish off world colonies taking it to 6 eyes then 7 then 8 etc.

Our foreign policies are pretty much aligned anyway due to us being brother and sister nations from the same source. But unlike with the EU I`m all for having a foreign policy council where all 5 of us can decide what international actions the Anglo-American realm should take. We are all the same but have fragmented away over history due to one reason or another.

The EU can crash and burn as far as I`m concerned. I sincerely hope it fails in the most literal meaning of the term. Down with the EU!!! What in Gods name our we doing being a member of Germanys attempt at hegemony? We have seen what 340 million Americans can do, imagine what 460 million Anglo-Americans can do?

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toast
34 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

Her comments makes no sense, I think she is just a little strange:yes::-*

A little? :lol:

I think she is always simultaneously online in 3 different forums (A+B+C). Posts in forum A get answered in forum B, forum B in C and forum C in A. On weekends and on public holidays, the order is B to A, C to B and  A to C.

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Golden Duck
30 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Yep, he sure did.

God created us to be free and favours those nations which give their peoples the most freedom. Look at everywhere that is free and compare what life in like is them to everywhere that controls their populations. That has always been true throughout the whole of history. Freedom goes with wealth, high quality of life, and happiness. Control goes with poverty, suffering, and misery.

If the EU can work with nations that are quite different from each other then I`m quite sure a CANZUKUS can work. And, unlike the EU there is no need for us to so heavily give up our independence. A 5 eyes alliance, a 5 eyes trading zone, free movement of our people, build a wall all around it to keep out illegal immigrants and put some gunboats in the English Channel to sink and that try crossing, a common space program to establish off world colonies taking it to 6 eyes then 7 then 8 etc.

Our foreign policies are pretty much aligned anyway due to us being brother and sister nations from the same source. But unlike with the EU I`m all for having a foreign policy council where all 5 of us can decide what international actions the Anglo-American realm should take. We are all the same but have fragmented away over history due to one reason or another.

The EU can crash and burn as far as I`m concerned. I sincerely hope it fails in the most literal meaning of the term. Down with the EU!!! What in Gods name our we doing being a member of Germanys attempt at hegemony? We have seen what 340 million Americans can do, imagine what 460 million Anglo-Americans can do?

Enjoy Civilisation 6, do you?

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toast
39 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

God created us to be free yadayada

*snip*

Add slavery and piracy on behalf of the crown and your fever dream of the British Empire 2.0 would be perfect. (its past 7.a.m., did you took your red and yellow pills already?)

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6 hours ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Indeed, posted about him almost 24 hours ago, not one leftist with the sack to even acknowledge it.

They DO get quiet when they understand they'll look like heartless animals if they try to support the poor soul who was compelled to murder a 5 year old in front of his sisters.  The family had prior contact with the murderer.  He had been over to their place to eat just a few days before :( 

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Cookie Monster
55 minutes ago, toast said:

Add slavery and piracy on behalf of the crown and your fever dream of the British Empire 2.0 would be perfect. (its past 7.a.m., did you took your red and yellow pills already?)

Firstly its not a British empire, it would be an Anglo-American realm that respects each member states independence and promotes continued success for our collective future. A little bit like an Anglo-American version of the Holy Roman Empire. in essence, a minimalist confederation.

Secondly my country used to take slaves centuries ago as did Prussia. In fact, most of the planet did. When we have all indulged in the same crime then I wont have you lecturing me about my countries past. Especially not from a German. In case you missed it none of us practice slavery anymore and even modern day Prussians have recently learned the error of their ways.

Thirdly a CANZUKUS or CANZUK + US would have internal access to a vast wealth of resources and be extremely powerful. That would ensure the realm leads the world for centuries to come. I would sure prefer that compared to a German led EU leading the world. Britain and America have done a lot for the development of civilization. It wasn`t wholly positive (although overall it was very positive) and it wasn`t wholly negative either as some try to claim. Britain and America can carry on building up civilization for centuries to come as far as I`m concerned.

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