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7 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Again you misuse the English language to lie and deceive to attempt to make others believe things that are not true.

 

Check your link. That's not a pond. It's a pond liner.

Your pretty loose with your terms. In the industry I work in, that would spell disaster.

No they don't. A foetus had gill arches which redevelop in the womb. 

No it doesn't.

It shows that either you are not cognizant enough to offer a complete description, or you outright lied.

They are the two options you have left me with here. 

Which one is it in this case may I ask? 

Then you don't know anatomy very well at all. 

Yes I can, and you can too. You don't want to admit that is all. 

I have not ever seen any good reason to accept the existance of gods. You can believe what you want, but you can't give me a good reason to accept that human tale as anything more than a human constructed myth. 

Evolution isn't static. If it was we would all be single celled organisms. Holding onto a mental security blanket for centuries doesn't fit the description of evolution. 

You keep saying this and flooding threads with endless text to hide the real outcomes 

You overreach data to come to a narrow minded conclusion to support your own mental crutch. 

Not my experience. I feel better without as I am more honest with myself. That is probably more geared towards those who require a mental crutch to face a day. 

That's just a veiled threat like you will go to hell if you don't go to church. 

There are also prerequisites, which is what entirely destroys your argument.

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it is labelled a pond It looked like a concrete pond to me but it might also be a pond liner 

There are plenty of other ones labelled ponds, as opposed to pond liners 

https://www.avgc.com.au/collections/ponds 

Some humans are BORN with vestigial gills (or at least that's a well known scientific theory to explain small holes which about 1% of humans are born with)

 

Some people are born with an extra hole in their ear, the tiny opening, which sits right where the cartilage meets the face, is a condition called preauricular sinus and cyst that scientists believe may be an evolutionary remnant of gills.

https://www.google.com/search?q=preauricular+sinus+gills&rlz=1C1KAFA_enAU554AU554&sxsrf=ALeKk02Lx2sFWKFHa3y8W-X4bNwEyt_s5w:1600251829893&source=lnms&tbm=isch&sa=X&ved=2ahUKEwi_uPzOuu3rAhVESX0KHcKSCtcQ_AUoAXoECA0QAw&biw=1920&bih=969

 

Its perfectly acceptable and normal for you  not to have a reason for believing in gods. It is just that most people do.

Your circumstances shaped your beliefs and needs  

Its becoming pretty evident across multiple disciplines that belief compensates for the difficulties created by humans' levels of self  aware consciousness 

we have evolved belief to enable us to function with unknowns   eg knowledge of our mortality requires a compensatory mechanism to allow us to be happy and prosper, while still knowing we must die. 

This is supported by the science proving that belief promotes  longevity and  better  health, both of which increase the likelihood of progeny.

This causes such beneficial traits to become widespread or even universal.

it is not a threat. It is a valid and logical point 

If you accept things on faith, because the y seem reasonable to you, then you a re a person easily conned  (note i did put generic there and it didn't apply to you )   The best cons are them most reasonable and believable ones.

Nothing should be taken on faith, no matter how believable you find it . 

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1 hour ago, Mr Walker said:

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it is labelled a pond It looked like a concrete pond to me but it might also be a pond liner 

There are plenty of other ones labelled ponds, as opposed to pond liners 

https://www.avgc.com.au/collections/ponds 

Might be? 

That's what it actually says at your link. 

Trade names and sales pitches don't change the definition.

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Some humans are BORN with vestigial gills (or at least that's a well known scientific theory to explain small holes which about 1% of humans are born with)

 

Some people are born with an extra hole in their ear, the tiny opening, which sits right where the cartilage meets the face, is a condition called preauricular sinus and cyst that scientists believe may be an evolutionary remnant of gills.

All foetuses have gill arches. The develop into lower facial bones. What your talking about is underdevelopment. It doesn't suggest in any distant way that a mermaid could exist.

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Its perfectly acceptable and normal for you  not to have a reason for believing in gods. It is just that most people do.

Your circumstances shaped your beliefs and needs  

Facts and their definition are what matters, not any circumstances other than becoming more aware of scientific progress. There is just no good reason for belief. Simple as that  It's a personal choice, and for most it's a cultural custom with the choice to understand and accept it removed without consent. 

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Its becoming pretty evident across multiple disciplines that belief compensates for the difficulties created by humans levels of self  aware consciousness 

we have evolved belief to enable us to function with unknowns   eg knowledge of our mortality requires a compensatory mechanism to allow us to be happy and prosper 

This is supported by the science proving that belief promotes  longevity and  better  health, both of which increase the likelihood of progeny.

This causes such beneficial traits to become widespread or even universal.

I see it as feeding an addiction to gain the support of other like minded people to get an extra couple of years. 

Not worth it from my perspective no matter the benefit. It's like telling a patriotic 2nd amendment supporter then can have an extra ten years life if they live on their knees and never touch a gun again.

How many people in that scenario would take up that option do you think? 

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it is not a threat. It is a valid and logical point 

If you accept things on faith, because the y seem reasonable to you, then you a re a person easily conned  (note i did put generic there and it didn't apply to you )   The best cons are them most reasonable and believable ones.

Sounds like it to me. What your leaving out here is how easy it is to validate a common claim, a glance may he all that is required.

Wether you accept that it not, your alien god claim remains extraordinary. Any proof of it would by definition be extraordinary. Thing is, our medical records offer the far, far more likely conclusion that such a wild claim is incredibly astoundingly extremely likely to be a delusion of some kind, and therefore human error, not the extravagant and rather imaginative conclusion that you have offered.

And quite frankly, I think most sensible people would agree that human error is the most likely.

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Nothing should be taken on faith, no matter how believable you find it . 

Exactly, which is why your posts are so regularly questioned and rationalised. Some things are just easier to accept, and don't attract attention. With your imaginative claims, it's clear you seek attention or you would not be telling them. You're only really receiving the critsism you seek. I just hope it's not a ploy to attract emotionally unstable people who are ready to grasp at any straw of hope. 

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These comments by MW are as ignorant as the thread in which MW tried to pretend there are false facts and true facts.

A pond is a body of water in which plants that are rooted can reach the surface across much of the area.

Therefore, a pond is a body of water, not a place a pond might be or once was. In the same way, the deserts in Egypt west of the Nile where whale skeletons are found is not a sea.

Therefore, a pond is not a body of water based on surface area size. Although we can find large bodies of water called ponds such as Ten Mile Pond in Newfoundland, the body is not a pond. The misnomer is due to the people naming the body of water coming from a particular area of the Europe where everything is called a pond.

A company selling something that can be used to form a pond does not mean that the object itself is actually a pond. Just as a store sells a bag of material to form concrete they call it concrete. It isn't at the time you purchase the material. 

MW, your reliance on illogical constructs, ignorance, and misuse of words seems to be all you have. You might try providing a useful response at some time. We'd all prefer to see that.

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14 minutes ago, stereologist said:

The misnomer is due to the people naming the body of water coming from a particular area of the Europe where everything is called a pond.

Just as the expression, "across the pond" doesn't actually make the Atlantic Ocean a pond.

 

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14 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Might be? 

That's what it actually says at your link. 

Trade names and sales pitches don't change the definition.

All foetuses have gill arches. The develop into lower facial bones. What your talking about is underdevelopment. It doesn't suggest in any distant way that a mermaid could exist.

Facts and their definition are what matters, not any circumstances other than becoming more aware of scientific progress. There is just no good reason for belief. Simple as that  It's a personal choice, and for most it's a cultural custom with the choice to understand and accept it removed without consent. 

I see it as feeding an addiction to gain the support of other like minded people to get an extra couple of years. 

Not worth it from my perspective no matter the benefit. It's like telling a patriotic 2nd amendment supporter then can have an extra ten years life if they live on their knees and never touch a gun again.

How many people in that scenario would take up that option do you think? 

Sounds like it to me. What your leaving out here is how easy it is to validate a common claim, a glance may he all that is required.

Wether you accept that it not, your alien god claim remains extraordinary. Any proof of it would by definition be extraordinary. Thing is, our medical records offer the far, far more likely conclusion that such a wild claim is incredibly astoundingly extremely likely to be a delusion of some kind, and therefore human error, not the extravagant and rather imaginative conclusion that you have offered.

And quite frankly, I think most sensible people would agree that human error is the most likely.

Exactly, which is why your posts are so regularly questioned and rationalised. Some things are just easier to accept, and don't attract attention. With your imaginative claims, it's clear you seek attention or you would not be telling them. You're only really receiving the critsism you seek. I just hope it's not a ploy to attract emotionally unstable people who are ready to grasp at any straw of hope. 

I will only reply to your last point, because in answering it, it answers all your other questions

 I post because these stories are true. Every one of them.

  They are not delusions, the stories of a person needing /seeking attention, and the y are not wish fulfilment or based on some psychological need 

 

Being true and not made up it is important to publish them and let others know 

What others believe after reading them   is irrelevant 

We all, including yourself, believe what makes us comfortable, but when faced with facts and evidences in our lives we cant ignore them  even if the y challenge our belief /disbelief and make us uncomfortable

Ps my medical records show no hint or sign of anything which would cause delusions etc My psychological records and profile show a person very well adjusted, and able to discern reality from unreality 

Sensible does not come into it and is a subjective term 

Some people will know from their own experiences that i am speaking a truth

Those without experience have to decide whether to believe or disbelieve.

Some, like you,  will be guided by a negative perception of religions,  faith  and belief, towards disbelief.

Others, with a more positive attitude towards faith/ belief, may be more inclined to believe 

I can't speak for others or their stories. 

Mine are real and true.

 My wife and i would have been killed a number of times, if not for the direct intervention of this being.  (well we could only die once, but you know what i mean) 

 

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14 hours ago, stereologist said:

These comments by MW are as ignorant as the thread in which MW tried to pretend there are false facts and true facts.

A pond is a body of water in which plants that are rooted can reach the surface across much of the area.

Therefore, a pond is a body of water, not a place a pond might be or once was. In the same way, the deserts in Egypt west of the Nile where whale skeletons are found is not a sea.

Therefore, a pond is not a body of water based on surface area size. Although we can find large bodies of water called ponds such as Ten Mile Pond in Newfoundland, the body is not a pond. The misnomer is due to the people naming the body of water coming from a particular area of the Europe where everything is called a pond.

A company selling something that can be used to form a pond does not mean that the object itself is actually a pond. Just as a store sells a bag of material to form concrete they call it concrete. It isn't at the time you purchase the material. 

MW, your reliance on illogical constructs, ignorance, and misuse of words seems to be all you have. You might try providing a useful response at some time. We'd all prefer to see that.

Thats one definition. It certainly is not the only one 

Maybe its a local or Australian thing but we have always talked about buying fish ponds, for example, meaning an artificial construct in which water, fish and plants can be placed.    Go to any advertisement and you will see these empty containers called fishponds.

Thus it is common usage, and by prior definition on UM, common usage is acceptable usage, here. 

So I am correct ,again :)   ps in australia we have dry seas which once contained water :)

 So to be clear. A fishpond is any structure, natural or artificial, intended to hold fish.  It is a pond when it is dry. and it is a pond when it is filled with water  It remains a fish pond even when it has no fish in it, if it was intended to hold fish. That goes for both natural and artificial ponds.

  Here in Australia a lot of our natural ponds dry out in summer but are still referred to as a pond, when dry   Think of a swimming pool and you get the idea. Take out the water and it remains a swimming pool  Maybe in Europe ponds always have water in them. Not here.  

Stick to the facts, and get them right.

Personal comments are ignorant, and don't win arguments or influence me. 

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2 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

I will only reply to your last point, because in answering it, it answers all your other questions

No it doesn't.

How about the hypothetical patriot American? How does it answer that scenario?

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 I post because these stories are true. Every one of them.

  They are not delusions, the stories of a person needing /seeking attention, and the y are not wish fulfilment or based on some psychological need 

Wether you believe that or not is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you cannot support your claims in any way at all, and that modern knowledge strongly illustrates that your stories are best explained rationally by deception or delusion. Human nature makes those options the most likely regarding the information that you have provided.

From an outside perspective, they are best explained by delusion. From your personal perspective, perhaps otherwise. That's just how things are. 

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Being true and not made up it is important to publish them and let others know 

What others believe after reading them   is irrelevant 

I don't accept your word that they are true. I cannot find good reason to do so.

I don't know why you think your stories are important. I can't see how.  I think you are only enabling and gently coaxing others to follow your example. Lost people like Will only become more fundamental after having their fantasies validated by others like yourself. I can't see how your stories do any more than encourage others to lie more and make things up. I don't see that as important at all. The only advantage seems to be to yourself. 

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We all, including yourself, believe what makes us comfortable, but when faced with facts and evidences in our lives we cant ignore them  even if the y challenge our belief /disbelief and make us uncomfortable

That's the thing. The facts are available to us all and that's why the most likely conclusion doesn't change for a wild anecdote. 

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Ps my medical records show no hint or sign of anything which would cause delusions etc My psychological records and profile show a person very well adjusted, and able to discern reality from unreality 

Then it's obviously flawed.

You misinterpret studies all the time here but think your interpretation is correct because you are very verbose with your opinion. That's a clear example of how your abilities to judge are inadequate. I would say that in my opinion, your posting here proved that you cannot follow logic. The extraordinary claim discussion well illustrated to all that your idea of logic is skewed and that you are not rational in evaluation. 

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Sensible does not come into it and is a subjective term 

Of course it does, my context wasn't ambiguous.

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Some people will know from their own experiences that i am speaking a truth

Like minds tend to agree. 

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Those without experience have to decide whether to believe or disbelieve.

Or one can fall back in gathered knowledge and make an informed conclusion from actual factual information.

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Some, like you,  will be guided by a negative perception of religions,  faith  and belief, towards disbelief.

No evidence at all supports your claims. That offers a clear default position as we do have evidence that can explain it. 

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Others, with a more positive attitude towards faith/ belief, may be more inclined to believe 

There's a certain type of poster that lends your claims some personal support. Some have even wilder claims.

Not ever one of the academic posters who provide worthy contributions. Always the nutters, the fundamentals, the new agers, even those who sat hallucinogens are a path to God

The above pretty much speaks for itself doesn't it? 

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I can't speak for others or their stories. 

Mine are real and true.

 My wife and i would have been killed a number of times, if not for the direct intervention of this being.  (well we could only die once, but you know what i mean) 

As I said, wether you believe this is not is irrelevant to the supported information we do have. I honestly don't know if you believe your own stories or not, but I know I cannot see why I would accept them over the overwhelming evidence that insists that they are delusion to a rational person.

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4 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Thats one definition. It certainly is not the only one 

Maybe its a local or Australian thing but we have always talked about buying fish ponds, for example, meaning an artificial construct in which water, fish and plants can be placed.    Go to any advertisement and you will see these empty containers called fishponds.

Thus it is common usage, and by prior definition on UM, common usage is acceptable usage, here. 

So I am correct ,again :)   ps in australia we have dry seas which once contained water :)

 So to be clear. A fishpond is any structure, natural or artificial, intended to hold fish.  It is a pond when it is dry. and it is a pond when it is filled with water  It remains a fish pond even when it has no fish in it, if it was intended to hold fish. That goes for both natural and artificial ponds.

  Here in Australia a lot of our natural ponds dry out in summer but are still referred to as a pond, when dry   Think of a swimming pool and you get the idea. Take out the water and it remains a swimming pool  Maybe in Europe ponds always have water in them. Not here.  

Stick to the facts, and get them right.

Personal comments are ignorant, and don't win arguments or influence me. 

Then stick to the facts.

Your own link called it a pond liner. Slang doesn't negate definition.

Lol, and you tried to say I didn't investigate the situation well enough!

Now you can't admit to a simple error!!

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21 hours ago, psyche101 said:

Then stick to the facts.

Your own link called it a pond liner. Slang doesn't negate definition.

Lol, and you tried to say I didn't investigate the situation well enough!

Now you can't admit to a simple error!!

NUP the label said pond not pond liner.

I've given more  sources proving this to be  correct 

It is admittedly a matter of the vernacular, but we have in the past all had to accept that common usage establishes a correct usage on UM , These are sold as fishponds not as fishpond liners  

 

Fish ponds moulded by Dynaplas - made from polyethylene large and small  Australian Madelabeled /sold as a fishpond 

 

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image.jpeg.5f12a70257e85ac061de5f2e7cc2fd88.jpeglabelled/ sold as a fibreglass pond 

look for yourself

https://www.google.com/search?q=fishponds+for+sale+austrlia&tbm=isch&ved=2ahUKEwid_sbU1fHrAhXbCXIKHQPOD4EQ2-cCegQIABAA&oq=fishponds+for+sale+austrlia&gs_lcp=CgNpbWcQDDoECAAQQzoCCAA6BggAEAgQHjoECAAQGDoGCAAQChAYOgQIABAeUPAhWO9UYMd6aABwAHgAgAGfAogB-x-SAQYwLjMuMTWYAQCgAQGqAQtnd3Mtd2l6LWltZ8ABAQ&sclient=img&ei=8BxkX53GEtuTyAODnL-ICA&bih=969&biw=1903&rlz=1C1KAFA_enAU554AU554&hl=en

 

 

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21 hours ago, psyche101 said:

No it doesn't.

How about the hypothetical patriot American? How does it answer that scenario?

Wether you believe that or not is irrelevant.

What is relevant is that you cannot support your claims in any way at all, and that modern knowledge strongly illustrates that your stories are best explained rationally by deception or delusion. Human nature makes those options the most likely regarding the information that you have provided.

From an outside perspective, they are best explained by delusion. From your personal perspective, perhaps otherwise. That's just how things are. 

I don't accept your word that they are true. I cannot find good reason to do so.

I don't know why you think your stories are important. I can't see how.  I think you are only enabling and gently coaxing others to follow your example. Lost people like Will only become more fundamental after having their fantasies validated by others like yourself. I can't see how your stories do any more than encourage others to lie more and make things up. I don't see that as important at all. The only advantage seems to be to yourself. 

That's the thing. The facts are available to us all and that's why the most likely conclusion doesn't change for a wild anecdote. 

Then it's obviously flawed.

You misinterpret studies all the time here but think your interpretation is correct because you are very verbose with your opinion. That's a clear example of how your abilities to judge are inadequate. I would say that in my opinion, your posting here proved that you cannot follow logic. The extraordinary claim discussion well illustrated to all that your idea of logic is skewed and that you are not rational in evaluation. 

Of course it does, my context wasn't ambiguous.

 

Like minds tend to agree. 

Or one can fall back in gathered knowledge and make an informed conclusion from actual factual information.

No evidence at all supports your claims. That offers a clear default position as we do have evidence that can explain it. 

There's a certain type of poster that lends your claims some personal support. Some have even wilder claims.

Not ever one of the academic posters who provide worthy contributions. Always the nutters, the fundamentals, the new agers, even those who sat hallucinogens are a path to God

The above pretty much speaks for itself doesn't it? 

As I said, wether you believe this is not is irrelevant to the supported information we do have. I honestly don't know if you believe your own stories or not, but I know I cannot see why I would accept them over the overwhelming evidence that insists that they are delusion to a rational person.

It answered your first point 

A belief may be proven to add 10 years to your life That doesn't mean tha t everyone will choose the belief Other needs or beliefs may override it  BUT the y deserve to KNOW the facts In your specific example it would be interesting to see if the person believed that giving up his guns would mean not just 10 years more life but a happier healthy life as well AND if he did believe this would it change his mind and behaviors.

For some it would.

Others less so.

  America is  a different place and culture to Australia but (when we left the farm)  i gave up firearms i had held for almost 40 years without any ill effect and without any regrets. 

 

What i believe is irrelevant but the truth is not. 

I dont have any need or requirement to support a claim.

You have a choice to believe/disbelieve.  Your choice will affect all your future life in some ways.

From the perspective of a person without similar experience the y COULD be explained as delusion. Or attention seeking, or simple lying   Try temporarily adjusting your perspective :) 

Of course you dont believe them. Thus you cant see why they are important The y ARE true and it is that which makes them important to others. eg if i just tell a  made up story about aliens  landing, it has no importance BUT if i am telling a true story of what i experienced and aliens actually did land, then it has importance even if it cannot be proven.

  Sorry but you simply do NOT have the same facts and evidences available to me.

Its strange and humorous that my  university studies included logic I suspect it is not i who isn't thinking logically.

Logically explain why an ordinary claim does not require as much proof as an extraordinary one.

It will come back to acceptance and belief of the ordinary claim, not knowledge.   

lol your prejudices are showing  ie anyone who disgreewithyouonthis must be 

Always the nutters, the fundamentals, the new agers, even those who sat hallucinogens are a path to God 

and yet I am none of these, and to your great credit you have never treated me as if i was.

I am just an ordinary bloke who has been lucky enough to have some extraordinary experiences in my life 

I understand your pov and am not offended by it.

indeed you are one of the more polite posters, who debates the posts content  not the person, and I appreciate that 

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15 hours ago, stereologist said:

Not ponds. A pond is a body of water. Regardless of how you misuse the English language and other misuse the English language a pond is a body of water.

 

A pond is a body of water. No argument 

  In common usage ( and thus allowable on UM) a pond is also a construct which can hold water. Eg a dry pond remains a pond and an artificial pond is a pond, even before it contains water. 

We all learn a lot on Um, and i have learned new usages of words many times here.  

I am almost 70 years old, with an excellent vocab, and wide reading experience yet  I've never encountered the belief that a pond could ONLY be a body of water, before this  :)

 It is  like the idea that  a swimming pool can only be a swimming pool when it is filled with water.

You are entitled to your limited description, but my wider one is supported by widespread common use 

What would you call a pond that had dried out?  

Ps I would call it a dry pond 

 

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Dry pond

 

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There are two general types of stormwater ponds: wet ponds and dry ponds.

How can a pond be dry? A dry pond is designed to hold water for a short period of time before allowing the water to discharge to a nearby stream. Dry ponds control peak flows of runoff, help improve water quality and lessen the effects of erosion. Between rain events, a dry pond looks like a large, grassy low area. When it rains, the pond fills with water. They hold water for 48-72 hours to allow sediment and pollutants to settle out. Because they detain water for a brief time before allowing it to flow out, dry ponds are also called detention ponds.

https://www.fairfaxcounty.gov/soil-water-conservation/understanding-stormwater-ponds#:~:text=A dry pond is designed,lessen the effects of erosion.

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The first job is to remove the water plants including Elodea and water hawthorn Aponogeton distachyos which flowers all winter. Then remove the fish from the pond. To do this put the net in front of the fish and they will swim straight into it. Avoid touching the fish with your hands as dry hands will remove their scales. If touching them is unavoidable, do it quickly and wet your hands in the pond water first.

Any sludge from the bottom of the pond can be poured straight onto the garden because it's full of fish waste, 12 months worth of leaves and other detritus. All of this is beautiful nutrient for the garden.

Next the pond is pressure cleaned to remove what's left of the rubbish.

 

https://www.abc.net.au/gardening/factsheets/pond-cleaning/9427160

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15 hours ago, stereologist said:

Not ponds. A pond is a body of water. Regardless of how you misuse the English language and other misuse the English language a pond is a body of water.

 

lol What you are saying is basically; no matter how much evidence is provided, you are right, and everyone else is wrong.  Gotta love that. 

It is pretty normal ( especially in the young )

Once we learn something,  we are often  reluctant to have to discard it, expand on the knowledge  or  learn more diverse understandings . 

Thats one reason why things "learned " in childhood and adolescence, are hard to unlearn or  expand upon.  

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From @Mr Walker link post #78.

 

ARONA POND

Stocking fibreglass pond liners and concrete pond pieces, we've got you covered for all your pond needs.

 

Dictionary:

pond

/pɒnd/

noun

a small body of still water formed naturally or by artificial means.

 

Doesn't seem all that complicated to me. 

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1 hour ago, psyche101 said:

From @Mr Walker link post #78.

 

ARONA POND

Stocking fibreglass pond liners and concrete pond pieces, we've got you covered for all your pond needs.

 

Dictionary:

pond

/pɒnd/

noun

a small body of still water formed naturally or by artificial means.

 

Doesn't seem all that complicated to me. 

Thats a partial definition (not incorrect but incomplete)  Again, I refer you to the many quotes and other references where a pond is described as a natural or artificial construct to HOLD water.  It remains a pond even if it has no water in it . if you go to the website they stock pond liners, concrete parts for ponds, AND complete  fiberglass or plastic ponds. 

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Fibreglass Ponds and Water Features

Your fibreglass pond is the focal point of your garden,

Aquapro 65L MINI ROCK LOOK POND Made of Fibreglass,

 

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I don't even know why people are arguing about this, but a pond is often NOT filled with water. Indeed it may not even contain any water 

Whatever the case, to establish if life exists within it, requires investigation and evidence, not belief 

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8 minutes ago, Mr Walker said:

Thats a partial definition (not incorrect but incomplete)  Again, I refer you to the many quotes and other references where a pond is described as a natural or artificial construct to HOLD water.  It remains a pond even if it has no water in it . if you go to the website they stock pond liners, concrete parts for ponds, AND complete  fiberglass or plastic ponds. 

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Fibreglass Ponds and Water Features

Your fibreglass pond is the focal point of your garden,

Aquapro 65L MINI ROCK LOOK POND Made of Fibreglass,

 

Aquapro 65L MINI ROCK LOOK POND Made of Fibreglass, Real Looking, Natural Style

 

https://www.ebay.com.au/b/Fiberglass-Ponds-Water-Features/93632/bn_10589403

 

NEW Garden Water Feature Creek Bed Fibreglass Pond

 

NEW Garden Water Feature Creek Bed Fibreglass Pond

I don't even know why people are arguing about this, but a pond is often NOT filled with water. Indeed it may not even contain any water 

Whatever the case, to establish if life exists within it, requires investigation and evidence, not belief 

So a term used as slang by eBay exceeds the dictionary and even your original "proof"?

I don't know why either. Be definition, you are clearly wrong and are guilty of the lack investigation you accused me of. If you had, this discussion would not be happening.

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35 minutes ago, psyche101 said:

So a term used as slang by eBay exceeds the dictionary and even your original "proof"?

I don't know why either. Be definition, you are clearly wrong and are guilty of the lack investigation you accused me of. If you had, this discussion would not be happening.

"Common usage"  is accepted on UM and I've been criticised for denying this.

  it is more than slang, and in my locality a pond is almost NEVER a  permanent pool of water, because we dont have them.

  I have friends who live on Duckpond Lane near Port Lincoln  There is a large limestone depression in the ground which, when filled with water, sometimes  has ducks on it,  but 95% of the time it is dry. It is still referred to as the duck ponds. It is wrong to argue that a pond can ONLY be  filled with, or containing, water. It is the entire structure, rather than the water,  which forms the pond 

You're just cranky because you were fooled into an assumption. 

There are even dry "ponds"  on Mars which, a long time ago, contained water.

Over millions of years these ponds were sometimes overflowing with water and other times totally dry.

The y remained ponds, whether wet or dry.  

 

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15 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

lol What you are saying is basically; no matter how much evidence is provided, you are right, and everyone else is wrong.  Gotta love that. 

It is pretty normal ( especially in the young )

Once we learn something,  we are often  reluctant to have to discard it, expand on the knowledge  or  learn more diverse understandings . 

Thats one reason why things "learned " in childhood and adolescence, are hard to unlearn or  expand upon.  

You've provided no evidence. You showed a catch basin and falsely called it a pond.

Well done providing the evidence that you are posting your usual nonsense.

A pond is a body  of water. A dried up pond is no longer a pond. A pond liner is not a pond regardless of merchandising claims.

 

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12 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

"Common usage"  is accepted on UM and I've been criticised for denying this.

  it is more than slang, and in my locality a pond is almost NEVER a  permanent pool of water, because we dont have them.

  I have friends who live on Duckpond Lane near Port Lincoln  There is a large limestone depression in the ground which, when filled with water, sometimes  has ducks on it,  but 95% of the time it is dry. It is still referred to as the duck ponds. It is wrong to argue that a pond can ONLY be  filled with, or containing, water. It is the entire structure, rather than the water,  which forms the pond 

You're just cranky because you were fooled into an assumption. 

There are even dry "ponds"  on Mars which, a long time ago, contained water.

Over millions of years these ponds were sometimes overflowing with water and other times totally dry.

The y remained ponds, whether wet or dry.  

 

Just more effort to misuse terms to support whatever loony idea you had to start with.

It's just more junk you use to spam a thread showing your inability to think.

A pond is a body of water. A basin intermittently filled with water is an intermittent pond. When dry it ceases to be a pond.

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1 hour ago, XenoFish said:

A walker thread in a different section of UM. What the what???

The infection is spreading.

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12 hours ago, stereologist said:

Just more effort to misuse terms to support whatever loony idea you had to start with.

It's just more junk you use to spam a thread showing your inability to think.

A pond is a body of water. A basin intermittently filled with water is an intermittent pond. When dry it ceases to be a pond.

lol You are entitled to your opinion.

I wonder what you would ask to buy if you went to buy one of these from a hardware shop.  I've never ever heard any of the forms ( fibreglass plastic or concrete ) referred to as anything OTHER than a fishpond. So when the fishpond has gone dry what do you say?  In my experience almost everyone would say "The fishpond is dry"  And why are dry natural ponds referred to as dry ponds, if they cease to be a pond when dry? 

And regardless of your opinion, you are being rude and ignorant, rather than trying to prove me wrong. 

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10 hours ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

The infection is spreading.

Well. if some people didn't waste their time arguing completely false opinions, which can easily be shown to be wrong, I wouldn't have to spend so much time  correcting them :) 

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I must admit,i was enjoying the first 2 pages of this thread,i like hearing about mw's stories.

If mw has these amazing powers,it would be a good story if he flew to one of the um detractors houses,and posted details of the inside of the house,what the person was wearing,doing, conversations etc.

It may not be seen as proof,but it would be interesting.

3pages talking about the definition of a pond,not so interesting.

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6 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

lol You are entitled to your opinion.

I wonder what you would ask to buy if you went to buy one of these from a hardware shop.  I've never ever heard any of the forms ( fibreglass plastic or concrete ) referred to as anything OTHER than a fishpond. So when the fishpond has gone dry what do you say?  In my experience almost everyone would say "The fishpond is dry"  And why are dry natural ponds referred to as dry ponds, if they cease to be a pond when dry? 

And regardless of your opinion, you are being rude and ignorant, rather than trying to prove me wrong. 

You are rude and ignorant.

Spamming this thread with the ridiculous and purposeful misuse of the English language shows your rudeness and ignorance.

A pond is a body of water. I realize that might be too difficult a concept for you to understand.  Intermittent ponds are common in many parts of the world.

Here is more ignorance being displayed. Calling a pond liner a fishpond is such poor thinking. When filled with water to make an artificial pond many people do not push fish in t hem, but use them for aquatic plants.

Now if you do place fish in the pond, when it has water in it, and allow the water to evaporate or drain through holes, then the fish die.

I would not say "The fishpond is dry".  I'd say "I need a pond and new fish." I'll turn this into a pond again once I discover why the pond went away."

And if it too tough for you being shown wrong yet again then you should go out and buy yourself some big boy pants and buck up.

A pond is a body of water.

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