Trump loses bid to block tax returns release

[Gromdor]

22 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

Absolutely!  Before covid, we were kicking butt.  Standing up to China and Iran.  Standing up to allies and trading partners that were allowed to take advantage of us for so long.  Now we have a decent trade deal with our partners and NATO is stronger.  We’ve become the number 1 exporter of energy.  Unemployment had reached record lows (especially minorities).  He unleashed our economy and made it stronger.  If he hadn’t done that, we’d be wallowing in another bad recession.  He’s building the wall (and who cares who pays for it).  The market has almost recovered to pre-covid.  He did it once, he can do it again.  Biden will run from all of these challenges.

Not true. Covid did come at a convenient time to be a scapegoat, however.   Manufacturing was already in a recession, the trade deficit was and continues to be a worse levels than when he started the trade war, farmers were needing round after round of bailout money.  There still is no trade deal with China but we have NAFTA 2.0.  He repainted some old wall and made 3 or so miles of new wall.  Saudi Arabia and Russia crashed oil prices to put US oil out of business. That was all pre-COVID.

Post Covid erased everything he could claim as a positive.  Come January Trump will have left America worse than than when Obama left it.  Unemployment at record highs (especially minorities), an economy shackled with debt in the trillions. 

[+Desertrat56]

24 minutes ago, Setton said:

So the American people, as a group, are insane?

No argument here...

Will does not speak for all of us.

[+and-then]

3 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Actually, it’s the other way around.  Covid deaths are being reevaluated.  Did the person die of covid or did they die with it?  People who have died in car accidents, if they were tested postmortem and it came back positive, that death was recorded as a covid death.

 

Yeah... there was some poor motorcycle rider who died in a crash and because he'd tested positive, he was listed as a Covid death.  I simply don't trust the numbers coming out of CDC.  Birx herself cast doubt on them.  Maybe as many as 25% elevated.  That's not me saying Covid isn't deadly for some people.  It's a very serious health condition but there is ZERO doubt that the numbers and the symptoms are being politicized in this election year.  Those in authority who are doing this consciously are low lifes IMO.

[+and-then]

4 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Even though we are probably still inaccurate, we’re doing better than most.

But...but...but... huge numbers of new cases!!!!  Remember the good old days when it was about flattening the curve and managing the hospital bed and respirator capacity?  What are we on now?  Is it day 155 of the 15 days to flatten the curve?  Ridiculous.  Those goal posts didn't just shift, hell they took flight.  And those who are depending on this issue to remove the Bad Orange Man won't even admit it.  It's pathetic, actually.

[+and-then]

9 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

Maybe we would get a better slate of candidates if this was part of the preliminary interview.

Sounds great but it isn't like these career hacks are going to actually have the graft deposited into their savings account now, is it?  You could give any Democrat or Republican who is seeking that office a thorough audit and they'll come back SQUEAKY clean.  Maybe we should demand that thei sons, daughters, cousins, or brothers be investigated.  Look at Hunter Biden, for example.  

This hit job on Trump won't ever affect a Democrat because no one in media will push it and the swamp will protect them.  I gotta tell ya though... this whole new level of lawlessness we are seeing is at least going to cause politicians at this level to spend a LOT more money on personal security.  For themselves and their families.  That's the thing about lawlessness, once it becomes a trend, there is no ignoring the consequences.

[+and-then]

7 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Trump hasn't been embarrassing himself.  It has all been the Left.  Every attempt they've tried to get him out of office over the last four years has failed with egg on their face.  I don't see anything changing.  The classical example is watching the Joker and the Penguin waddle through the capital building to deliver the articles of impeachment to Darth Vader's theme.    I think Trump has been enjoying himself, sticking it to the Left.  He's got them so worked up that if and when his taxes are released, it'll be another nothing burger and the Left will really go off the deep end.  Sekulow is filing a stay anyway, so the fun isn't over.

Yeah.  The headline sounds like a quarter flash and three parts ho hum since "Following the ruling, the president filed an emergency appeal to delay the enforcement of the subpoena.

He'll continue to fight against this, as he should.  It's none of their damned business to be trying to give him yet another proctology exam.  I usually give the folks around me all due credit for being rational until they prove me wrong.  Watching people here and all over the country salivating at the idea that they might yet be able to use some branch of government to destroy this guy is sick, pathetic.  It's like they don't understand the concept of precedent setting.  I sincerely hope that those who are doing the heavy breathing over this, wind up in front of a Federal judge in their own lives and THEN we can ask how much they enjoy giving that bench more power to go after citizens.

[CrimsonKing]

7 minutes ago, and then said:

Yeah.  The headline sounds like a quarter flash and three parts ho hum since "Following the ruling, the president filed an emergency appeal to delay the enforcement of the subpoena.

He'll continue to fight against this, as he should.  It's none of their damned business to be trying to give him yet another proctology exam.  I usually give the folks around me all due credit for being rational until they prove me wrong.  Watching people here and all over the country salivating at the idea that they might yet be able to use some branch of government to destroy this guy is sick, pathetic.  It's like they don't understand the concept of precedent setting.  I sincerely hope that those who are doing the heavy breathing over this, wind up in front of a Federal judge in their own lives and THEN we can ask how much they enjoy giving that bench more power to go after citizens.

Gotta admit,kinda funny to see the Dems have the DNC yet Trump gets the bump in the polls 

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, and then said:

Sounds great but it isn't like these career hacks are going to actually have the graft deposited into their savings account now, is it?  You could give any Democrat or Republican who is seeking that office a thorough audit and they'll come back SQUEAKY clean.  Maybe we should demand that thei sons, daughters, cousins, or brothers be investigated.  Look at Hunter Biden, for example.  

This hit job on Trump won't ever affect a Democrat because no one in media will push it and the swamp will protect them.  I gotta tell ya though... this whole new level of lawlessness we are seeing is at least going to cause politicians at this level to spend a LOT more money on personal security.  For themselves and their families.  That's the thing about lawlessness, once it becomes a trend, there is no ignoring the consequences.

I agree that you can't prevent every eventuality, but as they say, locks keep honest people honest.   If you read about drug busts in the paper, sometimes it is because they have so much money they can't explain, they slip up by spending way to much on big traceable purchasing.  Now to your point, it might be a good idea to audit Congressmen every couple of years although that might seem draconian.

We could demand that family be investigated if you think that might help.   If Hunter Biden or Donald Trump Jr. did something illegal, would you hold their father responsible or do you mean you think the parent might be hiding money in their son's or son's girlfriend's account?  

Right now, I would be happy if candidates like Biden and Harris for example ponied up his returns. 

[Tatetopa]

1 hour ago, and then said:

I gotta tell ya though... this whole new level of lawlessness we are seeing is at least going to cause politicians at this level to spend a LOT more money on personal security. 

Also true. Yet there is a difference between lawlessness like the rioters and due process through the courts.

[RavenHawk]

9 hours ago, Tatetopa said:

He showed his true character and so has Donald Trump.

Yes, Trump has.  He’s proved that he is not just a billionaire playboy.  He is a tireless dynamo working for the American people.  With good character and love for this nation, he has made life better in this country.  He’s handled every Progressive manufactured crisis or soft coup they have thrown at him.  He’s like a modern-day Star Spangled Banner.

[Setton]

7 hours ago, Will do said:

 

I guess. I don't know how many died FOR YOUR COUNTRY!

 

 

None.

[Setton]

7 hours ago, Desertrat56 said:

Will does not speak for all of us.

So he's a liar then? See, I thought that was the more likely explanation but he seemed so sure of himself.

[lightly]

16 hours ago, Will do said:

 

You watch CNN too much.

 

 

Let me guess....your a Newsmax fan?  . .  or as I call it, the trump channel.

[+Desertrat56]

8 hours ago, Setton said:

So he's a liar then? See, I thought that was the more likely explanation but he seemed so sure of himself.

You can conclude anything you like, maybe instead of trying to fight or denigrate you can just be a grown up and remember that anything Will says applies to himself in his universe, just like anything you say applies to yourself in your universe.  You are often no better than he is.  I am getting fed up with the constant, insistent, denigration of others that some of you do too often.  If you feel so low about your self that you have to denigrate someone else you are a sad character.  Maybe you need  to take a walk and actually speak to people in person, look in their eyes, pet a dog or cat, smell the roses, etc. (and remember to wear your mask).  

[Setton]

1 hour ago, Desertrat56 said:

You can conclude anything you like, maybe instead of trying to fight or denigrate you can just be a grown up and remember that anything Will says applies to himself in his universe, just like anything you say applies to yourself in your universe.  You are often no better than he is.

Based on what I have seen, I am better than him in every way and I make no apologies for that.

I do not need your approval or permission for anything I post here.

[+Desertrat56]

10 minutes ago, Setton said:

Based on what I have seen, I am better than him in every way and I make no apologies for that.

I do not need your approval or permission for anything I post here.

Like I said, "in your universe"

[RavenHawk]

8 hours ago, Agent0range said:

What do you cosider "the swamp?" 

The swamp consists of many parts.  You have the elected Socialists.  You have the unelected bureaucracy (Deep State).  You have the MSM (academia, sports, and Hollywood can be included here).  And you have the Never-Trumpers and Establishment Republicans (Rinos).  Socialism has taken a long time to cultivate these four pillars for a very long time, as they aren’t really pro American.

 

We have an Education Secretary who never had a real job in her life, let alone any involvement in the education field, but she did donate tons of money to Trump. 

I don’t think Biden has ever had a real job in his life either??  DeVos is a business owner and philanthropist.  She strongly believes in school choice and vouchers.  The teacher’s unions must be broken in order to give our children a chance at a fulfilling future (free from indoctrination).  The old way is failing them.  The Left is all about change, well here’s change, change that works.  But the Left doesn’t want change where they lose power.

 

We have Ivanka receiving patents in China 10 times faster than anyone else. 

I believe that this *deal* was initiated before Trump even ran.  China is very active into hooking American businesses.  I really don’t think she is getting very many patents in China these days.

 

We have a Postmaster General crippling the USPS

How do you cripple something that is already crippled?  It is hemorrhaging money.  That malfeasance must stop.  I’m pretty sure, this was not Franklin’s idea of how to run a postal service.  We all depend on this service; we should get something that works for us.

 

who owns stake in a company that...wait for it...receives contracts from the USPS when they can't handle the package delivery volume. 

Make up your mind.  When filling a Cabinet spot, you can either fill it with someone with no experience in the field or someone that has a big interest in that field.  Either way you are going to end up with a very interesting situation.  So you are implying that he is somehow sabotaging the USPS so that he can take over package delivery?  Well, maybe he is?  If it makes the USPS more efficient, who cares?  If it is successful, we’ll see if the next PMG keeps the changes or not?  Something needs to change (not fundamental change).  Fed Ex and UPS have already took over the package handling load.  Perhaps it’s time to reduce the USPS to strictly letters (including checks) and small packages (medicines)?  Clear out the junk mail and fraud.  Ensure delivery of ballots (to and from).  We’ve got to stop doing the same old thing.

 

There’s another part to this that is dishonest.  It is the web of deception that the Left spins on things like this to throw negative light on the President, the American people, and America herself.  The American people are not as stupid as the Left think we are.  In this particular case, the stories about removing mailboxes and sorting machines and then weaving it into a web of misinformation, saying how Trump is trying to make it difficult for minorities to mail in ballots.  Are minorities that inept that they can’t find a mailbox?  That is all fiction but it doesn’t matter because the Left scripted it, the MSM reports it, therefore, it is truth.  Many on this forum uses that chain of custody as an authority source and they think they are untouchable.

 

The facts are that since 2009, 14,000 mailboxes have been removed.  Most under Obama and most of them because they don’t get used.  The post office does this all the time.  They install new boxes when requested and approved and they remove underused boxes.  Those are normal functions of the Post Office.  When you hear a description from the media about sorting machines that have been warehoused, they always quote a postal worker saying that those machines still work very well.  And I’m sure they do when they are up and running, but do they spend most of the time offline because of a malfunction?  Downtime waiting for it to be repaired becomes longer than when it runs.  That sounds like it is obsolete.

 

We have a former aid that was arrested today for stealing  border wall funds obtained from selling autographed copies of Trump Jr.'s book.  People in the administration firing the people investigating them.  ZERO oversight whatsoever.  This is as swampy as it gets.  

If you shake the corporate and political trees, inequities fall out.  Don’t you think that Bezos and Gates have skeletons in their closets?  That’s what the Left illegally did to Trump and there was no Russian collusion.  The rest were process crimes and crimes committed while not in employment of Trump.  Now it’s Trump’s turn to shake the tree and it is about to rain corruption coming from the Left and Deep State.

[Agent0range]

6 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

How do you cripple something that is already crippled?  It is hemorrhaging money.  That malfeasance must stop.  I’m pretty sure, this was not Franklin’s idea of how to run a postal service.  We all depend on this service; we should get something that works for us.

The post office is a service, you fool.  It provides us with A SERVICE, it's not there to make a profit.  The military is hemorrhaging money.  Do we cut that out because it doesn't make a profit?  Does any other government agency make a profit?  LOL, you claim you work for the government...and you think a government contract to deliver every piece of mail would be cheaper than the post office?  Ask the postmaster general how much he's made off of government contracts to deliver the mail

[aztek]

 anyone remembers a fake birth certificate obama released? a pdf made by a 3rd grader, well he showed an example, trump needs to follow it.

[RavenHawk]

On 8/21/2020 at 7:42 PM, Agent0range said:

The post office is a service, you fool.

Where does it say that a government service *MUST* lose money?  A fool is one that spends all that they have.

 

It provides us with A SERVICE, it's not there to make a profit. 

All services must make a profit.  If it doesn't, then it can survive.

 

The military is hemorrhaging money. 

In this example, the military is not a service but an investment.  I don’t see the post office defending this nation.  What are they going to do, mail letters to the enemy so that they can get paper cuts or perhaps sent them anthrax?

 

Do we cut that out because it doesn't make a profit? 

We should seriously think about it.  Or reorganize it so that it will be profitable.  And/or go with the idea I proposed.

 

Does any other government agency make a profit? 

I really doubt it.  And those need to be reformed or terminated.  The government needs to be more fiscally responsible.

 

LOL, you claim you work for the government...

The funds that cover my pay originate with the government.

 

and you think a government contract to deliver every piece of mail would be cheaper than the post office? 

If the post office needs an ever-increasing amount of funds to function, then yes.

 

Ask the postmaster general how much he's made off of government contracts to deliver the mail

I would think that he’d want the post office to stay solvent to eat up the overhead.

[aztek]

Manhattan prosecutor agrees to shelve subpoena for Trump tax returns

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