The head VD Spewer in the US

[stereologist]

Wit the election looming in the US, Trump is bringing in another spewer of VD. This guy comes from a right wing think tank.

https://www.yahoo.com/news/trumps-new-coronavirus-adviser-uses-madeup-statistics-and-false-claims-to-praise-white-house-pandemic-response-200528324.html

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Atlas is affiliated with the conservative Hoover Institution at Stanford University. An expert in brain imaging, he has no experience with pandemic response but appears to have parlayed his frequent appearances on Fox News into a White House appointment.

Can you say racist?

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Later, Atlas tried to blame those spikes on antiracism protests and on immigrants from Mexico.

Here is this guy Atlas acting like one of t he ignorant asses:

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He made the same point on Friday, arguing that “the impact of prolonging the lockdown is worse than the impact of the disease,” despite overwhelming evidence that lockdowns helped save lives, and that even nonfatal cases of COVID-19 have been shown to inflict serious and potentially long-lasting damage to the heart and other organs.

Look like this guy might be trying to join the ranks of the right wing wackos like the malignant narcissist named Trump.

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“Europe has done 38 percent worse than the United States in excess mortality,” he said. “No one talks about this.”

Trump and Republicans have repeatedly asserted in recent weeks that excess mortality in Europe is 40 percent higher than that in the United States. The principal problem with this assertion is that it is not true. Trump appears to have simply made up the statistic, and a fact check of the claim by the Annenberg Public Policy Center found it to be false.

Bolding mine. The only people that will belive this are the ranks of the rather ignorant Trumpians.

 

[stereologist]

Before we had the people with knowledge such as Fauci and Birx providing the public with proper statements.

Looks like Trump has giving up on lying to the American public and has his puppet to lie for him.

https://news.yahoo.com/trumps-new-coronavirus-adviser-uses-madeup-statistics-and-false-claims-to-praise-white-house-pandemic-response-200528324.html

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Trump's new coronavirus adviser uses made-up statistics and false claims to praise White House pandemic response

Looks like there is a turd in the bathtub. Hope out and beware.

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Confronted by the BBC interviewer regarding his lack of expertise, Atlas lashed out. “You know, I have to laugh at that,” he said, adding that it was “sort of silly” to think a virologist or immunologist was needed to deal with the pandemic.

You bet, that's what we have.

[acute]

Where did Trump get this guy from?  Everything he says is total bullsquirt!

He obviously has his tongue lodged firmly up Donald's chocolate starfish.

 

Edited September 5, 2020 by acute
Sorry, was that too graphic? :D

[stereologist]

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/04/909348915/president-trumps-new-covid-19-advisor-is-making-public-health-experts-nervous

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"He has no expertise in any of this stuff," Jha says. "He's been bringing out arguments that have been refuted week after week, month after month, since the beginning of this outbreak."

And here is a message to all of ding bats that point to Sweden

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It is true that building up immunity can limit or even stop the spread of a virus like COVID-19, says Chris Murray, director of the Institute for Health Metrics and Evaluation at the University of Washington.

But in the past, that strategy has only worked through vaccination. The idea that you somehow could allow the virus to spread through healthy populations without also putting older and sicker Americans at risk is naive, he says.

"It's very difficult to protect vulnerable populations once the virus is transmitting extensively," he says. "We haven't seen any success of that."

And a warning to all of the VD spewers and nitwits.

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"COVID is dramatically more risky for everybody than the flu," he says. "There's just no comparison. It's at least an order of magnitude worse — tenfold or more."

Moreover, people face a range of experiences with COVID-19. It's not a dichotomy of death or recovery. There is increasing evidence that some people who beat COVID-19 have lingering side effects. CDC data indicates that roughly a third of COVID survivors ages 18-34 suffer health effects like fatigue and cough for weeks after they're no longer infectious. There's also reports of strokes and more serious complications, though the data isn't quite clear on how common that is.

And for all of those ruthless people more interested in their wallets than their fellow citizens

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"The way you improve the economy is by controlling the virus, that's what we have seen in other countries," says Jha. "South Korea's economy is doing much much better than ours, because they controlled the virus."

 

[stereologist]

1 minute ago, acute said:

Where did Trump get this guy from?  Everything he says is total bullsquirt!

He obviously has his tongue lodged firmly up Donald's chocolate starfish.

He was a radiologist that went to a conservative think tank that is willing to suggest we should kill people to keep those wallets full.

[stereologist]

Here is the scary prediction.

https://www.npr.org/sections/health-shots/2020/09/04/909348915/president-trumps-new-covid-19-advisor-is-making-public-health-experts-nervous

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"The worst is most assuredly not behind us, unfortunately," Murray says. So far, he says, coronavirus has followed the predictable course of many other respiratory viruses, and there's no reason to think that will change. "It'll only get slowly and steadily worse through the fall. And then it'll really start to pick up, unfortunately, in late November and December."

 

[acute]

3 minutes ago, stereologist said:

He was a radiologist that went to a conservative think tank that is willing to suggest we should kill people to keep those wallets full.

The good news is.....

Atlas is easy to fact-check, on the fly, instantaneously, from your own memory, as it happens, in real time. 

[stereologist]

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Dr. Scott W. Atlas has argued that the science of mask wearing is uncertain, that children cannot pass on the coronavirus and that the role of the government is not to stamp out the virus but to protect its most vulnerable citizens as COVID-19 takes its course.

Ideas like these, both ideologically freighted and scientifically disputed, have propelled the radiologist and senior fellow at Stanford University’s conservative Hoover Institution into President Donald Trump’s White House, where he is pushing to reshape the administration’s response to the pandemic.

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-dr-scott-atlas-trump-adviser-20200902-wjraesamizcp7l5hh7ome645mq-story.html

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“I think Trump clearly does not like the advice he was receiving from the people who are the experts — Fauci, Birx, etc. — so he has slowly shifted from their advice to somebody who tells him what he wants to hear,” said Dr. Carlos del Rio, an infectious disease expert at Emory University who is close to Birx, the White House coronavirus response coordinator.

So you get a guy with some letters after his name to say things about matters he  has no expertise in.

This is not a matter of an appeal to authority unless your appeal is to dummies. Anyone with even half a brain will try to follow the evidence.

So here is an example of the issue

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The core of his appeal in the West Wing rests in his libertarian-style approach to disease management in which the government focuses on small populations of at-risk individuals — the elderly, the sick and the immune-compromised — and minimizes restrictions for the rest of the population, akin to an approach used to disastrous effect in Sweden.

Kill and injure lots of people and have no effect on the wallets, but claim victory.

And you know the clowns are out in force with this

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Atlas declined a request to be interviewed, but Judd Deere, a White House spokesman, accused the news media of trying to “distort and diminish” his beliefs and record, adding that the adviser “is working to carry out the president’s No. 1 priority: protecting the health and safety of the American people.” White House officials said there had never been an attempt to shift policy to anything resembling herd immunity.

 

[acute]

33 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Before we had the people with knowledge such as Fauci and Birx providing the public with proper statements.

Birx tried to stay on Donald's side of the argument to start with, but she eventually realized that you can't support Trump's view and speak the truth.

[stereologist]

What we have seen is that the US president, a malignant narcissist, cares little about human lives. He'd rather kill people than have his personal wealth be diminished.  It's who he is.

Now he has brought in a political spin artist from the Hoover Institute to stop following the evidence trail.

[acute]

Can you imagine the mess that the world would be in after another 4 years of this?

The USA will be finished.

[stereologist]

So here is the problem in a nutshell

https://www.chicagotribune.com/coronavirus/ct-nw-nyt-dr-scott-atlas-trump-adviser-20200902-wjraesamizcp7l5hh7ome645mq-story.html

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Dr. David Dowdy, an infectious disease epidemiologist at Johns Hopkins University who has researched and written about herd immunity, said that “the appeal of the concept of herd immunity is that it suggests we can simply go about doing our regular daily lives and the coronavirus pandemic will take care of itself,” but that it has been tried and has not worked. “Where we have had less stringent responses, we’ve had more cases and more deaths,” he said.

Herd immunity is not going to work in an environment where idiot anti-vaxxers are not going to get immunized. I have seen posters here at U-M promote the herd immunity idea but also state they are not going to take the vaccine. This is coming from an organism with an anus at both ends of the gastrointestinal canal that also lacks anything more complex than a ganglion.

 

[stereologist]

1 minute ago, acute said:

Can you imagine the mess that the world would be in after another 4 years of this?

The USA will be finished.

I'll be living in the third world. Maybe I am and don't realize it

[acute]

[acute]

19 minutes ago, stereologist said:

I'll be living in the third world. Maybe I am and don't realize it

I'm a historian who knows, from what has gone before, that no empire lasts forever.

The USA has been the dominant culture and power for some time, but that doesn't mean it can't come to an end.

It inevitably will, whether it's immediately apparent or a gradual decline.

 

Edited September 5, 2020 by acute

[stereologist]

15 minutes ago, seanjo said:

You're not, I've been to third world places, you are privileged.

 

By the way, Sweden's herd immunity plan seems to be paying off...

I've spent a lot of time in the third world as well. Wonderful place to visit as a tourist.

Sweden does not have herd immunity and the plan has failed.

[stereologist]

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-scott-atlas-herd-immunity/2020/08/30/925e68fe-e93b-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html

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Sweden’s handling of the pandemic has been heavily criticized by public health officials and infectious-disease experts as reckless — the country’s infection and death rates are among the world’s highest. It also hasn’t escaped the deep economic problems resulting from the pandemic.

And here is  message to all of those Trumpian-boneheads that want to kill their fellow citizens

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But infectious-disease experts strongly dispute that, noting that more than 25,000 people younger than 65 have died of the virus in the United States. In addition, the United States has a larger number of vulnerable people of all ages because of high rates of heart and lung disease and obesity, and millions of at-risk people live outside nursing homes — many in households with children, whom Atlas believes should return to school in person.

bolding mine.

 

The evidence is clearly against this guy who seems as intent as Trump at maiming and killing people

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“When younger, healthier people get the disease, they don’t have a problem with the disease. I’m not sure why that’s so difficult for everyone to acknowledge,” Atlas said in an interview with Fox News’s Brian Kilmeade in July. “These people getting the infection is not really a problem, and in fact, as we said months ago, when you isolate everyone, including all the healthy people, you’re prolonging the problem because you’re preventing population immunity. Low-risk groups getting the infection is not a problem.”

 

[stereologist]

Just now, seanjo said:

Really?

I suppose you do not understand the terms being used. Nothing you posted has anything to do with  herd immunity.

Good going. Please learn what the terms mean. Then you can preach whatever you like.

 

[stereologist]

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Estimates for the share of a population that would need to be infected have ranged from 20 percent to 70 percent. Soumya Swaminathan, the World Health Organization’s chief scientist, said that given the transmissibility of the novel coronavirus, it is likely that about 65 to 70 percent of a population would need to become infected to achieve herd immunity.

In the United States, with a population of 328 million, reaching a 65 percent threshold for herd immunity may require 2.13 million deaths, assuming the virus has a 1 percent fatality rate, according to an analysis by The Post.

https://www.washingtonpost.com/politics/trump-coronavirus-scott-atlas-herd-immunity/2020/08/30/925e68fe-e93b-11ea-970a-64c73a1c2392_story.html

Sweden was under 7% last tally I saw. Even if they are at 5x that number they are far below herd immunity.

Funny how the clueless think and post BS based on their idiotic political horse pucky.

[stereologist]

Atlas is the president's Hermann Goering. He wants to trade money for deaths. How Trumpish is that?

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Atlas’s appointment comes after Trump earlier this summer encouraged his White House advisers to find a new doctor who would argue an alternative point of view from Birx and Fauci, with whom the president has grown increasingly annoyed for public comments that he believes contradict his own assertions that the virus’s threat is receding. Advisers sought a doctor with Ivy League or top university credentials who could make the case on television that the virus is a fading danger.

So it turns out this guy will lie for whatever makes him happy. Fame makes him happy. He will lie for fame.

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Atlas has also said he is unsure “scientifically” whether masks make sense, despite broad consensus among scientists that they are effective. He has selectively presented research and findings that support his argument for herd immunity and his other ideas, two senior administration officials said.

 

[stereologist]

I like this.

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Birx has been at odds with Atlas on several occasions, with one disagreement growing so heated at a coronavirus meeting in August that other administration officials grew uncomfortable, according to a senior administration official.

Birx stood up for lives to this guy who cares little if people die or are injured.

Go Birx!

[stereologist]

Curious when we read this

https://www.foxnews.com/media/dr-scott-atlas-coronavirus-vaccine-end-lockdowns

Sounds like this dead beat is hoping that the vaccines will over up his mistakes.

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"We've got to keep in mind what we're trying to do here," he said. "You don't eradicate the virus by locking down. You minimize the damage here and remember that the harms of a lockdown are severe. The lockdown itself kills people, destroys families, prevents education of our children."

He says this horse puckey which did not happen.

And this thug follows up with this

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"Patients are doing better, the younger people are getting most of the cases they're not gonna ... have a serious problem," he said. "We know the data looks pretty good on the vaccine and [it's] amazing how fast things are going."

It  is known that 1/4 of the people that get this disease are showing organ damage.  Will we end up with millions of convalescent people? We don't know and Atlas pretending that is not the case is another Trump stooge lying to the people of the US.

[stereologist]

If you are a VD spewer and want to shed some of t he problem you get another VD spewer to take part of the blame.

Looks like the case here. Birx and Fauci were going to e honest. Not good for a malignant narcissist like Trump.

[stereologist]

2 minutes ago, seanjo said:

"Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections,"

What would herd immunity look like on a graph?

You are the one that posted graphs and that has nothing to do with herd immunity.  Your quote even shows you are wrong.

 

[Grim Reaper 6]

4 hours ago, seanjo said:

"Herd immunity is a form of indirect protection from infectious disease that occurs when a sufficient percentage of a population has become immune to an infection, whether through vaccination or previous infections,"

What would herd immunity look like on a graph?

Herd immunity may never be possible with COVID19, because as we are finding out people in rare cases are being infected a second time within months of the first infection. No one claims to know how long immunity lasts from this Virus, but getting back to Herd Immunity, according to the Mayo Clinic 70% or 2 Million Americans would need to be infected to achieve Herd Immunity, but that is only if there is a long lasting immunity in the first place, which doesn't appear to be occurring.

https://www.mayoclinic.org/diseases-conditions/coronavirus/in-depth/herd-immunity-and-coronavirus/art-20486808