Alexei Navalny ill from suspected poisoning

[aztek]

[Still Waters]

 

[TigerBright19]

One theory that should warrant further investigation is that he may have poisoned himself with a non-lethal dose to significantly boost his own importance in the media and blame his political opponent, despite the fact that he would have only received 10% of the vote and was not a threat to Putin, but the media of course loves to run these stories with 24/7 biased news coverage.

 

 

[Setton]

4 hours ago, TigerBright19 said:

One theory that should warrant further investigation is that he may have poisoned himself with a non-lethal dose to significantly boost his own importance in the media and blame his political opponent, despite the fact that he would have only received 10% of the vote and was not a threat to Putin, but the media of course loves to run these stories with 24/7 biased news coverage.

He just happened to get his hands on a highly lethal, incredibly secret nerve agent and managed to give himself a non-lethal dose, even though we know that just residue on a door handle after several hours and two other people already wiping it off is still near fatal?

Please.

[Duke Wellington]

5 hours ago, TigerBright19 said:

One theory that should warrant further investigation is that he may have poisoned himself with a non-lethal dose to significantly boost his own importance in the media and blame his political opponent, despite the fact that he would have only received 10% of the vote and was not a threat to Putin, but the media of course loves to run these stories with 24/7 biased news coverage.

Maybe there is a third actor at work trying to keep Russia and the West divided?

[Setton]

16 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Maybe there is a third actor at work trying to keep Russia and the West divided?

Who just happens to have access to a highly secret nerve agent developed solely by Russia and previously used solely by Russia 

You are, as always, painfully transparent.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Setton

[Duke Wellington]

14 minutes ago, Setton said:

Who just happens to have access to a highly secret nerve agent developed solely by Russia and previously used solely by Russia 

You are, as always, painfully transparent.

Are you really that daft to believe that Russia is the only country with a chemical warfare industry?

One thing that doesn`t make sense about this alleged poisoning (which someone has already pointed out to you) is that Mr Navalny wasn`t that popular in Belarus at any point in time. He has always had a small support base.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Cookie Monster

[TigerBright19]

40 minutes ago, Setton said:

Who just happens to have access to a highly secret nerve agent developed solely by Russia and previously used solely by Russia 

 

There are 5 different types of Novichok with various degrees of strength.  It's been around for nearly 50 years (since 1971).

Many countries have it.  It was also sold on the black market. e.g.

Wiki - 'Leonid Rink, an employee of GosNIIOKhT, received a one-year suspended sentence for selling Novichok agents to unnamed buyers, and was convicted in Russia in 1994 for illegally selling the agent."

'In the 1990s, the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) obtained a sample of a Novichok agent from a Russian scientist, and the sample was analysed in Sweden.  The chemical formula was given to Western NATO countries, who used small amounts to test protective and testing equipment, and antidotes.'

Iran and Czech scientists have synthesised the agent and it is believed there is some held at the British chemical weapons facility near Salisbury (where the previous attacks occurred and were blamed on Russia).  

The recent attack on the politician / activist could be a foreign bought substandard version of the poison.  Skynews says - 'German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said. Testing by a special German military laboratory showed proof of "a chemical nerve agent from the novichok group"

It could be a lesser non-lethal version (by design) and was purchased on the black market for the purpose of boosting PR and accusing Putin of attempted assassination which the media and opposing governments are happy to run with.

 

 

Edited September 2, 2020 by TigerBright19

[Duke Wellington]

32 minutes ago, TigerBright19 said:

There are 5 different types of Novichok with various degrees of strength.  It's been around for nearly 50 years (since 1971).

Many countries have it.  It was also sold on the black market. e.g.

Wiki - 'Leonid Rink, an employee of GosNIIOKhT, received a one-year suspended sentence for selling Novichok agents to unnamed buyers, and was convicted in Russia in 1994 for illegally selling the agent."

'In the 1990s, the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) obtained a sample of a Novichok agent from a Russian scientist, and the sample was analysed in Sweden.  The chemical formula was given to Western NATO countries, who used small amounts to test protective and testing equipment, and antidotes.'

Iran and Czech scientists have synthesised the agent and it is believed there is some held at the British chemical weapons facility near Salisbury (where the previous attacks occurred and were blamed on Russia).  

The recent attack on the politician / activist could be a foreign bought substandard version of the poison.  Skynews says - 'German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said. Testing by a special German military laboratory showed proof of "a chemical nerve agent from the novichok group"

It could be a lesser non-lethal version (by design) and was purchased on the black market for the purpose of boosting PR and accusing Putin of attempted assassination which the media and opposing governments are happy to run with.

Our brains send electrical signals along nerves. When they reach our muscles there is a gap a signal has to cross which is done via a molecule produced by the nerves. That reaches the receptors in the muscles causing them to contract. At the same time a chemical is released to break down that molecule otherwise the muscle would remain contracted.

The nerve gas stops that chemical being released resulting in muscles stuck in contraction. When Novichok gets to the heart and lungs it basically stops those muscles functioning properly cutting off the flow of oxygenated blood to the brain. It isn`t instant, and can take up to an hour depending on dose.

Saving someone poisoned with nerve gas is about getting them onto life support before their lungs and heart stop. Then it takes several weeks for the nerve gas to work its way out of their system. In the meantime that means blood tests can reveal Novichok poisoning if its occurred.

There are medications to speed it up but Mr Navalny is going to be out of it for a few weeks.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Cookie Monster

[Setton]

55 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Are you really that daft to believe that Russia is the only country with a chemical warfare industry?

One thing that doesn`t make sense about this alleged poisoning (which someone has already pointed out to you) is that Mr Navalny wasn`t that popular in Belarus at any point in time. He has always had a small support base.

Not entirely surprising that a RUSSIAN opposition leader has little support in BELARUS...

In other news there are very few people in Tanzania who would vote for Boris Johnson.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Setton

[Setton]

51 minutes ago, TigerBright19 said:

There are 5 different types of Novichok with various degrees of strength.  It's been around for nearly 50 years (since 1971).

Many countries have it.  It was also sold on the black market. e.g.

Wiki - 'Leonid Rink, an employee of GosNIIOKhT, received a one-year suspended sentence for selling Novichok agents to unnamed buyers, and was convicted in Russia in 1994 for illegally selling the agent."

'In the 1990s, the German Federal Intelligence Service (BND) obtained a sample of a Novichok agent from a Russian scientist, and the sample was analysed in Sweden.  The chemical formula was given to Western NATO countries, who used small amounts to test protective and testing equipment, and antidotes.'

Iran and Czech scientists have synthesised the agent and it is believed there is some held at the British chemical weapons facility near Salisbury (where the previous attacks occurred and were blamed on Russia).  

The recent attack on the politician / activist could be a foreign bought substandard version of the poison.  Skynews says - 'German Chancellor Angela Merkel's spokesman Steffen Seibert said. Testing by a special German military laboratory showed proof of "a chemical nerve agent from the novichok group"

It could be a lesser non-lethal version (by design) and was purchased on the black market for the purpose of boosting PR and accusing Putin of attempted assassination which the media and opposing governments are happy to run with.

 

 

I'm sure one day a source will be forthcoming...

And no, Russia is not a reliable source in a thread about Russia poisoning people.

Edited September 2, 2020 by Setton

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[Still Waters]

Alexei Navalny has been taken out of his induced coma

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Russian opposition leader Alexei Navalny has been taken out of an induced coma after his suspected poisoning with the novichok nerve agent.

Mr Navalny, 44, is now said to be responding to speech at the Berlin hospital where he has been treated since last month.

Doctors added that despite the improvement in his condition, "long-term consequences of the serious poisoning can still not be ruled out".

https://news.sky.com/story/alexei-navalny-out-of-induced-coma-and-responding-to-speech-12065992

[Tatetopa]

On 9/2/2020 at 9:26 AM, TigerBright19 said:

One theory that should warrant further investigation is that he may have poisoned himself with a non-lethal dose to significantly boost his own importance in the media and blame his political opponent, despite the fact that he would have only received 10% of the vote and was not a threat to Putin, but the media of course loves to run these stories with 24/7 biased news coverage.

 

On 9/2/2020 at 2:48 PM, Cookie Monster said:

Maybe there is a third actor at work trying to keep Russia and the West divided?

I am waiting for your reveal, was it the Greys or the Lizard People?  Can't wait to find out.

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, Tatetopa said:

I am waiting for your reveal, was it the Greys or the Lizard People?  Can't wait to find out.

Novichok samples over past decades have been leaked to NATO and Iran according to wiki. The chemical is believed to be stable for nearly 100 years.

Who would benefit most from division between Russia and NATO?

[Tatetopa]

6 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Who would benefit most from division between Russia and NATO?

Who would benefit most from a loud, public, and widely shared Putin critic  no longer being around?

[RoofGardener]

9 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Novichok samples over past decades have been leaked to NATO and Iran according to wiki. The chemical is believed to be stable for nearly 100 years.

Who would benefit most from division between Russia and NATO?

Or just possibly, it is nothing to do with that, and it is the FSB demonstratng that it CAN kill anyone who criticses Tsar Putin. 

[Duke Wellington]

12 minutes ago, Tatetopa said:

Who would benefit most from a loud, public, and widely shared Putin critic  no longer being around?

Who isn`t that popular in Belarus?

I suspect it was Iran keeping Russia aligned to it.

[Tatetopa]

16 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Who isn`t that popular in Belarus?

The President of Belarus.

[Setton]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

Who isn`t that popular in Belarus?

I suspect it was Iran keeping Russia aligned to it.

For the millionth time, why do you keep blathering on about Belarus? Navalny is Russian, Putin is Russian, neither of them is in Belarus. Neither of them has been to Belarus recently.

Might as well talk about Navalny's popularity in Mali...

[Still Waters]

Latest on his condition.

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Russian opposition politician Alexei Navalny is reportedly able to speak again as he continues to make progress in his recovery from his suspected novichok poisoning.

His police protection has also been stepped up in anticipation of having more visitors as his condition improves in the German capital, according to Der Spiegel magazine.

"Der Spiegel and Bellingcat understand that Navalny can speak again and can likely remember details about his collapse," the publication wrote, crediting its investigative website partner.

"His statements could be dangerous for people behind the attack."

https://news.sky.com/story/alexei-navalny-poisoning-putin-critic-can-talk-again-as-police-protection-stepped-up-12067856

 

[Still Waters]

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Alexei Navalny: Putin critic shares first photo from hospital after novichok poisoning

The Russian opposition leader is out of an induced coma and says he can now breathe on his own.

https://news.sky.com/story/putin-critic-alexei-navalny-shares-photo-from-hospital-after-novichok-poisoning-12072421

[Still Waters]

Latest: Alexei Navalny 'poisoned with novichok via hotel water bottle', team claims

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Alexei Navalny was poisoned via a water bottle in his Siberian hotel room, according to the Kremlin critic's entourage.

The claim was made via an Instagram post on the politician's account on Thursday morning.

The politician's team say they found traces of the novichok nerve agent on a bottle in his room in Tomsk.

https://news.sky.com/story/alexei-navalnys-team-say-putin-critic-poisoned-with-novichok-in-hotel-room-12073892

 

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Novichok found on water bottle suggests Russia's Navalny poisoned before he went to airport, aides say

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/09/17/europe/navalny-novichok-poisoned-water-intl/index.html

 

[Still Waters]

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Putin critic Alexei Navalny has been pictured walking down stairs in hospital as he continues to recover after being poisoned with novichok.

He said in a post on Instagram that he still has difficulties climbing stairs because his legs tremble but his path to recovery is now "clear, although long".

https://news.sky.com/story/navalny-pictured-walking-down-stairs-as-he-recovers-from-novichok-poisoning-12075827

[Setton]

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Alexei Navalny: Russian activist discharged from Berlin hospital

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/world-europe-54262279