Kosovo and Serbia Sign with Trump

[stevewinn]

11 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Nah. I've got different perception of Russia than you can understand. 

Also, the EU is and will be tuning its relations with Russia according to the objective situation, not desperate and deranged ideas of few isolationist politicians. 

Russians are everywhere in your Brexit. It's an obvious fact. The bizarre need to destroy the EU, the use of Russian troll machine, the actual oligarchs owning half if not more of everything you used to be... And your only ally, the great builder of a collapsing section of a wall that wasn't paid by Mexico, is notorious Putin's puppet.

So... not my walls. Yours. Not so much closing as collapsing. But who cares.  

 

On topic. 

You made some pro-Trump noises. The reality is different, Trump was useless at best and the chaos he created could lead into open conflict at worst. 

Only a complete idiot would introduce the volatility of Palestine situation in Kosovo and vice versa. And only an idiot would not notice it was a work of an idiot. 

Would you care to explain which facet of that particular bizarre idiocy you found the most attractive? 

I thought you understood the great Russian plan. In answer to your question. What I found most attractive,  - all of it. 

[Helen of Annoy]

7 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

I thought you understood the great Russian plan. In answer to your question. What I found most attractive,  - all of it. 

Of course I understand Putin's plans. Even you could if you were able to see the realistic position and abilities of your nation. He's using the most irrational and the most stupid in each western country to destabilize it, both inside by insisting on divisions within a society and in international relations by insisting on isolationism and hostilities. Your political option was the stupidest and the most irrational in your country. Of course you'll die denying the obvious. Only the intelligent and confident people can admit their mistakes and do everything to fix the damage. 

 

So, you can't even repeat what was it all about? You're here just for the verbal abuse? 

Poor steve. Go away, little Englander, before someone steps on you. Shoo. 

[stevewinn]

11 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Of course I understand Putin's plans. Even you could if you were able to see the realistic position and abilities of your nation. He's using the most irrational and the most stupid in each western country to destabilize it, both inside by insisting on divisions within a society and in international relations by insisting on isolationism and hostilities. Your political option was the stupidest and the most irrational in your country. Of course you'll die denying the obvious. Only the intelligent and confident people can admit their mistakes and do everything to fix the damage. 

 

So, you can't even repeat what was it all about? You're here just for the verbal abuse? 

Poor steve. Go away, little Englander, before someone steps on you. Shoo. 

You do know putin got on the phone to Trump, he said get yourself over there destabilise the region, apparently trump said to Putin no, you send Alexander, Putin was furious, he told trump to stop using his real name and to use his Russia agent name 'boris' anyway Boris was to busy destabilising the EU for Russian gain so trump had to go. 

Vlad has started to move his pieces, raising tensions between, Greece and Turkey, the UK weakening the EU, and Trump starting the 1001th war in the balkans so Russia can invade. Its all coming together. People though you was crackers Helen, but not me I knew you were right all along those damn Russians. 

 

Edited September 11, 2020 by stevewinn

[Helen of Annoy]

10 hours ago, stevewinn said:

You do know putin got on the phone to Trump, he said get yourself over there destabilise the region, apparently trump said to Putin no, you send Alexander, Putin was furious, he told trump to stop using his real name and to use his Russia agent name 'boris' anyway Boris was to busy destabilising the EU for Russian gain so trump had to go. 

Vlad has started to move his pieces, raising tensions between, Greece and Turkey, the UK weakening the EU, and Trump starting the 1001th war in the balkans so Russia can invade. Its all coming together. People though you was crackers Helen, but not me I knew you were right all along those damn Russians. 

 

It's a nice word salad you tossed there, but that's not what I said. 

You can act dense all you want but even your intelligence services came out publicly about Russian influence on your politicians. Brexiters tried to spin that but - except you, voluntarily dense - the rest of the world knows Brexit was propped by Russians. 

 

So, can you say something on topic or you want me to keep pointing out your ultra-sovereignty is a result of foreign meddling?  

[stevewinn]

1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said:

It's a nice word salad you tossed there, but that's not what I said. 

You can act dense all you want but even your intelligence services came out publicly about Russian influence on your politicians. Brexiters tried to spin that but - except you, voluntarily dense - the rest of the world knows Brexit was propped by Russians. 

 

So, can you say something on topic or you want me to keep pointing out your ultra-sovereignty is a result of foreign meddling?  

Im in agreement with you Helen, its the master Russian plan, they got trump elected, caused Brexit, damn good those Russians, its all down to the great leader Putin, which other leader in the world could influence the word such as he, he got 62 million people to vote Trump in, then got 17 million to vote Brexit, and he done ALL this by using facebook and twitter. oh and a red bus,  A RED BUS the clues where there all along. but it goes beyond that, Greece/Turkey tensions are rising, The French have sent their aircraft carrier fully combat ready to the eastern Med because of the Turkish tensions, Trump destabilising Kosovo (to keep on topic) all part of the master plan influenced and carried out under the command of Putin. prepare Helen Prepare, remember during covid the Russians helping out, while the eu abandoned them, you'll remember the pictures of Russian military driving down Italian streets. that was a putin recon mission, drawing maps for when they invade. (Russians are old school, they wouldnt use a printed map, A to Z, google maps or GPS)

[Helen of Annoy]

36 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

Im in agreement with you Helen, its the master Russian plan, they got trump elected, caused Brexit, damn good those Russians, its all down to the great leader Putin, which other leader in the world could influence the word such as he, he got 62 million people to vote Trump in, then got 17 million to vote Brexit, and he done ALL this by using facebook and twitter. oh and a red bus,  A RED BUS the clues where there all along. but it goes beyond that, Greece/Turkey tensions are rising, The French have sent their aircraft carrier fully combat ready to the eastern Med because of the Turkish tensions, Trump destabilising Kosovo (to keep on topic) all part of the master plan influenced and carried out under the command of Putin. prepare Helen Prepare, remember during covid the Russians helping out, while the eu abandoned them, you'll remember the pictures of Russian military driving down Italian streets. that was a putin recon mission, drawing maps for when they invade. (Russians are old school, they wouldnt use a printed map, A to Z, google maps or GPS)

 

But you ("conservatives", "populists", "isolationists", conspiracy theorists, panicky racists and such) truly are people so naive you will swallow any propaganda, no matter how illogical, as long as it comes from "your", panicky side. 

You for example seem to believe, or be willing to pretend to believe Italy had any real help from Russia. It was a propaganda operation, you naive soul, and it was exposed and criticized as such in Italian media and in Italian population. 

Italy is still member of that EU that "abandoned" them and no one mentions the Russian propaganda operation, let alone attempts to realign Italy with Russia. The "abandonment" consisted of justified not efficient enough reaction to pandemic on the EU level (the Union is still young and learning) but for large part it was not giving all the attention and means to Italy (which was pretty lame of them, the rest of us would like to survive too). 

It is only fair I mention that Russia does help for real, whenever they can. They used to drop by with their fire-fighting planes and help us put out our summer wildfires. Spasiba, Rossija! Sadly, they've got too many of those of their own now. Croatia too loves to help in the same way, to any country, whenever we can. 

And speaking of Italy and COVID, Italy sent a real convoy with real help and experienced personnel to Croatia when the infection had spread to us. That gesture was very appreciated, both on state level and among population. Gracie, Italia! 

So, why is Italy still in the EU? According to your deeply disturbed calculation, they should have been on their way out for months now.

I told you they're just using the aggressive beggar tactics occasionally, but no, you were celebrating their imminent exit from the EU.

Can you begin to notice your conclusions are irrational?       

 

So, let me ask you again, do you even understand what Kosovo crisis is about? 

Apart from dropping by to praise Trump for screwing up Kosovo situation harder, can you even understand why was his bizarre show so damaging to the area? Can you understand why it's very dangerous to try merging ME with south-east Europe issues?  

[stevewinn]

49 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

 

But you ("conservatives", "populists", "isolationists", conspiracy theorists, panicky racists and such) truly are people so naive you will swallow any propaganda, no matter how illogical, as long as it comes from "your", panicky side. 

You for example seem to believe, or be willing to pretend to believe Italy had any real help from Russia. It was a propaganda operation, you naive soul, and it was exposed and criticized as such in Italian media and in Italian population. 

Italy is still member of that EU that "abandoned" them and no one mentions the Russian propaganda operation, let alone attempts to realign Italy with Russia. The "abandonment" consisted of justified not efficient enough reaction to pandemic on the EU level (the Union is still young and learning) but for large part it was not giving all the attention and means to Italy (which was pretty lame of them, the rest of us would like to survive too). 

It is only fair I mention that Russia does help for real, whenever they can. They used to drop by with their fire-fighting planes and help us put out our summer wildfires. Spasiba, Rossija! Sadly, they've got too many of those of their own now. Croatia too loves to help in the same way, to any country, whenever we can. 

And speaking of Italy and COVID, Italy sent a real convoy with real help and experienced personnel to Croatia when the infection had spread to us. That gesture was very appreciated, both on state level and among population. Gracie, Italia! 

So, why is Italy still in the EU? According to your deeply disturbed calculation, they should have been on their way out for months now.

I told you they're just using the aggressive beggar tactics occasionally, but no, you were celebrating their imminent exit from the EU.

Can you begin to notice your conclusions are irrational?       

 

So, let me ask you again, do you even understand what Kosovo crisis is about? 

Apart from dropping by to praise Trump for screwing up Kosovo situation harder, can you even understand why was his bizarre show so damaging to the area? Can you understand why it's very dangerous to try merging ME with south-east Europe issues?  

very dangerous situation indeed, but that's what Putin wants and what Putin wants, he gets. you should know this better than most. you've been warning us about it for years but we were all to naive to believe you.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, stevewinn said:

very dangerous situation indeed, but that's what Putin wants and what Putin wants, he gets. you should know this better than most. you've been warning us about it for years but we were all to naive to believe you.

I understand you must be frustrated, but don't be mad at me for assessing the situation accurately, unlike you. You base your assessments on your malicious wishes and irrational myths of supremacy.

And you still refuse to face the facts. You've been played, yes, by Russians. 

Anyone not completely stupid could tell that the Brexit is not about to yield anything good for the UK, especially not for the common people and that Russian propaganda machine is not working for it because they wish you well. They helped you commit political suicide. Their oligarchs will profit from your political and historic stupidity, buying the remnants of your reputation cheaply, abusing it for their money laundering and you won't even want to stop that, because it takes admitting the reality first.  

 

So, you don't understand Kosovo situation? Would you like me to explain it to you? 

In short, the archaic British idea of having one hegemonic nation to control an area has crashed and burned and no matter how hard the likes of you and expansionist Serbs too b**** and moan, you can't turn time back. You're obsolete. 

Kosovo is an independent state and will join the EU. Serbia is still a hostage of radical, supremacist, irrational rhetoric that coincides with Brexiter rhetoric even in the part where you both promise supernatural economic growth, to your nation alone, once you - economically if not physically - destroy any neighbours. 

Surely even you can see how illogical that is. 

 Kidding. Of course you can't. You actually believe your progress depends on destroying your neighbours. You genuinely don't understand what cooperation means and why is it the superior model of international relations. 

So you can admire Trump's unintentional (I give him that, he truly doesn't know what he's doing) creating of a super-crisis, merging ME and Kosovo crisis into one. But no one sane can, because his chaotic joke of an agreement, about which there's no agreement what exactly was agreed, opens more possibilities for an escalation of conflicts both in the ME and in Kosovo, while offering zero solutions, even for the everyday, solvable problems. 

 

That's what's being done in Bruxelles, where real talks between Kosovo and Serbia are going on. Everyday life will be made a bit easier for both Serbs and Kosovars, while they both wait for the turbo-nationalist troglodytes in Serbia to lose the support of archaic political options in Russia, Britain and now in the US too.  

[Duke Wellington]

You could be rich @Helen of Annoy

With the stuff you post here I`m sure if you took some samples and then sent them across to Rockstar Games along with your CV they could create quite a character off you in the upcoming GTA VI. I would buy a copy just to listen to you lol.

You say Britain isn`t superior and has made a mistake leaving the EU. But our history shows us that we really are something quite exceptional. We have been the greatest nation so far in human history. We built the modern world. And despite more recent additions to our country our people are the same people because its the same blood flowing through our veins.

Americans are great too. The reason? Well they are Brits as well (albeit independent ones). Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are all filthy rich and advanced too. The British way is best, we invented it, we taught them it, and it works. Its not an approach which amounts to `international socialism or collectivism` its based on individualism and libertarianism (thats not the same as liberalism). Its about giving people the freedom to innovate and live up to their potential.

The EU is not about that, its about making all member states equal to prevent another world war between them. They do okay, but they are prevented from standing out from the crowd and shining. Doing okay means they will never be great. But with good old fashioned British nostalgia we decided to leave and have a second crack at being great. And it would seem Americans are also from Mars just like us with their election of Trump.

They know what they are really capable of too - civilization building.

Edited September 12, 2020 by Cookie Monster

[stevewinn]

3 hours ago, Helen of Annoy said:

I understand you must be frustrated, but don't be mad at me for assessing the situation accurately, unlike you. You base your assessments on your malicious wishes and irrational myths of supremacy.

And you still refuse to face the facts. You've been played, yes, by Russians. 

Anyone not completely stupid could tell that the Brexit is not about to yield anything good for the UK, especially not for the common people and that Russian propaganda machine is not working for it because they wish you well. They helped you commit political suicide. Their oligarchs will profit from your political and historic stupidity, buying the remnants of your reputation cheaply, abusing it for their money laundering and you won't even want to stop that, because it takes admitting the reality first.  

 

So, you don't understand Kosovo situation? Would you like me to explain it to you? 

In short, the archaic British idea of having one hegemonic nation to control an area has crashed and burned and no matter how hard the likes of you and expansionist Serbs too b**** and moan, you can't turn time back. You're obsolete. 

Kosovo is an independent state and will join the EU. Serbia is still a hostage of radical, supremacist, irrational rhetoric that coincides with Brexiter rhetoric even in the part where you both promise supernatural economic growth, to your nation alone, once you - economically if not physically - destroy any neighbours. 

Surely even you can see how illogical that is. 

 Kidding. Of course you can't. You actually believe your progress depends on destroying your neighbours. You genuinely don't understand what cooperation means and why is it the superior model of international relations. 

So you can admire Trump's unintentional (I give him that, he truly doesn't know what he's doing) creating of a super-crisis, merging ME and Kosovo crisis into one. But no one sane can, because his chaotic joke of an agreement, about which there's no agreement what exactly was agreed, opens more possibilities for an escalation of conflicts both in the ME and in Kosovo, while offering zero solutions, even for the everyday, solvable problems. 

 

That's what's being done in Bruxelles, where real talks between Kosovo and Serbia are going on. Everyday life will be made a bit easier for both Serbs and Kosovars, while they both wait for the turbo-nationalist troglodytes in Serbia to lose the support of archaic political options in Russia, Britain and now in the US too.  

WOW, so the question is how are we going to stop the Russians, its must naturally follow im sure unselecting/unelect Trump andit goes without saying reversing Brexit, but who or what can achieve this? its not going to be easy the natural enemy of Russia was always the US and UK, but they've fallen and are now in the Russian sphere of influence thanks to Russian propaganda via twitter and Facebook, Putins Russian Federation is pulling all the strings.

Edited September 12, 2020 by stevewinn

[Duke Wellington]

17 minutes ago, stevewinn said:

WOW, so the question is how are we going to stop the Russians, its must naturally follow im sure unselecting/unelect Trump andit goes without saying reversing Brexit, but who or what can achieve this? its not going to be easy the natural enemy of Russia was always the US and UK, but they've fallen and are now in the Russian sphere of influence thanks to Russian propaganda via twitter and Facebook, Putins Russian Federation is pulling all the strings.

Bring the Eurofighters and battle brigades home from Eastern Europe!

An obvious mistake has been made, we are supposed to be pawns of the Russians not their opponents.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

Bring the Eurofighters and battle brigades home from Eastern Europe!

An obvious mistake has been made, we are supposed to be pawns of the Russians not their opponents.

Yeah, I understand you're trying to somehow swim out of the thread in which you posted while forgetting you've got no idea what you're talking about. But you're swimming in the wrong direction. 

The way EU will shape its relations with Russia is not your problem anymore. You are in the Russian sphere of influence, together with the US. Unimaginable as it is, that is how it is right now.  

Of course, everyone sane hopes it'll change soon, but at the moment, you are much more likely to act in Russian than your own interest. Everyone can see that, based on your decisions so far. 

 

Back on topic, which is Kosovo, which is something you keep conveniently forgetting, probably because all you know is that any conflict at the EU door is good for you, but no one bothered to prepare the narrative for you on that exact topic.  

The independence of Kosovo is the final nail in the coffin of British project called Yugoslavia. 

Such federation would be a good idea, if it was done with no hidden hegemonic agenda. But it always was a Serboslavia, British (supremacist, hostile politicians, not everyone up there) insurance that a portion of Europe will be isolated and de-Europeized. South-east problem solved. Only it wasn't, it just festered and festered until it burst. 

The beauty of Kosovo independence is in the fact that Serbs started three expansionist wars and lost them all, but with Kosovo they are losing a portion of territory they should be able to legitimately claim as theirs too. I do expect they'll be guaranteed their rights in Kosovo, but they could have had it since early 1990's, in any former YU republic, without any dead, maimed and expelled.

If only their role wasn't being a thorn in the EU side. It was paid with such horrifying deaths and so many destruction. And yet you can't understand why I detest you political option so much. 

[Duke Wellington]

3 minutes ago, Helen of Annoy said:

Yeah, I understand you're trying to somehow swim out of the thread in which you posted while forgetting you've got no idea what you're talking about. But you're swimming in the wrong direction. 

The way EU will shape its relations with Russia is not your problem anymore. You are in the Russian sphere of influence, together with the US. Unimaginable as it is, that is how it is right now.  

Of course, everyone sane hopes it'll change soon, but at the moment, you are much more likely to act in Russian than your own interest. Everyone can see that, based on your decisions so far. 

 

Back on topic, which is Kosovo, which is something you keep conveniently forgetting, probably because all you know is that any conflict at the EU door is good for you, but no one bothered to prepare the narrative for you on that exact topic.  

The independence of Kosovo is the final nail in the coffin of British project called Yugoslavia. 

Such federation would be a good idea, if it was done with no hidden hegemonic agenda. But it always was a Serboslavia, British (supremacist, hostile politicians, not everyone up there) insurance that a portion of Europe will be isolated and de-Europeized. South-east problem solved. Only it wasn't, it just festered and festered until it burst. 

The beauty of Kosovo independence is in the fact that Serbs started three expansionist wars and lost them all, but with Kosovo they are losing a portion of territory they should be able to legitimately claim as theirs too. I do expect they'll be guaranteed their rights in Kosovo, but they could have had it since early 1990's, in any former YU republic, without any dead, maimed and expelled.

If only their role wasn't being a thorn in the EU side. It was paid with such horrifying deaths and so many destruction. And yet you can't understand why I detest you political option so much. 

In our media here they have been talking a lot about the Balkans.

Now the war has been over 20 years they are looking at a way to recreate the Federal Yugoslavia you speak off. They figure if Yugoslavia entered the EU rather than separate states it would be far more stable.

It might be why the US is normalising Serbia so a way of integrating you all back together can be found.

[odas]

4 hours ago, Cookie Monster said:

You could be rich @Helen of Annoy

With the stuff you post here I`m sure if you took some samples and then sent them across to Rockstar Games along with your CV they could create quite a character off you in the upcoming GTA VI. I would buy a copy just to listen to you lol.

You say Britain isn`t superior and has made a mistake leaving the EU. But our history shows us that we really are something quite exceptional. We have been the greatest nation so far in human history. We built the modern world. And despite more recent additions to our country our people are the same people because its the same blood flowing through our veins.

Americans are great too. The reason? Well they are Brits as well (albeit independent ones). Canada, Australia, and New Zealand are all filthy rich and advanced too. The British way is best, we invented it, we taught them it, and it works. Its not an approach which amounts to `international socialism or collectivism` its based on individualism and libertarianism (thats not the same as liberalism). Its about giving people the freedom to innovate and live up to their potential.

The EU is not about that, its about making all member states equal to prevent another world war between them. They do okay, but they are prevented from standing out from the crowd and shining. Doing okay means they will never be great. But with good old fashioned British nostalgia we decided to leave and have a second crack at being great. And it would seem Americans are also from Mars just like us with their election of Trump.

They know what they are really capable of too - civilization building.

Yes, true. Too bad Croatia or Bosnia did not advance that way too, by plundering other countries, killing off the indigineous people, waging wars against most countries in the world...Easy to be rich when you have stolen everything what belonged to others. Europe does not need you. Smells better without your ilk.

[Helen of Annoy]

 OMG, that piece of furniture thinks he can manipulate actual people with actual brains   

[odas]

12 minutes ago, Cookie Monster said:

In our media here they have been talking a lot about the Balkans.

Now the war has been over 20 years they are looking at a way to recreate the Federal Yugoslavia you speak off. They figure if Yugoslavia entered the EU rather than separate states it would be far more stable.

It might be why the US is normalising Serbia so a way of integrating you all back together can be found.

Haha you really think we would let Serbia rule again over us? You are talking about stuff you have no clue about.

So we should all go back and feed Serbia the money that we earn thru tourism in Croatia, mining and electrodistribution in Bosnia? Just like the old days, eh? We work and they got the beneffits? And we got nothing in return other then be second class citizens?

Wasn't this the main agenda you wanted the Brexit?

Keep on talking, you make me laugh!!!

[Duke Wellington]

20 minutes ago, odas said:

Yes, true. Too bad Croatia or Bosnia did not advance that way too, by plundering other countries, killing off the indigineous people, waging wars against most countries in the world...Easy to be rich when you have stolen everything what belonged to others. Europe does not need you. Smells better without your ilk.

In Britain we believe in sharing - whats our is ours, and whats yours is ours too!

[Helen of Annoy]

8 minutes ago, odas said:

Haha you really think we would let Serbia rule again over us? You are talking about stuff you have no clue about.

So we should all go back and feed Serbia the money that we earn thru tourism in Croatia, mining and electrodistribution in Bosnia? Just like the old days, eh? We work and they got the beneffits? And we got nothing in return other then be second class citizens?

Wasn't this the main agenda you wanted the Brexit?

Keep on talking, you make me laugh!!!

He was outright lying. There's no such interest in their media or such stupidity of a plan. Poor thing imagines he's smart so he wanted to make me worry, because he doesn't understand history, politics or people with functional brains. He saw it from steve, who thinks I can be afraid of Russians. 

They want some revenge for being humiliated with facts I remind them of  

[Duke Wellington]

1 minute ago, Helen of Annoy said:

He was outright lying. There's no such interest in their media or such stupidity of a plan. Poor thing imagines he's smart so he wanted to make me worry, because he doesn't understand history, politics or people with functional brains. He saw it from steve, who thinks I can be afraid of Russians. 

They want some revenge for being humiliated with facts I remind them of  

It wasn`t to make you worry at all.

It was to show you how absurd your thinking is. Britain is an opponent of Russia, not its puppet.

[Helen of Annoy]

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

It wasn`t to make you worry at all.

Yes, it was. Only you suck at mind games. You have to be smarter than the one you wish to manipulate, you piece of furniture. 

 

1 hour ago, Cookie Monster said:

It was to show you how absurd your thinking is. Britain is an opponent of Russia, not its puppet.

You're obviously not informed about the situation in your country. It's immersed in that stinky propaganda borscht you call Brexit.

 

Why don't you go hold hats now or whichever is your god given function?