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quillius
45 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

I'd say you would have to come live here then to believe it.  If anything Americans are proud of their attempts to skirt the law- be it skipping paying taxes, not wearing masks, not serving people we dislike wedding cakes, etc. 

We even have the whole Second Amendment thing so we can rebel against the government if they get too uppity with their laws.

that is true I do not live there, I do however consider America a leading civilised nation, which in itself implies a majority do indeed follow the law.

Skipping taxes, not wearing masks and not serving wedding cake (:)) I do not consider major avoidance of law. Although I do appreciate not paying taxes is seen as and dealt with as a very serious crime.

In general I do not see people resisting arrest and the whole narrative that seems to be swallowed up that if you are  innocent then you are in danger of being killed by a police officer is non-sensical when applying the facts and statistics. The officer in such a case is at far greater risk than the individual, yet this illusion of fear that's being created pushes a reaction by individuals to not comply and it is the very thing that endangers them. 

 

edit to add; so I think the real problem is the narrative/false perception (cause) being pushed (mainly for political agendas) is the problem that needs solving which in turn solves the 'reaction' of people not obeying the law.

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OverSword
On 9/6/2020 at 2:24 PM, Tatetopa said:

Neither. 

Are you suggesting that all people who protest for social change or justice are associated with thugs and common criminals because they were in the same place?

I am of the opinion that if protesters don't make an attempt to keep others marching with them from being violent and allow their protest to be hijacked then they are participants in the violence.

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Gromdor
31 minutes ago, Myles said:

The overwhelming majority of Americans follow the rule of law.   There are always exceptions and with 330 million people, those exceptions will seem like allot, but they are not.  

Outside of teenage friends, I have never known anyone who resisted arrest.  

We don't.  Look at out president- he routinely and publicly does law violations regularly.  Using other peoples music for his campaign rallies without permission or paying royalties for example.  Redirecting assets from his Foundation for personal use as another.   Or even the whole "Karen" thing. 

 

Ask Andthen or any Second Amendment person whether or not they will surrender their weapons if we made a law banning them.  They won't- Obedience is just not in an American's nature. 

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Gromdor
10 minutes ago, quillius said:

that is true I do not live there, I do however consider America a leading civilised nation, which in itself implies a majority do indeed follow the law.

Skipping taxes, not wearing masks and not serving wedding cake (:)) I do not consider major avoidance of law. Although I do appreciate not paying taxes is seen as and dealt with as a very serious crime.

In general I do not see people resisting arrest and the whole narrative that seems to be swallowed up that if you are  innocent then you are in danger of being killed by a police officer is non-sensical when applying the facts and statistics. The officer in such a case is at far greater risk than the individual, yet this illusion of fear that's being created pushes a reaction by individuals to not comply and it is the very thing that endangers them. 

 

edit to add; so I think the real problem is the narrative/false perception (cause) being pushed (mainly for political agendas) is the problem that needs solving which in turn solves the 'reaction' of people not obeying the law.

The whole not obeying thing is so ingrained in our Constitution and society that we (supposedly) have legal safeguards guaranteed by our Bill of Rights stopping cops from killing us.  It's those safeguards being ignored that is the cause of the riots. 

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quillius
1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

The whole not obeying thing is so ingrained in our Constitution and society that we (supposedly) have legal safeguards guaranteed by our Bill of Rights stopping cops from killing us.  It's those safeguards being ignored that is the cause of the riots. 

as I said I think the laws are also there to stop people killing cops and more importantly each other, yet there will be a small minority who break the law and an even smaller fraction of cops that also break the law....I think cops that do are such a small number that its insignificant in comparison to the 'real' problems killing people especially black youths......

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Gromdor
9 minutes ago, OverSword said:

I am of the opinion that if protesters don't make an attempt to keep others marching with them from being violent and allow their protest to be hijacked then they are participants in the violence.

The left feels the same way about Trump supporters and White Supremacists.  This is still going on: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/09/03/right-wing-groups-plan-more-trump-caravans-proud-boys-rally-for-portland/#7cd6b2801114

The last few killings involved Trump supporters as well.

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OverSword
1 minute ago, Gromdor said:

The left feels the same way about Trump supporters and White Supremacists.  This is still going on: https://www.forbes.com/sites/jemimamcevoy/2020/09/03/right-wing-groups-plan-more-trump-caravans-proud-boys-rally-for-portland/#7cd6b2801114

The last few killings involved Trump supporters as well.

Did I name a political affiliation or even specify current protesting?

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Gromdor
3 minutes ago, OverSword said:

Did I name a political affiliation or even specify current protesting?

Very true.  I was merely agreeing with you, while pointing out a side that seems to be overlooked.

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Myles
1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

 

 

Ask Andthen or any Second Amendment person whether or not they will surrender their weapons if we made a law banning them.  They won't- Obedience is just not in an American's nature. 

That is somewhat true.   I think most would comply with the law.   Although I think many, like myself would hide some guns if they were confiscating them.   

I assume you see the rioters and looters in the same light, right?   Not obeying the laws.   

Even in all these cases, it isn't even close to the majority of Americans.   Unless of course you include people who go over the speed limit or jaywalk.  

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Buzz_Light_Year
1 hour ago, Gromdor said:

We don't.  Look at out president- he routinely and publicly does law violations regularly.  Using other peoples music for his campaign rallies without permission or paying royalties for example.  Redirecting assets from his Foundation for personal use as another.   Or even the whole "Karen" thing. 

 

Ask Andthen or any Second Amendment person whether or not they will surrender their weapons if we made a law banning them.  They won't- Obedience is just not in an American's nature. 

You do not have to follow unconstitutional laws and banning guns would be unconstitutional.

If the we in your statement wants to accomplish this then by all means you're welcome to sponsor an amendment to the Constitution that allows it, otherwise.................

The same Constitution that guarantees your freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the rights of citizens to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures is the same Constitution that allows the right to bear arms.

The Bill of Rights isn't the government granting us these rights but limiting the power of the federal government from encroaching on these inalienable rights which are considered "natural rights".

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Gromdor
35 minutes ago, Buzz_Light_Year said:

You do not have to follow unconstitutional laws and banning guns would be unconstitutional.

If the we in your statement wants to accomplish this then by all means you're welcome to sponsor an amendment to the Constitution that allows it, otherwise.................

The same Constitution that guarantees your freedom of speech, freedom of religion or the rights of citizens to be secure in their persons, houses, papers, and effects, against unreasonable searches and seizures is the same Constitution that allows the right to bear arms.

The Bill of Rights isn't the government granting us these rights but limiting the power of the federal government from encroaching on these inalienable rights which are considered "natural rights".

Exactly.  My point is that obedience is not the American way.  I merely used the gun control example because it is the easiest for people on this forum to understand and agree with. 

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docyabut2

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lara-logan-antifa-violence-political-entities

There is Marxist literature and philosophy that goes back to the 1920s in this country talking about how to use race and sow division and divide people in order to destroy this country and that’s exactly what’s happening right before our eyes.”

 

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President-Elect Acidhead

Stay off the train tracks

 

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Raptor Witness
20 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

https://www.foxnews.com/us/lara-logan-antifa-violence-political-entities

There is Marxist literature and philosophy that goes back to the 1920s in this country talking about how to use race and sow division and divide people in order to destroy this country and that’s exactly what’s happening right before our eyes.”

 

I don’t get a sense of “Marxist” anything in the United States. A wee bit of socialism, perhaps, but nothing like they have in Europe or Canada.

What’s happening is, The People are opening their eyes to inequality, and it’s a reasonable argument.

We’ve had racial tensions flareup since the 60’s, and we didn’t turn to communism.

No one is buying your argument of hocus-pocus nonsense, fed by real communists, and a delusion of the facts. You must be supporting the “I can’t lose unless it’s rigged candidate.”

The real communists will pay dearly when this election is over. 

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docyabut2
10 hours ago, Raptor Witness said:

I don’t get a sense of “Marxist” anything in the United States. A wee bit of socialism, perhaps, but nothing like they have in Europe or Canada.

What’s happening is, The People are opening their eyes to inequality, and it’s a reasonable argument.

We’ve had racial tensions flareup since the 60’s, and we didn’t turn to communism.

No one is buying your argument of hocus-pocus nonsense, fed by real communists, and a delusion of the facts. You must be supporting the “I can’t lose unless it’s rigged candidate.”

The real communists will pay dearly when this election is over. 

https://www.foxnews.com/media/communist-manifesto-history-of-socialism-marx-engels

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President-Elect Acidhead

There must be something in the water 

There must be something about your daughter,

she said.

 

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President-Elect Acidhead

She did nothing wrong

 

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South Alabam
16 minutes ago, acidhead said:

She did nothing wrong

 

A few drugs short of a Picasso..

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President-Elect Acidhead

Pouring gasoline on the fire

Encouraging violentl behavior

 

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RoofGardener
7 hours ago, acidhead said:

There must be something in the water 

There must be something about your daughter,

she said.

 

Woman ??? 

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RoofGardener
4 hours ago, acidhead said:

Pouring gasoline on the fire

Encouraging violentl behavior

 

WE need something different, and we need it now. 

But we havn't GOT anything. But we're going to ditch CS gas ANYWAY. 

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docyabut2
2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

https://www.telegraphherald.com/news/national_world/article_d509b7fd-9dc6-540b-9b97-2bb05896559f.html\

 

Lawyers for ex-cops raise George Floyd's history of crime, drug use

to add trying to put this report on a topic

Another is seizing on Floyd’s medical issues and addiction, saying he likely died from fentanyl, not a knee on his neck.

Floyd put  fentanyl hiding in his mouth'

they only thing is medical doctors, can`t release a person`s  medical records on what really killed them

 

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docyabut2
2 hours ago, docyabut2 said:

not the real facts in the grand juries , typically of twenty-three people, selected to examine the validity of an accusation before trial  of these cases, and the justice of  these cases   

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