Puzzled By Trump Followers

[acute]

9 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

I just see a clip of sound bites.

That's the point of the clip!  Trump's own words.

What is your reaction to it?  How do you explain it away?

[Duke Wellington]

4 minutes ago, acute said:

That's the point of the clip!  Trump's own words.

What is your reaction to it?  How do you explain it away?

It doesnt mean anything to me, its just a list of soundbites.

What is the argument being made? Where is the actual supporting evidence rather than soundbites? I dont understand what the point of the video is or what the message is supposed to be.

[Katniss]

1 minute ago, Desertrat56 said:

I guess I could start a thread about Boris Johnson supporters and ask the U.S. people to comment about why they support Boris.  Would that be ok?  (or even useful information?)

Lol. Maybe you should. But you don't have to ask me. And that would be interesting. 

I just know from the local Trump supporters in my area that politicians like Trump and Boris capitalize on the feelings of certain political groups in this world and repeat what they see and hear to gain popularity and support. To be their voice and gain votes. Those two slick operators probably don't give two %@#! about their supporters, but they know how to work the crowd by repeating the thoughts and feelings of their supporters. And they adore them.

[acute]

Just now, Cookie Monster said:

It doesnt mean anything to me, its just a list of soundbites.

What is the argument being made? Where is the actual supporting evidence rather than soundbites? I dont understand what the point of the video is or what the message is supposed to be.

The graph makes the argument of Trump's mishandling of the pandemic crisis.

.....or maybe you think the crisis is fake news.

Can any Trump voters weigh in here, to help me understand your thinking?

[Duke Wellington]

4 minutes ago, acute said:

The graph makes the argument of Trump's mishandling of the pandemic crisis.

.....or maybe you think the crisis is fake news.

Can any Trump voters weigh in here, to help me understand your thinking?

You mean the death rate?

The US has x5 to x6 the population of the UK yet its death rate is far below x5 to x6 its. Or are you trying to make out that because the USA does way more testing than it someone means incompetence?

LMAO

[Gromdor]

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

You mean the death rate?

The US has x5 to x6 the population of the UK yet its death rate is far below x5 to x6 its. Or are you trying to make out that because the USA does way more testing than it someone means incompetence?

LMAO

People should be dying at the same rate for the same illness given similar care.  Death rates aren't affected by population difference.

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

People should be dying at the same rate for the same illness given similar care.  Death rates aren't affected by population difference.

The US death rate is standing at just below 1%.

The world average is 2% to 4% depending on country.

[Gromdor]

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

The US death rate is standing at just below 1%.

The world average is 2% to 4% depending on country.

And none of that is affected by population......  Availability of advanced treatment maybe. 

Edited July 23, 2020 by Gromdor
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[Katniss]

15 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Lol. Maybe you should. But you don't have to ask me. And that would be interesting. 

I just know from the local Trump supporters in my area that politicians like Trump and Boris capitalize on the feelings of certain political groups in this world and repeat what they see and hear to gain popularity and support. To be their voice and gain votes. Those two slick operators probably don't give two %@#! about their supporters, but they know how to work the crowd by repeating the thoughts and feelings of their supporters. And they adore them.

Just to add: Let me put it this way to you guys and gals wanting to really know.

I was watching Cenk Uygur on TYT a while back and he explained in another way why some people support Trump. (I'll paraphrase) He pointed out a lot of the things you guys are posting here now about Trump and what he has done and not done. And then Uygur said something to the Trump supporter about Trump being an A-hole, but the Trump supporter said "Yeah, but, he's my A-hole."

So I'm telling you guys he's their "mouthpiece" and they love it! They have loved it for 4 years.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Katniss

[+Desertrat56]

21 minutes ago, Katniss said:

Just to add: Let me put it this way to you guys and gals wanting to really know.

I was watching Cenk Uygur on TYT a while back and he explained in another way why some people support Trump. (I'll paraphrase) He pointed out a lot of the things you guys are posting here now about Trump and what he has done and not done. And then Uygur said something to the Trump supporter about Trump being an A-hole, but the Trump supporter said "Yeah, but, he's my A-hole."

So I'm telling you guys he's their "mouthpiece" and they love it! They have loved it for 4 years.

I think I made that point when I said they came out of the woodwork, thinking they now have permission to say what they think, even though they knew before that it was not socially acceptable.  Yes, he says what they think, but they are not the majority of voters.  Trump got a lot of votes from people who hate Hillary, they are not happy now though.

[Katniss]

6 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

I think I made that point when I said they came out of the woodwork, thinking they now have permission to say what they think, even though they knew before that it was not socially acceptable. 

You did and right you are, people like David Duke is a good example.

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Yes, he says what they think, but they are not the majority of voters. 

No not now. Some of them that voted for him in 2016 (like me ) are ready for him to get lost. Get gone! Whatever.

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Trump got a lot of votes from people who hate Hillary, they are not happy now though.

It wasn't just Hillary though, as if she was just the worse candidate there was, but there were people in rural areas that were still hurting economically and a Hillary/Obama coalition just wasn't appetizing enough to see things getting any better economically. So, there again, Trump spoke the language those of us unemployed were wanting to hear, but Hillary didn't speak about it. Even some liberal democrats voted for Trump because of that. Probably not this time around though.

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Try @and then, I think he is in the U.S. and supports Trump.  There is also @RavenHawk, I know he is in the U.S.

I just got out of training, so my brain is a bit fried (killer labs).  I will try to give a quick reply (since I was included)…  BTW, you know that NM is not part of the US??  When travelling in the US, people find out I’m from NM, their first reply is, ‘don’t you need a green card or passport?’

 

 

 

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I just don't see the point of getting answers from people who post as if they are Trump supporters that do not live in the U.S.  They have no real way to actually support Trump.

No, you don’t need to be from the US to support Trump.  Trump is the manifestation of an ideal.  You could call it anti-Globalism.  Brexit is part of this movement.  Uyghur defiance of China is another (as well as Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong), and many other places across the planet.  This movement is putting the breaks on the slide toward authoritarianism. 

 

 

But anyway, the thread isn’t all that clear, so I’m not sure what question specifically you want answered?  Why do we support Trump?  The quick answer is because our eyes are open and we see the world as it is. @acute’s clip is your typical Left disinformation campaign (using sound bites and clips out of context and no understanding of what is being said) but so is the Lincoln Project.  It is an insult to a great President.  But it means nothing to the Left.  They are tearing down Lincoln statues.  To them it is just a name to exploit.  There is only one goal the Left is focused on and those of us that are aware of it are amazed by the stupidity displayed by the Left and how deep their TDS is.  It is actually the Left that is asleep.  They know not what they do.  Socialism is a poison.  You can see how it affects the Left.  Socialism is slavery.  How can BLM be for equality if they are the ones beating the drum for more slavery?  It just boggles the mind. 

 

 

I can tell you this, if those individuals that are asleep and find a way to awaken, their eyes will be truly opened.  I see it happening.  One of the biggest conversions was Leo Terrell.  He was always in a bad mood (that’s what hate does to a person), but he saw the light and the light was good.  His demeanor is so much better now.  And that democrat has publicly announced that he is voting for Trump because he sees the disaster that Biden is and Trump is the only way out.  You don’t have to like him.  He is far from perfect, but he is the right man, in the right position, at the right time to deal with these problems and give America a bold new start.  The 21^st Century will also be known as an American Century.

[+Desertrat56]

11 minutes ago, Katniss said:

You did and right you are, people like David Duke is a good example.

No not now. Some of them that voted for him in 2016 (like me ) are ready for him to get lost. Get gone! Whatever.

It wasn't just Hillary though, as if she was just the worse candidate there was, but there were people in rural areas that were still hurting economically and a Hillary/Obama coalition just wasn't appetizing enough to see things getting any better economically. So, there again, Trump spoke the language those of us unemployed were wanting to hear, but Hillary didn't speak about it. Even some liberal democrats voted for Trump because of that. Probably not this time around though.

The thing I am curious about is whether those who were hurting financially when Obama was president are any better off now.  I don't see my finances any better, maybe rich people who invest in Wall Street are finding more money, but I can't see how Trump has helped anyone else financially.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Desertrat56

[Autochthon1990]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

We got here from constant attempts to character assassinate Trump in anyway possible.

And when we see a claim by the media we go and checkout the speech to see what he actually said.

News: reports things trump actually said, showing footage and direct transcripts

Trumpists: TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE GOD-EMPEROR IS FALLIBLE IN ANY WAY! 

[Autochthon1990]

6 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

The thing I am curious about is whether those who were hurting financially when Obama was president are any better off now.  I don't see my finances any better, maybe rich people who invest in Wall Street are finding more money, but I can't see how Trump has helped anyone else financially.

I was, before Trump ****ed Covid up and I had to go unemployed for three months. 

 

14 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

I just got out of training, so my brain is a bit fried (killer labs).  I will try to give a quick reply (since I was included)…  BTW, you know that NM is not part of the US??  When travelling in the US, people find out I’m from NM, their first reply is, ‘don’t you need a green card or passport?’

 

 

 

No, you don’t need to be from the US to support Trump.  Trump is the manifestation of an ideal.  You could call it anti-Globalism.  Brexit is part of this movement.  Uyghur defiance of China is another (as well as Tibet, Taiwan, and Hong Kong), and many other places across the planet.  This movement is putting the breaks on the slide toward authoritarianism. 

 

 

But anyway, the thread isn’t all that clear, so I’m not sure what question specifically you want answered?  Why do we support Trump?  The quick answer is because our eyes are open and we see the world as it is. @acute’s clip is your typical Left disinformation campaign (using sound bites and clips out of context and no understanding of what is being said) but so is the Lincoln Project.  It is an insult to a great President.  But it means nothing to the Left.  They are tearing down Lincoln statues.  To them it is just a name to exploit.  There is only one goal the Left is focused on and those of us that are aware of it are amazed by the stupidity displayed by the Left and how deep their TDS is.  It is actually the Left that is asleep.  They know not what they do.  Socialism is a poison.  You can see how it affects the Left.  Socialism is slavery.  How can BLM be for equality if they are the ones beating the drum for more slavery?  It just boggles the mind. 

 

 

I can tell you this, if those individuals that are asleep and find a way to awaken, their eyes will be truly opened.  I see it happening.  One of the biggest conversions was Leo Terrell.  He was always in a bad mood (that’s what hate does to a person), but he saw the light and the light was good.  His demeanor is so much better now.  And that democrat has publicly announced that he is voting for Trump because he sees the disaster that Biden is and Trump is the only way out.  You don’t have to like him.  He is far from perfect, but he is the right man, in the right position, at the right time to deal with these problems and give America a bold new start.  The 21^st Century will also be known as an American Century.

Okay no, nonononono, you do not get to compare trump supporters to people trying to overthrow a totalitarian government. You do not, you just don't. You guys are /supporting/ an authoritarian, the exact opposite of what those protests are about. 

[+and-then]

3 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

News: reports things trump actually said, showing footage and direct transcripts

Trumpists: TAKEN OUT OF CONTEXT, I REFUSE TO BELIEVE THE GOD-EMPEROR IS FALLIBLE IN ANY WAY! 

The first several months of the outbreak, the experts couldn't even stick to the same story from day to day.  Pelosi, DeBlasio and Cuomo were telling people to get out, shop, go to restaurants, go to Chinatown.  I'm not going to bother with posting them, you have desire to know any facts that you disagree with but anyone else here that reads it can have a look.  The situation, like most things in life...EVOLVED.  New information became available and people  *gasp* changed their opinions as new info became available.

[Autochthon1990]

Yeah that's because it wasn't here yet, and here's a thing: Chinatown doesn't exactly have a lot of people going between the CCP and the united states. Why? Most of them came here back when Emperors where still a thing, we needed cheap labor to build railroads and whatnot, so we brought them over here, and they just kinda stuck around. Another surge came around WWII when those fleeing the Imperial Army and Mao settled in. So they're not exactly eager to go to Beijing wet markets for cheap "Beef" 

[RavenHawk]

7 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

I was, before Trump ****ed Covid up and I had to go unemployed for three months. 

 

Okay no, nonononono, you do not get to compare trump supporters to people trying to overthrow a totalitarian government. You do not, you just don't. You guys are /supporting/ an authoritarian, the exact opposite of what those protests are about. 

Grow up!

 

Wake up!

[Katniss]

Just now, Desertrat56 said:

The thing I am curious about is whether those who were hurting financially when Obama was president are any better off now.  I don't see my finances any better, maybe rich people who invest in Wall Street are finding more money, but I can't see how Trump has helped anyone else financially.

When he got into office, did you notice how the stock market went up? Did you notice how companies were hiring more then usual when Trump got in, more so than during Obama's presidency? They felt at ease and really let go. Did you notice that? It's the thought process that a conservative/Republican president in office means a better economy where restrictions are dialed back, tax cuts, and free vulture capitalism is free to rain.

So when all that started happening, people were just glad to even find a job because these companies stopped holding back until Trump got into office. So he didn't have to help anybody financially. He just had to be there, in office, influencing and making the conservative business owners and capitalist feel secure about their finances. Of course now it's different. Like you, I don't see my finances getting any better either, but back then I was just happy to find a job.

[+Desertrat56]

Just now, Autochthon1990 said:

Yeah that's because it wasn't here yet, and here's a thing: Chinatown doesn't exactly have a lot of people going between the CCP and the united states. Why? Most of them came here back when Emperors where still a thing, we needed cheap labor to build railroads and whatnot, so we brought them over here, and they just kinda stuck around. Another surge came around WWII when those fleeing the Imperial Army and Mao settled in. So they're not exactly eager to go to Beijing wet markets for cheap "Beef" 

A lot of people don't know anything about history.  I don't think it is taught in school anymore.

[Duke Wellington]

As Churchill once said `the fascists of the future will be the anti-fascists`

It amazes me how his predictions always seem to turn out true. Thankfully Trump is standing up to it not matter how much they riot, pull statues down, bad mouth him, and try to character assassinate him using any means possible. We had to stop these inverted Nazis ruining America!

[+Desertrat56]

4 minutes ago, Katniss said:

When he got into office, did you notice how the stock market went up? Did you notice how companies were hiring more then usual when Trump got in, more so than during Obama's presidency? They felt at ease and really let go. Did you notice that? It's the thought process that a conservative/Republican president in office means a better economy where restrictions are dialed back, tax cuts, and free vulture capitalism is free to rain.

So when all that started happening, people were just glad to even find a job because these companies stopped holding back until Trump got into office. So he didn't have to help anybody financially. He just had to be there, in office, influencing and making the conservative business owners and capitalist feel secure about their finances. Of course now it's different. Like you, I don't see my finances getting any better either, but back then I was just happy to find a job.

Well, I did notice the stock market going up, but you know there were things Obama did that caused the new jobs that happened right after Trump was inaugurated.  Trump takes credit for things that happened before he came along.  Nothing happens immediately when changes are enacted.  And I don't think the stock market rising was why employers started hiring more.  It is something I will have to research in order to address properly, but like all presidents, things are enacted in their last years that their successors loudly proclaim they did.  All of them do that, not just Trump.  We have not had a president that is actually for the people, representing the citizens in decades, maybe since the civil war.

And by the way, the stock market is not a good indicator of healthy economy.  A healthy economic indicators are percentage of unemployed, wages commensurate with the cost of living etc.  In other words, how well the workers are living, not the rich people.

Edited July 23, 2020 by Desertrat56

[+Razman]

2 hours ago, acute said:

This could be a telling reply.

Do you think Trump followers are insular/ blinkered, and unwilling to entertain or accept opposing views?

Some of the trump supporters on here live far from the U.S.

Edited July 23, 2020 by razman

[+and-then]

13 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

Yeah that's because it wasn't here yet,

Exactly my point.  Thanks for reiterating it.  That montage of statements were taken over a period of time when events were changing rapidly.  Hate whoever you choose to but at least have the integrity to own it.  

[Tatetopa]

2 hours ago, and then said:

The social changes that were pushed through were bad enough but far worse was the crippling of our economy, willfully IMO, that occurred through endless regulatory interference that crushed incentive for business. 

I know you dislike regulations, but the economy under Obama did a steady climb after the first two years of dealing with the recession.    I am sure you track your retirement funds and investments, mine doubled during the last 6 years of Obama.  I have nothing to complain about.  If you track unemployment numbers they were trending down too from about 10 when he started down to 4.7% when he left office.  So far, Trump has not come close to doubling my 401k again or cutting unemployment in half.  It seems that business was not so crushed after all.

In four years, we are only slightly better than we started off.  For the next 4 years  something miraculous better occur.  So far, we have not come out on top in our trade tiff with China, family wage jobs have not come back and neither has industry or manufacturing to any significant level. There are not a lot of regulations to cut that will spur business further or interest rates to bring to zero.  We can always increase the deficit even more I suppose and let our kids pay for it.

I love the fact that Trump has kept us out of new wars so far.

I really agreed with the WH comment for people out of work with uncertain prospects to, "Find something new."   That was sound advice.

His economic acumen is not genius level.