Silent Majority

[psyche101]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

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What does this say about us when most people are afraid to express their true feelings and beliefs?

Maybe it says a lot of people are real aholes and deep down they know it? If you fear saying something in public, there might be a good reason. 

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, Autochthon1990 said:

It turns out that, shock of all shocks, being a racist, sexist, xenophobic, homophobic jackoff has social consequences.

**** I'm autistic and I know that, what's their excuse?

Accusing people of that kind of thing and yet believing you are on the high ground.  Precious.  

[Autochthon1990]

Just now, OverSword said:

Accusing people of that kind of thing and yet believing you are on the high ground.  Precious.  

All I'm saying is if you walk into a Bar and rant about how n****rs are subhuman monkeys, you will be asked to leave. If you're at a PTA meeting and start on about how the gay students offend jesus, you will be told to cut that out. That's not the government crushing your voicebox, its your fellow americans saying 'this guy is an *******' and showing you the door. 

[+OverSword]

2 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

Maybe it says a lot of people are real aholes and deep down they know it? If you fear saying something in public, there might be a good reason. 

I doubt it.  I don't believe for a second that any trump voter thinks they are immoral.  

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Autochthon1990 said:

All I'm saying is if you walk into a Bar and rant about how n****rs are subhuman monkeys, you will be asked to leave. If you're at a PTA meeting and start on about how the gay students offend jesus, you will be told to cut that out. That's not the government crushing your voicebox, its your fellow americans saying 'this guy is an *******' and showing you the door. 

And you think that's how a republican thinks or would like to act?  Amazing.

[Autochthon1990]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

And you think that's how a republican thinks or would like to act?  Amazing.

No, I think its the ones who whine about how their free speech is being violated when Twitter bans them think and act. 

[+OverSword]

Just now, Autochthon1990 said:

No, I think its the ones who whine about how their free speech is being violated when Twitter bans them think and act. 

Twitter.  Okay.

[Autochthon1990]

3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I doubt it.  I don't believe for a second that any trump voter thinks they are immoral.  

"I support a lying, cheating, porn star plowing, charity stealing bigot, I'm Paul of Tarsus up in here!" 

[+OverSword]

@psyche101 You laugh emoji, but do you think that @and then believes for one second that he's immoral?  Not a chance.  Most people don't including you.

[+OverSword]

Just now, Autochthon1990 said:

"I support a lying, cheating, porn star plowing, charity stealing bigot, I'm Paul of Tarsus up in here!" 

Equivolent lists can be made for almost any politician.  People can justify all kinds of things and still place themselves on the high ground in their mind.  Including you. 

[Autochthon1990]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Equivolent lists can be made for almost any politician.  People can justify all kinds of things and still place themselves on the high ground in their mind.  Including you. 

Yeah some politicians have done some of those things. Trump has somehow gotten corrupt sleezebag bingo by doing /all of them/.

And here's the difference, when Al Franken got caught doing something perverted. We told him off and he ended up leaving the party as a result. You guys? Apparently fine with everything from infidelity to giving porn stars the clap. 

[psyche101]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

@psyche101 You laugh emoji, but do you think that @and then believes for one second that he's immoral? 

No, not for a second. I still find it amusing though. I often feel @and then expresses views that contradict the faith he promotes.

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

Not a chance.  Most people don't including you.

I don't know. I've changed a few views in my life based on what I feel are moral guidelines that I had wrong. I try to be ethical during my journey but nobody is perfect. If we were, we wouldn't have regrets and I doubt anyone makes it through life from one end to the other without 20/20 hindsight.

[Bed of chaos]

For the past two years I'd visit Yahoo news in morning. My 'trusted' news source. Anyway they just banned all comments (political/non political, everything) till after election. That's not shady.

[Autochthon1990]

Just now, Bed of chaos said:

For the past two years I'd visit Yahoo news in morning. My 'trusted' news source. Anyway they just banned all comments (political/non political, everything) till after election. That's not shady.

I think its more because the last three mods for the comments section either went mad or hanged themselves within 20 minutes of starting the job.

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, and then said:

Funny thing about oppression, those who are being shunned or harmed for their views tend to become hardened in those views.  I think November 3rd is going to be quite revealing.  I also believe that if internal polling for the DNC make them aware of this they may actually create violence around polling places to sow doubt about the results.  Either way, the results will not be accepted by one side or the other.  This nation is close to coming apart.

Yea that's what America needs more gloom and Doom, if you are right and I hope your not, it will set a historical precedent for the United States that will only show a decline that America may never recover from. I think it may be better to **** can both of the major political parties and just start over. I personally am tired of all the hate, that I certainly have been part of it and the lack of bipartisanship by the political parties.  We are currently in a Pandemic, Civil Unrest is rife and there so many more issues that are not being addressed because of Political infighting.

If the Nation comes apart like you said above, it will not only destroy America from within, it will worst of all make America Vulnerable to attack from abroad. Something has to give or a collapse will occur and if that happens all the name calling and finger pointing will be a mute issue, and survival will take over as the driving force for Americans, I just hope it doesn't go that far.

[thedutchiedutch]

Don't you think that most of these people "hold their tongues" out of courtesy instead of fear ? Nothing wrong with that. It won't change their vote i guess. So what's the big deal here.? Maybe you guys finally become a bit more thoughtful like us Canadians hahahahaha (joke). 

[Myles]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Equivolent lists can be made for almost any politician.  People can justify all kinds of things and still place themselves on the high ground in their mind.  Including you. 

Yep.   All politicians are scoundrels.  JoePedo included.  

[Grim Reaper 6]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

Yeah, those of us who were ostracized young don't care about that so we speak our minds and expect others to as well.

I don't believe that people are afraid to speak their minds at all, I think that many Americas have come to the point were doing so changes nothing. Why be vocal about a situation you really have no control over,  where the countries National Leadership can't even agree that the Sky is Blue. The only thing that can effect change and some form of healing, are the Executive Branches of our Government, the propaganda, myths, and out right lies being propagated by both sides have to stop. This myth that one side is correct and the other is wrong needs to change, and bipartisanship must return, if that ever happens the trickle down effect will start to take place, but I am not holding my breath.

 

[+Liquid Gardens]

1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Accusing people of that kind of thing and yet believing you are on the high ground.  Precious.  

It seems that all of the objections though assume that everything is all in balance and both the left and the right are equal as far as ideas that are offensive, but I don't see much evidence for that.  There's nothing wrong with self-censoring offensive ideas, and maybe the distribution is just different (not 'worse') on the right than it is on the left.

I don't think I agree though with the connection between the study and the silent majority.  People self-censoring I believe is referring to when they are with other people, I don't think that would really apply to phone polls that many times just want to know who you are voting for and if there are any issues mentioned, there isn't anything detailed and mainly just want to know the degree to which you agree or disagree.

[+and-then]

2 hours ago, Hankenhunter said:

Don't bother replying to me anymore, because you wont get an answer. Your stance is as clear as glass, and I'm not wasting any more air on an extinct dinosaur. I'd  get more intelligent conversation from farm animals. You got yours, screw everybody else. 

Not only does he not agree, he isn't even willing to be challenged   If Trump IS re-elected, I actually fear for the sanity of people like this.  OS is correct, Hank, I put you on ignore a long time ago. It works, mostly I still occasionally see a post where you're answering someone else.  I could see your point if I had tried to flame you but dude, that response was accurate. 

They DO control the platforms and they, by FAR and away, censor, shadow ban and demonetize people on the Right.  There's a movement beginning to challenge Section 230 of the 1996 Communications Decency Act.  If it can be passed, these "private" sites/companies are going to be faced with allowing ALL speech or they'll be legally liable for anything published there.  IOW, allow free speech for all opinions or basically be hammered out of business.     

[Grim Reaper 6]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

I think this study is likely a good indication that biden is not doing as well against trump as polls and the media would have you believe.

I am curious how did you come to that conclusion, I read the entire poll you provided and don't see how the results benefit either one of the candidates. So seriously please explain why you believe what you said above is true??

[spartan max2]

I personally believe a more honesty society and world is nonething but positive.

[+Liquid Gardens]

3 hours ago, OverSword said:

What does this say about us when most people are afraid to express their true feelings and beliefs?

That most of us have some offensive beliefs that unfortunately only some of us know enough to keep to ourselves? 

Speech is powerful, that's why it's such a big deal that we are (mostly) free to say whatever we want and the govt can't do anything about it in the US.  I do not care one iota that someone is intimidated or that it's a crime against free speech rights if you respond to someone extolling their theories on holocaust denial with, 'shut the hell up, idiot'.  To request otherwise, and the problem with criticisms of 'cancel culture', is that the 'solution' is to limit the rights, just as fundamental, of other speakers or worse of employers to employ who they want (outside discriminatory categories, in theory).  If you have a customer say, 'your delivery guy used racial slurs in our store', about one of your employees, it's a greater violation to impose any idea like 'you shouldn't fire him because he was just expressing his true feelings and free speech, et al' on the employer's desire and beyond equal right to fire them.

[Grim Reaper 6]

2 hours ago, and then said:

Or maybe because they control all of the platforms that are used to destroy people's lives?  Tucker Carlson was doxed awhile back and his house assaulted while his wife was home alone.  They moved and now he's saying he got a tip that the NYTs is going to do it again.  

Please explain what you mean by platforms that are used to destroy people's lives, in my opinion this also isn't one sided. As long as we promote false and personally opinionated views no traction or changes in our attitudes can take place. In reality we need to become open minded again, and listen too the opinions of each other along with actually looking at both sides before we pass judgement on each other's ideas. I suspect if we all tried to do this compromises to many of our useless opinions could be found, but so long as everything is defined by right and left our views will continue to stagnate and nothing will be achieved. JIMO

[+and-then]

2 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I am curious how did you come to that conclusion, I read the entire poll you provided and don't see how the results benefit either one of the candidates. So seriously please explain why you believe what you said above is true??

I heard this discussed on another site and the general idea is simple.  Those on the far Left part of the spectrum, mostly feel secure in telling the truth when asked who they support in the election.  They aren't having negative consequences because of their choice because most of the sites online have a Liberal bias and if you admit supporting Trump you risk being demonetized, having your content "shadow banned" or being banned altogether.  Republicans who are in the workforce know that in some cities they actually risk losing their jobs.  I think the poll mentions that group.  IIRC, there were about  50% of Liberal respondents who said they'd be willing to FIRE an employee that said they supported Trump.  

Think about that.  Think about how awful that situation is for our country.  Disliking the man, even hating him is a personal choice and everyone has that right, but to actually impose significant pain on others because of what they believe is just wrong.  

So, if I understood the article, the numbers of Liberals, not "strong" or very extreme Liberals, just moderate Liberals, who did not support Biden for reasons of their own, would be afraid of admitting it to a pollster.  Again, because in today's America, a person you'll never meet, whose name you'll never know, can put all of your personal info out there for everyone to see.  It can cause a real threat to your loved ones and it could cost your job.  If Liberals fear that, imagine a Republican who told the truth, then got doxed