And the Pinocchio Award goes to

[thedutchiedutch]

What a bunch of crap. She claims 'America is not racist,' later says she 'faced discrimination'. You can't fix what you don't acknowledge. 
Wake up America, so many snakes in the grass. Go and vote !

Article and source : https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/nikki-haley-claims-america-not-racist-later-says-she-faced-n1238025

[Piney]

For information on the awarding party....

https://www.sourcewatch.org/index.php/Hudson_Institute

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Michael_Fumento

https://rationalwiki.org/wiki/Scooter_Libby

[+OverSword]

She's part asian??  

But I think saying there are racists in the USA is not the same as saying the USA is racist.  If the USA was racist it would be segregated by law like it was in the south shortly before I was born.  Every country is racist if you're going to qualify it by people being racist vs racism is law.

Edited August 25, 2020 by OverSword

[Rolltide]

1 minute ago, OverSword said:

She's part asian??  

But I think saying there are racists in the USA is not the same as saying the USA is racist.  If the USA was racist it would be segregated by law like it was in the south shortly before I was born.  Every country is racist if your going to qualify it by people being racist vs racism is law.

Her father, Ajit Singh Randhawa, and her mother, Raj Kaur Randhawa, immigrated to the United States from Amritsar District, Punjab, India.^[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley

 

[+OverSword]

1 minute ago, Rolltide said:

Her father, Ajit Singh Randhawa, and her mother, Raj Kaur Randhawa, immigrated to the United States from Amritsar District, Punjab, India.^[9]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Nikki_Haley

 

I guess I'm just not concerned enough to have recognized that on sight.  

[papageorge1]

I say America today is not a racist country!

There is always individual good and bad behavior on all sides and that is a normal country by my reckoning. 

Edited August 25, 2020 by papageorge1

[+OverSword]

Personally if I were going to vote for a democrat for president it would be Andrew Yang, and if I was going to vote for a republican it would be Nikki Haley.  

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I guess I'm just not concerned enough to have recognized that on sight.  

I had no clue either,when she said she was a "brown girl" Rachel Dolezal immediately popped into my head 

[+and-then]

8 minutes ago, OverSword said:

She's part asian??  

But I think saying there are racists in the USA is not the same as saying the USA is racist.  If the USA was racist it would be segregated by law like it was in the south shortly before I was born.  Every country is racist if you're going to qualify it by people being racist vs racism is law.

I grew up in the South during desegregation.  I KNOW what racism looks like and this country is not a racist country.  Those who hate people for the color of their skin will NEVER be totally eliminated and if that is the measure then all nations, forever, will be racist.

[+and-then]

4 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Personally if I were going to vote for a democrat for president it would be Andrew Yang, and if I was going to vote for a republican it would be Nikki Haley.  

You may well get your chance in 2024.   I'd vote for the lady in a heartbeat.  She is a strong, principled person.

[CrimsonKing]

2 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Personally if I were going to vote for a democrat for president it would be Andrew Yang, and if I was going to vote for a republican it would be Nikki Haley.  

I agree on Yang,but something with Haley just doesn't sit right with me...not really sure why,just have a funny feeling her and the Lindsey Grahams of the party would be stiring up more trouble in the ME.

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, thedutchiedutch said:

What a bunch of crap. She claims 'America is not racist,' later says she 'faced discrimination'. You can't fix what you don't acknowledge. 
Wake up America, so many snakes in the grass. Go and vote !

Article and source : https://www.nbcnews.com/news/asian-america/nikki-haley-claims-america-not-racist-later-says-she-faced-n1238025

Racism exists in all societies towards people from elsewhere. Its human nature. States legislate against it and do what they can to help them get along. America does a lot, its not like the 19th century anymore. The USA is not a racist country, however some Americans are and always will be.

The cherry picking of black deaths at the hands of police officers (when black deaths at the hands of police officers are actually very low) is just politics. Its an attempt to collect the black vote for the election. The hope is that they disengage their logic or dont check out the facts and are swept along to vote Democrat by their resulting fears and insecurities.

I have a problem with a party that does that on a number of issues. It pretty much sums up what the Democrats are currently about. There are no constructive plans to improve the USA making it greater, they are just turning Americans against each other, whipping up hysteria, and hoping the resulting fears and insecurities in the population will be enough to get them elected.

The opening day of their election campaign said it all. No where did I hear `vote for us because this is what we can do for America` and instead it was all `dont vote Trump because he is a bad man`. A party which cannot win an election based on offering the policies which the majority of the population want and instead resorts to bad mouthing their opponent is a party not fit for power.

[papageorge1]

23 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The cherry picking of black deaths at the hands of police officers (when black deaths at the hands of police officers are actually very low) is just politics.

Amen to the 'cherry picking' comment. 

[Autochthon1990]

America is racist, and the only way to fix it is say 'yeah, we've got a problem here, so lets roll up our sleeves and get to work on it'. 

Problem is, there's a subsection of this country that stops just shy of worshipping the country itself. But a country cannot endure that way, where you think everything it ever does is perfect, without flaw, and without reason to change. A real patriot says 'yeah this is a problem, so let's put our blood, sweat and tears into fixing it', an enabler on the other hand just encourages everything as fine just the way it is. 

[simplybill]

1 hour ago, thedutchiedutch said:

She claims 'America is not racist,' later says she 'faced discrimination'. 

Both statements can be true, though there are nuances that are better understood by mixed-race people. Both Kamala Harris and Nikki Haley likely had experiences growing up that I would never be able to understand as a full-blooded Caucasian. I’m willing to cut them both some slack.

I looked up the author’s background. I can understand why Kimmy Yam might be quick to judge Nikki Haley (and possibly Kamala Harris). Being full-blooded Chinese, Ms. Yam never had the option to switch ethnicities. Her article should be read while keeping in mind that possible bias.

Her story here is really kind of heartbreaking:

https://www.i-see.co/kimmy-yam

[RavenHawk]

1 hour ago, thedutchiedutch said:

What a bunch of crap. She claims 'America is not racist,' later says she 'faced discrimination'. You can't fix what you don't acknowledge. 
Wake up America, so many snakes in the grass. Go and vote !

Some people have difficulty understanding higher concepts.  You're no different.  This country is not racist, but there is discrimination.  Discrimination from every race to another.  There is a difference.  This systemic racism is perpetuated by the Left to control the Black.  To keep them on the Plantation.  That really does not exist.  It is manufactured to create anarchy.  It is state sponsored.  And when I say 'state', I mean the Left. 

We grew up poor, not dirt poor but it was close.  We didn't think we were poor because we had a roof over our heads, a warm place to sleep, food in our bellies and two parents that loved us greatly.  I suppose that is white privilege and only white privilege.  Minority families don't share the same thing, right?  That white privilege counted for nada.  We were looked down on by the affluent White kids.  And growing up in a heavy Hispanic area of town, we didn't spell our name right.  We were picked on and bullied.  Did I end up resenting wealth or Hispanics?  No.

[papageorge1]

3 hours ago, thedutchiedutch said:

What a bunch of crap. She claims 'America is not racist

Just to understand can you quick list me how modern America is so racist that you’re giving us doubters Pinocchio awards.

Edited August 26, 2020 by papageorge1

[Big Jim]

2 hours ago, Autochthon1990 said:

But a country cannot endure that way, where you think everything it ever does is perfect, without flaw, and without reason to change.

Who thinks that way?  Not asking for a list, but I have never heard anyone, from the President, any President, to the man on the street say that about America.  It was never expected to be perfect.  That's why we have such frequent elections.  It's why we have states instead of one big homogenous country.  That gives us 50 ways to try things with no chance of perfection.  We've endured for 230 years by not being perfect, but with constant change in pursuit of being better.

[Aroundthecorner]

A country cant be racist some of its occupants can be though, she is a strong woman the kind the DNC crave sadly she bats for the opposition so she gets the curve ball.

[Piney]

8 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Some people have difficulty understanding higher concepts.  You're no different.  This country is not racist, but there is discrimination.  Discrimination from every race to another.  There is a difference.  This systemic racism is perpetuated by the Left to control the Black.  To keep them on the Plantation.  That really does not exist.  It is manufactured to create anarchy.  It is state sponsored.  And when I say 'state', I mean the Left. 

Nobody paid attention when Martin Luther King Jr. said we have to close the ghettos and take the profit out of poverty yet the welfare profiteers will quote him on everything else.

I had 2 poor friends who were innocent, yet beaten bad by the cops. One, Brian, was Irish American. He was killed. The other Davy, was Korean and beaten into a coma. 

[Duke Wellington]

1 hour ago, Piney said:

Nobody paid attention when Martin Luther King Jr. said we have to close the ghettos and take the profit out of poverty yet the welfare profiteers will quote him on everything else.

I had 2 poor friends who were innocent, yet beaten bad by the cops. One, Brian, was Irish American. He was killed. The other Davy, was Korean and beaten into a coma. 

My main issue is with the socialism.

Socialism doesnt create wealth it redistributes it away from businesses. As higher taxes are levied onto them to pay for it then they find it harder to compete in price sensitive markets. In order to get their costs down they relocate to China and other 3rd world countries. Socialism guts the middle out of a society. It produces a large working class. All those manufacturing jobs drift to China or other 3rd world countries.

What the Democrats are attempting to do is couple socialism with the vote of minorities. You, in your desire to see racism ended, are being used as a pawn to bring in communism. You are turned into such a pawn because the Democrats are sowing the seeds of division in US society to make you think everyone is against you, and they are praying on your resultant fears and insecurities to whip up hysteria.

The Democrats wont end racism either, racism is a part of human nature. The best you can hope for instead of wishing for the impossible is to know how to stand up for yourself whenever you encounter it. Dont be drawn into ruining the economy of the USA by voting for more socialism as it doesnt work. It destroys economies and creates far more working class households instead of reducing their number.

[Piney]

1 minute ago, Cookie Monster said:

My main issue is with the socialism.

No, my tribe practices socialism.

The problem is Liberals are all elitist closet aristocrats. 

[Grim Reaper 6]

11 hours ago, RavenHawk said:

Some people have difficulty understanding higher concepts.  You're no different.  This country is not racist, but there is discrimination.  Discrimination from every race to another.  There is a difference.  This systemic racism is perpetuated by the Left to control the Black.  To keep them on the Plantation.  That really does not exist.  It is manufactured to create anarchy.  It is state sponsored.  And when I say 'state', I mean the Left. 

We grew up poor, not dirt poor but it was close.  We didn't think we were poor because we had a roof over our heads, a warm place to sleep, food in our bellies and two parents that loved us greatly.  I suppose that is white privilege and only white privilege.  Minority families don't share the same thing, right?  That white privilege counted for nada.  We were looked down on by the affluent White kids.  And growing up in a heavy Hispanic area of town, we didn't spell our name right.  We were picked on and bullied.  Did I end up resenting wealth or Hispanics?  No.

The current systematic racism in is perpetrated by the Federal and State Governments, by Christian Religious Organizations, by Americas Police forces and by people like you who Politicize it and point the finger at a single political party. You are one of the most biased posters on this forum. Your comments alway line up in a single direction, and that is the Left. Your story about the manner in which you grew up is certainly touching, its kind of like telling people that you have a number of Black friends, but it doesnt change you closed mind and biased opinions. 

Until you can freely admit and recognize the corruption, bias, and racism in both the Democratic and Republican parties the opinions you express, and yes I did say Opinions are truly meaningless, but hey that is just food for thought.

Think about it.

[RavenHawk]

39 minutes ago, Piney said:

No, my tribe practices socialism.

The problem is Liberals are all elitist closet aristocrats. 

That is the problem with Socialism.  There are no checks on the power that the leadership controls.  Now I’m going to say something unusual, but I believe that Socialism works on the small scale, family to a small nation of a few million.  Now at the family and tribe level, the patriarch has the deepest interest in the wellbeing of the members, so the dangers are minimal.  But as the population grows, the possibility for abuse grows.  European nations decry that they are not Socialist but Capitalists, but Socialists can still use Capitalism to run the economy.  The question is where does the control over the economy reside?  Does the state own the means of production directly or do they control the actions of those that own it?  Either way, under Socialism there is no guarantee for the individual to keep the fruits of their labor.  Socialism draws the elitist closet aristocrats, because it is the promise of absolute power.

[Duke Wellington]

4 minutes ago, RavenHawk said:

That is the problem with Socialism.  There are no checks on the power that the leadership controls.  Now I’m going to say something unusual, but I believe that Socialism works on the small scale, family to a small nation of a few million.  Now at the family and tribe level, the patriarch has the deepest interest in the wellbeing of the members, so the dangers are minimal.  But as the population grows, the possibility for abuse grows.  European nations decry that they are not Socialist but Capitalists, but Socialists can still use Capitalism to run the economy.  The question is where does the control over the economy reside?  Does the state own the means of production directly or do they control the actions of those that own it?  Either way, under Socialism there is no guarantee for the individual to keep the fruits of their labor.  Socialism draws the elitist closet aristocrats, because it is the promise of absolute power.

Without seeming mean I dont consider tribal communities to be a success.

For those peoples that built civilizations then they had to find a better way of structuring their societies, resource distribution, motivating their populations, and driving technological advancement. As such we went from communal tribes, to kingdoms based on feudalism, to capitalist representative forms of government.

With capitalism it is largely self-regulating removing the need for government interference except for stepping in to resolve market failures and regulating the level of demand through fiscal policy. Socialism requires more human involvement as their is no self-regulation that occurs automatically. It requires a centre planning department to attempt to ascertain the resources and products its population needs and that leads to under and over production problems. It isn`t the efficient management of resources.

On top of that people are not equals, they all contribute differing levels of importance to the functioning of a society. It is very hard to motivate a highly skilled citizen when they earn just as much as a stamp licker. In fact, why bother getting any qualifications at all if a society is just going to be communist? You will get exactly the same anyway so there is no reward for doing anything other than the bare acceptable minimum. 

Successful nations arent built on socialism. Socialism arises when those who want to do the bare minimum, or those who arent capable of improving their skillsets, demand the same lifestyle as more affluent citizens. But demand it despite not contributing anything of significance to their society. Socialism is a race to the bottom, the lowest denominator.