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Trump supporter shot and killed in Portland

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37 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

The term `progressive` is taken straight from the works of Carl Marx. No one questions what it means, where it comes from, or points out it is a Communist term which reveals and identifies those using it as Communists.

Didnt know the US had a communist president in the past. Th. Roosevelt, founder of the Progressive Party in 1912.

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10 hours ago, Autochthon1990 said:

"Police being held responsible if a black man gets killed under questionable circumstances"

Yes!    Really any man, not just black men.    But this is what is needed.

The problem is that the mayors of these cities refuse to force the police (who report to the mayor) to make meaningful policy changes.   This has been happening for a long time and the democrat mayors have led the cities for a long time.   No change.  They are even throwing blame at Trump instead of at themselves.   They run the cities and control the policies.   I think they are afraid to make the union mad.

It's the mayors of these cities who need to improve accountability.  

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Jerry Gallo
14 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Just asking because there seems to be a lot of blame going around before the facts are even known.

Like every cop involved shooting in history? 

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14 hours ago, aztek said:

lmao, sure that is exactly why he held his knee on his neck, because floyd was registered democrat,  relevance isn't your strong suite is it? 

but since you mentioned that here is another fun fact for you,not a single democrat leader did anything to stop the riots, they only threw more gasoline on the fire,. like i said 100% dems fault

and comprehension is not yours?    I did not say that officer Chauvin killed George Floyd because he was a democrat.

        I was responding to your claim that all of the ,what you call "riots" are 100% Democrat's fault...by pointing out that the act which sparked the recent demonstrations was perormed by a registered Republican.     I realize that he could have been a democrat or anything else....   I just thought your  100% dems fault  comment was a bit simplistic.

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9 hours ago, jmccr8 said:

Will

I drive a Cadillac and use a broom to brush the snow off of it in winter.:D

jmccr8

Righton ..I like a fairly soft bristle push broom... for efficiency !     :P

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13 minutes ago, lightly said:

and comprehension is not yours?    I did not say that officer Chauvin killed George Floyd because he was a democrat.

        I was responding to your claim that all of the ,what you call "riots" are 100% Democrat's fault...by pointing out that the act which sparked the recent demonstrations was perormed by a registered Republican.     I realize that he could have been a democrat or anything else....   I just thought your  100% dems fault  comment was a bit simplistic.

and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite,  democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it,   it has  0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is,   what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected,  and if biden, it will still continue,. 

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Gromdor
42 minutes ago, Jerry Gallo said:

Like every cop involved shooting in history? 

No.  We know who did the shooting in cop involved incidents.  This one we don't even know who killed him yet.  Unless, you are implying cops shot him- which you are free to do as people are already assigning culprits without knowing who truly did it.  Those were the people I was addressing anyways.

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1 minute ago, aztek said:

and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite,  democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it,   it has  0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is,   what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected,  and if biden, it will still continue,. 

Maybe because the riots aren't about Democrat/Republican politics but a deeper unaddressed issue?  I mean we already elected "Law and Order" Trump as president- what magical ability is he going to get to stop it by being reelected that he doesn't possess now?  He's tried the Fed thug approach in Portland already and all they ended up doing was beating moms and vets.

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5 minutes ago, aztek said:

and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite,  democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it,   it has  0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is,   what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected,  and if biden, it will still continue,. 

and I stand by what I said comprehension isn't yours?

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5 minutes ago, lightly said:

and I stand by what I said comprehension isn't yours?

should i answerer this as a republican, or as a liberal would? 

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Jerry Gallo
31 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

No.  We know who did the shooting in cop involved incidents.  This one we don't even know who killed him yet.  Unless, you are implying cops shot him- which you are free to do as people are already assigning culprits without knowing who truly did it.  Those were the people I was addressing anyways.

As you certainly know, who is generally far less relevant than why - cop or no cop. In the least, would just be nice to have both before the world melts down over it. 

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21 minutes ago, aztek said:

should i answerer this as a republican, or as a liberal would? 

Both if you would please.  It would be interesting.

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1 minute ago, lightly said:

Both if you would please.  It would be interesting.

no, you do not get it both ways, either or.

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Fair enough

1 minute ago, aztek said:

no, you do not get it both ways, either or.

Ok.. thanks !     let's hear it as a liberal !    :P

Q:  "comprehension isn't yours? ". .(strong point)

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OverSword
20 hours ago, Setton said:

More precisely:

Far right white nationalist extremist Trump supporter killed near Portland protests.

More precisely:

Far right wing white nationalist extremist Trump supporter killed murdered near Portland protests.

 

Fixed it for you.

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Cookie Monster
49 minutes ago, aztek said:

and i stand by what i said relevance isn't your strongest suite,  democrats not only do not do anything to stop it but encourage it,   it has  0 difference what the cops politica, affiliation is,   what is more interesting, that dems vp candidate said that riots will continue if trump is reelected,  and if biden, it will still continue,. 

Calls have started in the Democrat party for Biden to oppose the rioting because it is damaging them in the polls. Seems some of them have sense even if its not the leadership.

The accuracy of the polls is all over the place at the moment. Because of the heightened tensions and strong feeling present, then people arent disclosing if they are pro-Trump when asked because they cannot be bothered with the grief they will get.

Maybe this is why the polls were so off with his first win? This time its even worse lol.

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aztek
40 minutes ago, lightly said:

Fair enough

Ok.. thanks !     let's hear it as a liberal !    :P

Q:  "comprehension isn't yours? ". .(strong point)

sorry i tried, but i can't, i really tried, i went over posts of our liberal friends,  tried to copy paste their liberal irrelevant tantrums,  without giving them a credit, but i just can't put it under my name, that hate and intolerance i  can't sign for.  

so i'll answer as a republican would;  it is your right to think so, but i disagree,    the protests were never about cops political affiliation, no one ever brought it up before.  so it is 100% democrats fault,  not every single democrat,  but democratic leadership. in those cities that are burning,   i thought that would go without saying, but i guess it has to be explained now.

 

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Gromdor
22 minutes ago, OverSword said:

More precisely:

Far right white nationalist extremist Trump supporter killed murdered near Portland protests.

 

Fixed it for you.

So self defense has been ruled out before we even have a suspect or motive? 

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2 minutes ago, Gromdor said:

So self defense has been ruled out before we even have a suspect or motive? 

No motive?  Okay.

It's safe to say the motive was somebody didn't agree with his politics.

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25 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

Calls have started in the Democrat party for Biden to oppose the rioting because it is damaging them in the polls. Seems some of them have sense even if its not the leadership.

The accuracy of the polls is all over the place at the moment. Because of the heightened tensions and strong feeling present, then people arent disclosing if they are pro-Trump when asked because they cannot be bothered with the grief they will get.

Maybe this is why the polls were so off with his first win? This time its even worse lol.

kamala said these riots will continue, if trump wins, they will still continue if biden wins, this is people's movement  which is pretty clear to me, they are not controlling it,  "the movement" controls them, and it has nothing to do with people,  do we want someone who has no control to be in charge???

i have little doubts, soon enough trump grows tired, and sends NG, and DHS, it may not be legal, but people will welcome law and order, and he'll get off. 

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7 minutes ago, OverSword said:

No motive?  Okay.

It's safe to say the motive was somebody didn't agree with his politics.

wouldn't it be a hate crime?

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18 hours ago, Setton said:

The man who was killed was a member of Patriot Prayer. You think they stand for what's right?

Demonizing a group you actually know nothing about?  Is that right?  You can read on Wikipedia where it says they are "far right" but what does that mean?  Does supporting the police,  supporting law and order, having patriotic feelings, make someone "far right"?  I think to accurately name a group as "far right"  you would have to prove separatism and/or a goal to overthrow the government.  Being on the right does not automatically make someone or a group actually far right.  Throw a label around enough and rob it of it's meaning.
 

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1 hour ago, aztek said:

sorry i tried, but i can't, i really tried, i went over posts of our liberal friends,  tried to copy paste their liberal irrelevant tantrums,  without giving them a credit, but i just can't put it under my name, that hate and intolerance i  can't sign for.  

so i'll answer as a republican would;  it is your right to think so, but i disagree,    the protests were never about cops political affiliation, no one ever brought it up before.  so it is 100% democrats fault,  not every single democrat,  but democratic leadership. in those cities that are burning,   i thought that would go without saying, but i guess it has to be explained now.

 

                      Mhm^  :rolleyes:

  Fair enough :)

i know the protests weren't political in the beginning....but they're getting more so?   The protests were ,and still should be, about Police Reform.   Police should be peace keepers.  When they arrest someone they should ,of course, maintain their and the public's safety     BUT  they need to use the least amount of force necessary to get the job done.   Inflicting pain on someone will cause them to RESPOND....it's human nature..    Twisting the arm more will not convince the person to "STOP RESISTING" !!!   Many of the accepted procedures are idiotic and counter productive.   And how many cases of two and three cops dealing with one unarmed man resulting in his death does it take to prove a case for excessive force ?    Hello?

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2 hours ago, Gromdor said:

Maybe because the riots aren't about Democrat/Republican politics but a deeper unaddressed issue?  I mean we already elected "Law and Order" Trump as president- what magical ability is he going to get to stop it by being reelected that he doesn't possess now?  He's tried the Fed thug approach in Portland already and all they ended up doing was beating moms and vets.

That's naive in the extreme, this is a left-wing movement.

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