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Trump supporter shot and killed in Portland

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Will Do

 

Covid is not the disease we should be worried about. 

 

 

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quillius
2 minutes ago, seanjo said:

And don't you find that ridiculous?

I thought that at first, then remembered how irrational they are about a number of other things that it began to surprise me a little less.

 

I hope the US sorts this out......you should not have allowed the children to have this tantrum for so long......eventually the grown ups need to step in and take control of the house again...

 

I am shocked at how many people are so easily manipulated by the media and powers that be......

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Gromdor
8 minutes ago, seanjo said:

And don't you find that ridiculous?

Personally?  Yes.

All lives should matter and the judging should be left to the courts.

But in practice people will find faults in those they are predisposed towards and seek to devalue their lives.  It's the main issue with BLM.  Every time police kill someone people post all the victims past crimes and history as if it lends justification for the killing.

But here we are with: I heard that one of the victims of the Kenosha shooting was a pedophile- as if that that life had less value and justified the shooting. 

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Setton
5 hours ago, Myles said:

Those seem more far left.

Then you really are clueless.

I suggest a dictionary as a starting point.

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Will Do
1 minute ago, Setton said:

Then you really are clueless.

I suggest a dictionary as a starting point.

 

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UPDATE.... 

The major of Portland has changed his tune about protesters. Previously, they where a legitimate part of US politics, and there was no such thing as rioters and looters. They just didn't happen. And he ordered his police not to arrest them. Not of course there was anyone to arrest, because they didn't exist. 

Then in the last 24 hours, they turned up at his home. Rest assured that there where PLENTY of police there to protect him. 

Nevertheless, he changed his tune, and ordered STate police into the city to help defend him. I mean.. to help defend the people. 

And the state police have refused to come, on the grounds that when they arrest people, they are immediately released. 

Oh dear.. I guess this means that Ted Wheeler is on his own. Unless... he wants to eat humble pie, and accept Federal police assistance from Donald Trump, who's assistance he most rudely refused a few days ago. 

It looks like its unraveling for the Democrats ? 

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Setton
2 hours ago, Will do said:

 

Eye for an eye and the whole world goes blind? 

You literally just justified his attacking protestors with 'they started it'...

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Setton
4 hours ago, Will do said:

 

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Missed.

 

 

 

2 minutes ago, Will do said:

 

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Got a new favourite insult to troll with have we?

I'm sure I'd be devastated if it was the slightest bit intelligible.

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Will Do
5 minutes ago, Setton said:

Got a new favourite insult to troll with have we?

I'm sure I'd be devastated if it was the slightest bit intelligible.

 

Well then Dennis the Menace, stop loading up your pea shooter with insults and address what we're discussing. 

 

 

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Setton
13 minutes ago, Will do said:

 

Well then Dennis the Menace, stop loading up your pea shooter with insults and address what we're discussing. 

 

 

Have done, repeatedly. Not my problem if you or @OverSword can't/won't read my responses.

If you think I've insulted anyone, the report button is easy to find.

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OverSword
Just now, Setton said:

Have done, repeatedly. Not my problem if you or @OverSword can't/won't read my responses.

If you think I've insulted anyone, the report button is easy to find.

Awww, look.  You miss me. :wub:

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Zaphod222
On 8/31/2020 at 8:10 AM, docyabut2 said:

I think it was a antifa that shot Trump`s voter :( 

Pretty good guess. I hope someone starts investigating the funding and logistics for "Antifa" (don´t really know what the "Anti" is doing in their name, they look and behave like "Fa").

All these coordinated gatherings at different locations, the molotov cocktails, the masks, the travel expenses... somebody is lending a helping hand.

 

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Setton
1 hour ago, OverSword said:

Awww, look.  You miss me. :wub:

Only if you keep moving :)

 

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Robotic Jew
2 hours ago, OverSword said:

According to a post right after the one you quoted it wasn't even self defense. The guy that didn't die said that what happened the first shot hit his can of bear spray on his hip setting it off the second shot killed his friend.  

How was he supposed to know it was only bear spray? It could've been some kind of deadly weapon or a precursor to a more violent attack. If a man can be shot 7 times in the back because he had a knife in his car and it's "justified" then surely this is as well. He was protecting himself from a potential threat. 

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OverSword
12 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

How was he supposed to know it was only bear spray? It could've been some kind of deadly weapon or a precursor to a more violent attack. If a man can be shot 7 times in the back because he had a knife in his car and it's "justified" then surely this is as well. He was protecting himself from a potential threat. 

the spray wasn't in his hand it was on the belt clip.  The shooter walked up behind them and attacked.  Have you been paying any attention or watched the video of the murder?  This has nothing to do with a guy following the rules of what to do if you want to get shot in the back by the police, this was a guy walking down the street when a psycho was told he supported trump and decided to kill him.  It was no different than if someone in 1930's Germany saw a jew walking down the street and shot him for being Jewish.

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Myles
35 minutes ago, Robotic Jew said:

How was he supposed to know it was only bear spray? It could've been some kind of deadly weapon or a precursor to a more violent attack. If a man can be shot 7 times in the back because he had a knife in his car and it's "justified" then surely this is as well. He was protecting himself from a potential threat. 

Is that really what you are going with?  

 

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ian hacktorp
1 hour ago, Robotic Jew said:

How was he supposed to know it was only bear spray? It could've been some kind of deadly weapon or a precursor to a more violent attack. If a man can be shot 7 times in the back because he had a knife in his car and it's "justified" then surely this is as well. He was protecting himself from a potential threat. 

Hard to believe you need to have this pointed out to you, but the Portland Antifa shooter is not a law-enforcement officer.  He never shouted any order to drop a weapon.  He also didn't try non-lethal force, like a taser.  He had no identifying badge or uniform.

Trying to compare the Portland Antifa shooter to a police officer is shockingly foolish.  Why would you even try?

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3 hours ago, Robotic Jew said:

How was he supposed to know it was only bear spray? It could've been some kind of deadly weapon or a precursor to a more violent attack. If a man can be shot 7 times in the back because he had a knife in his car and it's "justified" then surely this is as well. He was protecting himself from a potential threat. 

And I call out BS!  The way that the Left is twisting everything is something right out of 1984.  To even entertain such a thought shows a lack of awareness and common sense.  Even ‘comparing’ the two is inappropriate.  It makes a joke of law and order.  Which the Left is intent on doing.

 

“War is Peace, Freedom is Slavery, Ignorance is Strength”

 

These words are the official slogans of the Party, and are inscribed in massive letters on the white pyramid of the Ministry of Truth, as Winston observes in Book One, Chapter I. Because it is introduced so early in the novel, this creed serves as the reader’s first introduction to the idea of doublethink. By weakening the independence and strength of individuals’ minds and forcing them to live in a constant state of propaganda-induced fear, the Party is able to force its subjects to accept anything it decrees, even if it is entirely illogical—for instance, the Ministry of Peace is in charge of waging war, the Ministry of Love is in charge of political torture, and the Ministry of Truth is in charge of doctoring history books to reflect the Party’s ideology.

 

That the national slogan of Oceania is equally contradictory is an important testament to the power of the Party’s mass campaign of psychological control. In theory, the Party is able to maintain that “War Is Peace” because having a common enemy keeps the people of Oceania united. “Freedom Is Slavery” because, according to the Party, the man who is independent is doomed to fail. By the same token, “Slavery Is Freedom,” because the man subjected to the collective will is free from danger and want. “Ignorance Is Strength” because the inability of the people to recognize these contradictions cements the power of the authoritarian regime.

 

https://www.sparknotes.com/lit/1984/quotes/

 

When I listen to Biden over the last couple days, this is what comes to mind.  I’m pretty sure, that I’m not the only one that sees this.

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Manwon Lender
9 hours ago, Myles said:

I noticed too.   He/she mentioned "both sides" in order to show he thinks both sides are wrong, but then he mostly focuses on "the backwoods individuals".    Even though most of the killing, destruction, looting and vandalism has been done by the ghetto trash leftists.   

I said both sides because that is exactly what I meant, as far back woods individuals you obviously no nothing about the area at all. You say that everything is the lefts fault,  LOL, your mind is very small and you do not want to really face reality. I personally think anyone being killed is a terrible thing, but unlike you I am not blinded and sucked into some void where my mind can only work in a single manner, and thinking has all but stopped. The individual killed in Portland was a member of the Patriot Prayer Group, which is Right Winged Extremist Group, just like Antifa is Left Wing Extremist group.

He was there for the same purpose as Antifa and that was violence, what lead up to the shooting we don't know, and who caused it doesn't matter, because it was senseless. Both of these groups are notorious for sponcering violence in Portland and neither group is better than the other. While the Patriot Prayer Group is affiliated with the Neo-Nazi group the Proud boys, Antifa is affiliated with Black Lives Matter which is worst, well I will leave that up to you, unlike you I support neither if those groups. Read the links below and just maybe you will learn something, just maybe.:rolleyes:

Here is. Link from the South Poverty Law Center that discusses the affiliation between the Patriot Prayer Group and the Proud boys.     https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/10/15/patriot-prayer-again-brings-violence-portland-flash-march-downtown-rounding-out-weekend-far

This link talks about the shooting

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/08/31/what-we-know-about-patriot-prayer

 Last link covers the fact that it is time to put an end to the dangerous dodge of both-Siderism.

https://www.splcenter.org/news/2020/09/01/its-time-stop-deadly-rhetoric-and-dangerous-dodge-both-siderism

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Manwon Lender
9 hours ago, ian hacktorp said:

Is there any exaggeration too obnoxious for you to make?  Apparently not:

Bear Spray vs Pepper Spray: What’s the Difference?

https://www.selfdefenseninja.com/bear-spray-vs-pepper-spray-whats-difference/

Really, you're just so full of BS.

I am no more full of BS than you, however, things have changed concerning Bear Spray in the last 25 years since I bought any. You are right it is no longer as strong as it use to be, I should have researched it before I made my comments, because I was wrong. You see, unlike you I will admit when I am wrong, which is something you are incapable of doing. One thing is far certain though when it comes to obvious exaggerations and out right lies no one on this forum can beat you, because you are the King of BS.:)

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Manwon Lender
10 hours ago, OverSword said:

He wasn't shot for bear spray.  He was shot because of the perception that he supported trump.  Clearly the spray and the shots happen simultaneously.  

Yes, he was just carrying the Bear Spray in case he encountered a Bear in down town Portland. I think his death was a terrible thing, and there was no excuse for it. But it can not be over looked that he was a member of Patriot Prayer, which is affiliated with the Proud Boys, and these Groups are no better than Antifa so he wasn't there to just watch. You and many others keep using the words Trump Supporter, and while that is true Patriot Prayer and the Proud Boys are Right Wing Extremist Groups also, and yes like everywhere else these Right Wing Extremist Groups are Trump Suppoters. However, none of this excuses the mans death, just thought the part you and others keep leaving out should be said he was not a innocent bystander or an innocent Trump Supporter minding his own business at all like many of you keeping repeating.

Link what you need to know about Patriot Prayer.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2020/08/31/what-we-know-about-patriot-prayer

Here it talks about Patriot Prayer going fully armed to Portland Rallies.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/07/25/another-charlottesville-threats-violence-loom-over-upcoming-portland-proud-boys-patriot

Here it talks about Patriot Prayer bring violence to Portland.

https://www.splcenter.org/hatewatch/2018/10/15/patriot-prayer-again-brings-violence-portland-flash-march-downtown-rounding-out-weekend-far

 

 

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@Manwon Lender I believe I have clearly stated in this thread more than once that I am against counter protesters creating more chaos for the police to deal with and risking just this kind of thing. Regardless they are not far right with designs to overthrow the government. Antifa on the other hand does.  Also, Tiny, the most famous proudboy is Polynesian. So much for racism and white supremacy.

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This guy wasn't armed.  He wasn't doing anything except walking and he was EXECUTED for his political leanings.  Those who died in Kenosha were physically attacking the 17-year-old.  Those on the Left who see this as a justified, tit for tat kind of shooting need to remember that once this little party gets started in earnest, there will be NO going back.  Innocents, including family members and friends - who had no part at all in the protest - will likely be targeted.  That's just how blood feuds unfold.  A week into such a conflict and people won't be safe outside their homes.  Antifa/BLM are already showing up in neighborhoods demanding that the citizens support them or else.  

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OverSword
38 minutes ago, Manwon Lender said:

I am no more full of BS than you, however, things have changed concerning Bear Spray in the last 25 years since I bought any. You are right it is no longer as strong as it use to be, I should have researched it before I made my comments, because I was wrong. You see, unlike you I will admit when I am wrong, which is something you are incapable of doing. One thing is far certain though when it comes to obvious exaggerations and out right lies no one on this forum can beat you, because you are the King of BS.:)

Burn!!! But please note he didn’t have to admit anything because he was right. :whistle:

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