Donald Trump suggests delay to 2020 election

[RAyMO]

There is no silent majority - there may have been very very small number of silent trump supporters in 2016, but they didn't win him the election the independents did, who overwhelmingly broke for Trump.

Since Trump won in 2016 the silent supporters became less silent (more open in their support) but this time the independents are breaking for Biden. 

Trumps strategy from day 1 has been to pander to his base 40% of electorate or so, he has ignored Dems and Independents - unfortunately for him its a strategy that reinforces his base but fails not expand on it - electorally it could prove to be very unwise for him. 

Edited August 1, 2020 by RAyMO

[RavenHawk]

20 hours ago, Gromdor said:

So taking a cue from Trump, China delays Hong Kong Elections for a year: https://www.bbc.com/news/world-asia-china-53563090

No, Hong Kong is taking its cue from China.  But you missed the part about the government banning 12 pro-democracy candidates.  Maybe Trump should take a cue from China and ban the Socialist candidate here.  Has anyone noticed that Trump hasn’t called a national emergency, martial law, or even a curfew in this covid crisis?  He’s letting the people decide what is best for them.  He’d better hurry up though if he’s going to steal the election with about 3 months to go.  The Socialists will probably force a national emergency anyway.  In the remaining time till the election, there will be nothing too low that they won’t try.  No amount of people they will hurt if it means getting the Whitehouse back.  And they will blame Trump or his supporters.

 

The US denounced it of course, but the weight of our words was taken away by  Trump's statement.  https://www.politico.com/news/2020/07/31/white-house-condemns-hong-kong-election-delay-389504

That you can’t discern sarcasm is what puts weight to his statements.  I bet you Xi knows sarcasm, but China is unaffected either way.  Why do you think he said that?  You thought he was serious?  If you did, that is just your TDS.  Proof once again.  The US mail service has been used for all kinds of fraud since its inception.  That is why it’s a federal crime if and when someone is caught.  Nothing could go wrong, right?  What do you think happens when the election committee receives 2 or more ballots from the same person?  They reject all of them.  Voter rolls and party affiliation are public information.  It would be very easy to single out all the Republicans and mail in a ballot for each (voting for Biden of course).  There are other scams, it wouldn’t be wise to use only one exclusively.

 

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

1 hour ago, RavenHawk said:

No, Hong Kong is taking its cue from China.  But you missed the part about the government banning 12 pro-democracy candidates.  Maybe Trump should take a cue from China and ban the Socialist candidate here.  Has anyone noticed that Trump hasn’t called a national emergency, martial law, or even a curfew in this covid crisis?  He’s letting the people decide what is best for them.  He’d better hurry up though if he’s going to steal the election with about 3 months to go.  The Socialists will probably force a national emergency anyway.  In the remaining time till the election, there will be nothing too low that they won’t try.  No amount of people they will hurt if it means getting the Whitehouse back.  And they will blame Trump or his supporters.

 

 

 

 

 

That you can’t discern sarcasm is what puts weight to his statements.  I bet you Xi knows sarcasm, but China is unaffected either way.  Why do you think he said that?  You thought he was serious?  If you did, that is just your TDS.  Proof once again.  The US mail service has been used for all kinds of fraud since its inception.  That is why it’s a federal crime if and when someone is caught.  Nothing could go wrong, right?  What do you think happens when the election committee receives 2 or more ballots from the same person?  They reject all of them.  Voter rolls and party affiliation are public information.  It would be very easy to single out all the Republicans and mail in a ballot for each (voting for Biden of course).  There are other scams, it wouldn’t be wise to use only one exclusively.

 

 

 

Will they though?

Lets say John Smith lived at four addresses in his voting life - each address receives a ballot for John Smith at that address and for whatever reason each ballot is returned. Is that one John Smith or four different men named John Smith?too much hard work to check, thst’s four votes counted.

[Duke Wellington]

36 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Will they though?

Lets say John Smith lived at four addresses in his voting life - each address receives a ballot for John Smith at that address and for whatever reason each ballot is returned. Is that one John Smith or four different men named John Smith?too much hard work to check, thst’s four votes counted.

Electoral fraud is easy if someone has the resources to do it.

The main concern is the level of hate towards Trump. When feelings are running high it is reasonable to assumme that many could be tempted to commit election fraud. The obvious is a candidate printing off a load of extra ballot papers and putting them all into the voting box.

Unless those boxes have a tamper proof device sealing the insert slot closed its very easy to do. 

[GoldenWolf]

8 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Electoral fraud is easy if someone has the resources to do it.

The main concern is the level of hate towards Trump. When feelings are running high it is reasonable to assumme that many could be tempted to commit election fraud. The obvious is a candidate printing off a load of extra ballot papers and putting them all into the voting box.

Unless those boxes have a tamper proof device sealing the insert slot closed its very easy to do. 

The level of hate Trump has towards half the country is very concerning.

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Will they though?

Lets say John Smith lived at four addresses in his voting life - each address receives a ballot for John Smith at that address and for whatever reason each ballot is returned.

You just need two of those returned to cause havoc.  You want to talk about discouraging voting, this mail-in fiasco will do it.  People have to be confident that *THEIR* vote is counted correctly.

 

Is that one John Smith or four different men named John Smith?too much hard work to check,

And then multiply that by tens of millions of times.  Having to check each questionable vote makes voting useless.  It might make things a bit easier if the voter rolls were cleaned up and then kept up to date.

 

thst’s four votes counted.

Precisely!  Depending on the situation.

[Gromdor]

Saw this on Facebook and made me think of this thread:

[aztek]

On 7/30/2020 at 1:55 PM, OverSword said:

The notion that a well run mail in voting system is more susceptible to fraud than the 40 year old technology used by most states is ridiculous and maddening.

"It's not the people who vote that count, it's the people who count the votes."

[ian hacktorp]

On 7/30/2020 at 5:30 PM, ian hacktorp said:

The idea is being raised that Trump floated the notion of the election being delayed because he knows that Biden will eventually be coming out of the race.

Trump knew that Democrats would lose their heads over HIS suggesting it (which they have), knowing they themselves will be demanding an election delay when Biden is suddenly out.

When the Dems start screaming for a delay, the answer they will get is "No...you yourselves said a delay is illegal".

Dems cry and self-injure with sharp objects.  Again.

Remember when I posted this^^?

Today, this happened:

 

ABC News Politics
@ABCPolitics
With an expected increase in absentee voting, could 2020 election results be delayed?

@NateSilver538
: “Nobody wants a replay of Bush vs. Gore, but when you have an election in the middle of a global pandemic … anything can happen.” https://abcn.ws/3k2OOkh

 

So, the Dems are floating the idea of a delay in announcing the results of the election...obviously to create as much confusion as possible over who the winner is.  Some feel the Dems will demand that an "interim president" be appointed until a winner can be announced...which would take years, of course.

These weasels don't miss a trick when it comes to starting a war.

[GoldenWolf]

1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

Saw this on Facebook and made me think of this thread:

Gonna share it.

[Autochthon1990]

When your ideology is only sustained by cheating, preventing people from voting by removing polling locations, and gaming the system through gerrymandering and an old system designed to let slaves count without them actually getting to vote

 

it is time to get a new ideology. 

 

If your ideals are so unpopular, so abhorred, so generally disliked, that you have to resort to voter suppression to keep sucking the corporate teat (And other, less flattering organs), its clear to everybody that your ideology is trash and you really should either go with something that's electable without acting like a mafia racket, or let it fade away into the dustbin of history.

[Grim Reaper 6]

On 8/2/2020 at 10:05 AM, RavenHawk said:

You just need two of those returned to cause havoc.  You want to talk about discouraging voting, this mail-in fiasco will do it.  People have to be confident that *THEIR* vote is counted correctly..

 

Here is what the founding Fathers think of Donald Trump!!!

 

[+Desertrat56]

On 8/1/2020 at 4:09 PM, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Will they though?

Lets say John Smith lived at four addresses in his voting life - each address receives a ballot for John Smith at that address and for whatever reason each ballot is returned. Is that one John Smith or four different men named John Smith?too much hard work to check, thst’s four votes counted.

The way it works in New Mexico, because computers, right?, when you move and change your voter registration you are removed from the previous address.  If you want to vote by mail you have to REQUEST it and when you request the mail in ballot you get a letter that you have to return with your signature and information that proves who you are.  They compare the signature to your voter registration and if it matches you get a ballot in the mail.  Why do you assume that our voter system is so stupid as to allow someone to vote by  mail from 4 different addresses?  The world may think "Americans" in the U.S. are stupid and I have to say I think some are, but we are not all stupid and our systems work better than the news media or our stupid president wants the world to believe.  There is an agenda to that.

So, maybe, in the UK, it works the way you describe but not in the U.S.

P.S.  I see you are in Australia, which is still part of the UK.

Edited August 3, 2020 by Desertrat56

[Doug1029]

On 8/1/2020 at 3:17 AM, RAyMO said:

There is no silent majority - there may have been very very small number of silent trump supporters in 2016, but they didn't win him the election the independents did, who overwhelmingly broke for Trump.

With Trump's disastrous handling of both the covid epidemic and the economy, the proportion of people who think he is doing a good job is down to 34%.  That's Trumps hard-core supporters.  He needs another 16+% from independents to make it to re-election.  It increasingly looks like he's not going to get it.  Even Trump sees this and has cancelled most of his campaign ads for August.  The Republican Party is acting like they expect to lose.

So what's left?  If you can't win the election, you won't be president, so you attack the election, itself.  Trump is threatening to sue Nevada over its new mail-in voter law.  Republican states will try to suppress black and Latino votes any way they can.  Don't be surprized if the right resorts to violence at polling places to scare people aware.  Trump will try to defund the Post Office to keep mail-in ballots from getting back on time (A state could counter this by extending the allowed mail-in time.).  No matter what happens, Trump will rant and rave and claim that he was cheated and refuse to accept the election results.

He has a point:  if the election is tainted, as he will claim, then a Trump victory is also tainted and cannot be allowed to happen.  He is setting the stage for civil war.

Doug

[Buzz_Light_Year]

12 hours ago, Autochthon1990 said:

When your ideology is only sustained by cheating, preventing people from voting by removing polling locations, and gaming the system through gerrymandering and an old system designed to let slaves count without them actually getting to vote

 

it is time to get a new ideology. 

 

If your ideals are so unpopular, so abhorred, so generally disliked, that you have to resort to voter suppression to keep sucking the corporate teat (And other, less flattering organs), its clear to everybody that your ideology is trash and you really should either go with something that's electable without acting like a mafia racket, or let it fade away into the dustbin of history.

I really don't foresee the Democrat party making any changes to rectify their outdated moldy party platform anytime soon.

[Autochthon1990]

59 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

I really don't foresee the Democrat party making any changes to rectify their outdated moldy party platform anytime soon.

Well lets see, we regularly win the popular vote, and our policies are liked by the majority of the nation, so I think we're doing fine on that, could use some polish here and there, but that's why Bernie and the Squad are trying to coax things that way. Now the Republicans, well...yeah, not so much on that. 

[Doug1029]

On 8/2/2020 at 11:35 AM, Gromdor said:

Saw this on Facebook and made me think of this thread:

A friend of mine said if I had half a brain, I'd vote for Trump.  I think that says it all.

Doug

[RAyMO]

3 hours ago, Doug1029 said:

Even Trump sees this and has cancelled most of his campaign ads for August.  The Republican Party is acting like they expect to lose.

I wasn't aware of cancelled ads and with media not being allowed in for his nomination, I wonder just wonder if the Reps are contemplating running someone else?

[Doug1029]

6 minutes ago, RAyMO said:

I wasn't aware of cancelled ads and with media not being allowed in for his nomination, I wonder just wonder if the Reps are contemplating running someone else?

There's a group with that objective in mind.  We'll have to wait and see how successful they are.

A different candidate would probably lose, too.  There isn't enough time to run a good campaign.  But a different candidate could restore tranquility to our elections and pave the way for a serious campaign in 2024.

Doug

Edited August 3, 2020 by Doug1029

[Sir Wearer of Hats]

5 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

The way it works in New Mexico, because computers, right?, when you move and change your voter registration you are removed from the previous address.  If you want to vote by mail you have to REQUEST it and when you request the mail in ballot you get a letter that you have to return with your signature and information that proves who you are.  They compare the signature to your voter registration and if it matches you get a ballot in the mail.  Why do you assume that our voter system is so stupid as to allow someone to vote by  mail from 4 different addresses?  The world may think "Americans" in the U.S. are stupid and I have to say I think some are, but we are not all stupid and our systems work better than the news media or our stupid president wants the world to believe.  There is an agenda to that.

So, maybe, in the UK, it works the way you describe but not in the U.S.

P.S.  I see you are in Australia, which is still part of the UK.

Based on the fact your system routinely sends ballots and voter ids for dead people and to previous residents of addresses, I’m assuming your system needs some 20th century overhauls. 

[+Desertrat56]

3 minutes ago, Sir Wearer of Hats said:

Based on the fact your system routinely sends ballots and voter ids for dead people and to previous residents of addresses, I’m assuming your system needs some 20th century overhauls. 

I don't know where you got that information.  Can you provide a link because I find it very hard to believe that this is happening.  It is not routinely done.  Maybe other states have different systems for mail in ballots, but just because a ballot gets sent to an old address does not mean that someone can get away with filling it out and mailing it in if they are not the person it was intended for.  I think there are a lot of lies floating around the media about how our mail in ballots work.  If it were a problem it would have been noticed decades ago.  We have been using mail in ballots since the civil war (over 200 years).

Maybe your system for mail in ballots in Australia works that way but it does not work that way here.

EVERY voting system has weaknesses and ways that people can mess with the numbers, but even though Trump has been screaming about it does not make it as big a problem as he wants someone to believe it is, if it were why are we just hearing about it in the 21st century???? 

[Golden Duck]

17 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

The way it works in New Mexico, because computers, right?, when you move and change your voter registration you are removed from the previous address.  If you want to vote by mail you have to REQUEST it and when you request the mail in ballot you get a letter that you have to return with your signature and information that proves who you are.  They compare the signature to your voter registration and if it matches you get a ballot in the mail.  Why do you assume that our voter system is so stupid as to allow someone to vote by  mail from 4 different addresses?  The world may think "Americans" in the U.S. are stupid and I have to say I think some are, but we are not all stupid and our systems work better than the news media or our stupid president wants the world to believe.  There is an agenda to that.

So, maybe, in the UK, it works the way you describe but not in the U.S.

P.S.  I see you are in Australia, which is still part of the UK.

Australia isn't part of the UK.

But, thanks for explaining that your vote-by-post essentially operates the same as in Australia.

[acute]

5 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

But, thanks for explaining that your vote-by-post essentially operates the same as in Australia.

.....and the same as in the UK.

[+Desertrat56]

6 hours ago, Golden Duck said:

Australia isn't part of the UK.

But, thanks for explaining that your vote-by-post essentially operates the same as in Australia.

You still celebrate the queen's birthday, you are part of the UK.  The U.S. is too in a weird stepchild way.  Yes, you think you have your own government but who is the first ally you go to, who clings to you as they cling to the U.S., South Africa and Canada?  In one way or another we are all part of the old British Empire.  The U.S. just had a more violent divorce than Australia did but it didn't take long for them to get us back.

[Golden Duck]

11 minutes ago, Desertrat56 said:

You still celebrate the queen's birthday, you are part of the UK.  The U.S. is too in a weird stepchild way.  Yes, you think you have your own government but who is the first ally you go to, who clings to you as they cling to the U.S., South Africa and Canada?  In one way or another we are all part of the old British Empire.  The U.S. just had a more violent divorce than Australia did but it didn't take long for them to get us back.

The Kerr letters were just recently released and dispel your misconception.

Since WW2 Australia looks to the US as it's prime military ally.  Right about the time Curtin said, to Churchill, that Australian troops were needed to defend Australia, not Rangoon.

Trade preference in Commonwealth disappeared when UK joined EEC.

Grenada is another example the effectiveness of thr Commonwealth. Now it's just an excuse to hold a pretend Olympics.