Gromdor Posted August 31, 2020 #176 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, aztek said: and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite, democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it, it has 0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is, what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected, and if biden, it will still continue,. Maybe because the riots aren't about Democrat/Republican politics but a deeper unaddressed issue? I mean we already elected "Law and Order" Trump as president- what magical ability is he going to get to stop it by being reelected that he doesn't possess now? He's tried the Fed thug approach in Portland already and all they ended up doing was beating moms and vets. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 31, 2020 #177 Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, aztek said: and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite, democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it, it has 0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is, what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected, and if biden, it will still continue,. and I stand by what I said comprehension isn't yours? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #178 Share Posted August 31, 2020 5 minutes ago, lightly said: and I stand by what I said comprehension isn't yours? should i answerer this as a republican, or as a liberal would? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Jerry Gallo Posted August 31, 2020 #179 Share Posted August 31, 2020 31 minutes ago, Gromdor said: No. We know who did the shooting in cop involved incidents. This one we don't even know who killed him yet. Unless, you are implying cops shot him- which you are free to do as people are already assigning culprits without knowing who truly did it. Those were the people I was addressing anyways. As you certainly know, who is generally far less relevant than why - cop or no cop. In the least, would just be nice to have both before the world melts down over it. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 31, 2020 #180 Share Posted August 31, 2020 21 minutes ago, aztek said: should i answerer this as a republican, or as a liberal would? Both if you would please. It would be interesting. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #181 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 minute ago, lightly said: Both if you would please. It would be interesting. no, you do not get it both ways, either or. Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 31, 2020 #182 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Fair enough 1 minute ago, aztek said: no, you do not get it both ways, either or. Ok.. thanks ! let's hear it as a liberal ! Q: "comprehension isn't yours? ". .(strong point) 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2020 #183 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 20 hours ago, Setton said: More precisely: Far right white nationalist extremist Trump supporter killed near Portland protests. More precisely: Far right wing white nationalist extremist Trump supporter killed murdered near Portland protests. Fixed it for you. Edited August 31, 2020 by OverSword 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Duke Wellington Posted August 31, 2020 #184 Share Posted August 31, 2020 49 minutes ago, aztek said: and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite, democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it, it has 0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is, what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected, and if biden, it will still continue,. Calls have started in the Democrat party for Biden to oppose the rioting because it is damaging them in the polls. Seems some of them have sense even if its not the leadership. The accuracy of the polls is all over the place at the moment. Because of the heightened tensions and strong feeling present, then people arent disclosing if they are pro-Trump when asked because they cannot be bothered with the grief they will get. Maybe this is why the polls were so off with his first win? This time its even worse lol. 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #185 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 40 minutes ago, lightly said: Fair enough Ok.. thanks ! let's hear it as a liberal ! Q: "comprehension isn't yours? ". .(strong point) sorry i tried, but i can't, i really tried, i went over posts of our liberal friends, tried to copy paste their liberal irrelevant tantrums, without giving them a credit, but i just can't put it under my name, that hate and intolerance i can't sign for. so i'll answer as a republican would; it is your right to think so, but i disagree, the protests were never about cops political affiliation, no one ever brought it up before. so it is 100% democrats fault, not every single democrat, but democratic leadership. in those cities that are burning, i thought that would go without saying, but i guess it has to be explained now. Edited August 31, 2020 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
Gromdor Posted August 31, 2020 #186 Share Posted August 31, 2020 22 minutes ago, OverSword said: More precisely: Far right white nationalist extremist Trump supporter killed murdered near Portland protests. Fixed it for you. So self defense has been ruled out before we even have a suspect or motive? Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2020 #187 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 2 minutes ago, Gromdor said: So self defense has been ruled out before we even have a suspect or motive? No motive? Okay. It's safe to say the motive was somebody didn't agree with his politics. Edited August 31, 2020 by OverSword 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #188 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 25 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said: Calls have started in the Democrat party for Biden to oppose the rioting because it is damaging them in the polls. Seems some of them have sense even if its not the leadership. The accuracy of the polls is all over the place at the moment. Because of the heightened tensions and strong feeling present, then people arent disclosing if they are pro-Trump when asked because they cannot be bothered with the grief they will get. Maybe this is why the polls were so off with his first win? This time its even worse lol. kamala said these riots will continue, if trump wins, they will still continue if biden wins, this is people's movement which is pretty clear to me, they are not controlling it, "the movement" controls them, and it has nothing to do with people, do we want someone who has no control to be in charge??? i have little doubts, soon enough trump grows tired, and sends NG, and DHS, it may not be legal, but people will welcome law and order, and he'll get off. Edited August 31, 2020 by aztek 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #189 Share Posted August 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, OverSword said: No motive? Okay. It's safe to say the motive was somebody didn't agree with his politics. wouldn't it be a hate crime? 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2020 #190 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2020 #191 Share Posted August 31, 2020 18 hours ago, Setton said: The man who was killed was a member of Patriot Prayer. You think they stand for what's right? Demonizing a group you actually know nothing about? Is that right? You can read on Wikipedia where it says they are "far right" but what does that mean? Does supporting the police, supporting law and order, having patriotic feelings, make someone "far right"? I think to accurately name a group as "far right" you would have to prove separatism and/or a goal to overthrow the government. Being on the right does not automatically make someone or a group actually far right. Throw a label around enough and rob it of it's meaning. 6 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 31, 2020 #192 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 1 hour ago, aztek said: sorry i tried, but i can't, i really tried, i went over posts of our liberal friends, tried to copy paste their liberal irrelevant tantrums, without giving them a credit, but i just can't put it under my name, that hate and intolerance i can't sign for. so i'll answer as a republican would; it is your right to think so, but i disagree, the protests were never about cops political affiliation, no one ever brought it up before. so it is 100% democrats fault, not every single democrat, but democratic leadership. in those cities that are burning, i thought that would go without saying, but i guess it has to be explained now. Mhm^ Fair enough i know the protests weren't political in the beginning....but they're getting more so? The protests were ,and still should be, about Police Reform. Police should be peace keepers. When they arrest someone they should ,of course, maintain their and the public's safety BUT they need to use the least amount of force necessary to get the job done. Inflicting pain on someone will cause them to RESPOND....it's human nature.. Twisting the arm more will not convince the person to "STOP RESISTING" !!! Many of the accepted procedures are idiotic and counter productive. And how many cases of two and three cops dealing with one unarmed man resulting in his death does it take to prove a case for excessive force ? Hello? Edited August 31, 2020 by lightly 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 31, 2020 #193 Share Posted August 31, 2020 1 hour ago, Gromdor said: So self defense has been ruled out before we even have a suspect or motive? I Object ! ( oop, sorry. ) Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #194 Share Posted August 31, 2020 7 minutes ago, lightly said: Mhm^ Fair enough i know the protests weren't political in the beginning....but they're getting more so? The protests were ,and still should be, about Police Reform. Police should be peace keepers. When they arrest someone they should ,of course, maintain their and the public's safety BUT they need to use the least amount of force necessary to get the job done. Inflicting pain on someone will cause them to RESPOND....it's human nature.. Twisting the arm more will not convince the person to "STOP RESISTING" !!! Many of the accepted procedures are idiotic and counter productive. And how many cases of two and three cops dealing with one unarmed man resulting in his death does it take to prove a case for excessive force ? Hello? well i can't argue with most of that, yea use of lethal force by cops sometimes is unjustified, even use of force is not always justified, we do need police reform, but do you honestly think rioting, burning cities, will make police change their ways? it actually will, but not for the better, that is if did believe the riots were about that, but i just do not buy it for a second, it is not about police, or race, it is only about power. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2020 #195 Share Posted August 31, 2020 What is Patriot Prayer? @Setton Quote The group became a prominent presence in Portland in the summer of 2017, when Gibson organized a large rally in the city less than a week after a White supremacist fatally stabbed two men who had come to the defense of two Black teenagers – including one wearing a Muslim head-covering – on a light-rail train. The defendant, Jeremy Christian, who was sentenced to two consecutive life sentences earlier this year, had attended a Patriot Prayer rally several months before, but was kicked out by organizers for flashing Nazi hand signs. Link Does that sound like a far right group? No it does not. Sounds like what happened is that someone was murdered for no good reason because people didn't share the same political beliefs. Such a waste of a human being, and a good commentary of the state of the current far left protests. People celebrated this murder in the streets right after it happened which reflects a moral bankruptcy of some of the left protesters. 4 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 31, 2020 #196 Share Posted August 31, 2020 2 hours ago, aztek said: and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite, democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it, it has 0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is, what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected, and if biden, it will still continue,. Correct...know why? Because they are ,at heart, demonstrations for police reform. And equal justice. They are,currently, being politicized by Politics, and the press loves the carnage and footage. But...the election will end that. 3 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #197 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, lightly said: Correct...know why? Because they are ,at heart, demonstrations for police reform. And equal justice. They are,currently, being politicized by Politics, and the press loves the carnage and footage. But...the election will end that. lol, no, just no 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
lightly Posted August 31, 2020 #198 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, aztek said: lol, no, just no Comprehension problems again? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
aztek Posted August 31, 2020 #199 Share Posted August 31, 2020 Just now, lightly said: Comprehension problems again? nope, declined relevance at your end. and now you showing lack of comprehension yourself we already have equal justice, if you want to protest against police, why burn businesses that have nothing to do with police? why destroy landmarks, and get investors leave your city? why destroy quality of life of people who have nothing to do with police or justice? 1 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
+OverSword Posted August 31, 2020 #200 Share Posted August 31, 2020 (edited) 10 minutes ago, lightly said: Correct...know why? Because they are ,at heart, demonstrations for police reform. And equal justice. They are,currently, being politicized by Politics, and the press loves the carnage and footage. But...the election will end that. Why will the election end that? Will electing the man that wrote the crime bill responsible for privatizing prisons and sending half the black men in the country to prison sound like a remedy? Hmmm...I don't think so. Edited August 31, 2020 by OverSword 3 2 Link to comment Share on other sites More sharing options...
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