Trump Admits Intent to Mislead on Virus

[Raptor Witness]

Not holding key pubic officials in the U.S. to account, for a crisis which can easily be compared to other, similar nations; which were equally at risk, is a level of indifference that I would never imagine in a civilized society.

You can whitewash stupid, but not calculated indifference. President Trump and his appointed crew, who collaborated, should be investigated by a grand jury, not by fellow politicians.

Edited September 14, 2020 by Raptor Witness

[RoofGardener]

52 minutes ago, Raptor Witness said:

Not holding key pubic officials in the U.S. to account, for a crisis which can easily be compared to other, similar nations; which were equally at risk, is a level of indifference that I would never imagine in a civilized society.

You can whitewash stupid, but not calculated indifference. President Trump and his appointed crew, who collaborated, should be investigated by a grand jury, not by fellow politicians.

Have you read ANY of the posts here ?

 

[stereologist]

8 hours ago, Will do said:

 

The only thing that's succeeded here is the spread of a particularly cruel disease that's altered the minds of otherwise healthy people by an onslaught of lies perpetrated by a level of insanity never seen before in them. The Left.

Of course those who suffer from this disease aren't aware of it. That's the number one sympton of having the disease. Absolute ignorance of it. As you can see here, the utter lack (dis) of ease.

 

 

Yes, you are definitely suffering from the disease. The cure is to follow the evidence. You might be cured if you follow the evidence.

[stereologist]

8 hours ago, Will do said:

 

We like trump fails. In case you haven't noticed, hands on his hips, every one of them has defeated you, or is going to defeat you and your fellows.

 

 

More evidence you have the disease you mentioned.

[stereologist]

6 hours ago, Free99 said:

He did what he was supposed to do he couldn’t shut the world down over it people still have to be able to function. I’ve done the math on it since day one. Sit down and take the time and look at the numbers. Yes it’s a deadly virus but in reality it’s not much worse than the common flu. 

Apparently you have NOT done the numbers.  A typical flu kills 60,000 people in the US. So far 193,000 deaths in the US. That's triple a normal flu and the year is not over.

[stereologist]

5 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

My apologies  @Gromdor; I mis-read your post as saying 'foreign travellers', not 'travellers'. Even so, I'm not sure that stopping inter-state travel is constitutional ???

*late edit* Aha... I'm wrong. This is covered under section 361 of the Public Health Service Act (42 U.S. Code § 264), ACtually, even THAT is not entirely correct. The Code allows officials to detain and test people crossing a state line, but not necessarily to simply prevent them crossing WITHOUT testing them ???

Oh gosh yes. Try this as a primer ? https://www.vox.com/recode/2020/4/13/21214114/media-coronavirus-pandemic-coverage-cdc-should-you-wear-masks

President Trump would have had GREAT difficulty stopping ALL travel from China. What about returning US citizens, for example ? He did what was what was possible,  within his powers, and unlikely to be challenged by the courts at the time. 

In hindsight, I would agree with that @Manwon Lender, and I would probably have recommended the same. However, at the time (we're talking back in late February/early March here), President Trump merely followed the advice of the CDC, the WHO, and Academia, as indeed did the Press. And in the absence of hindsight, I probably would have as well.

Interstate travel restrictions were imposed. Early on Florida stopped New York cars. Vermont also roadblocked people from entering from New York.

Again false about China travel. It was a poor travel ban that did not stop people from coming here from China. Over 3000 people entered from China while Trump is boasting about his pretend restriction. Now that we see it was a failure we get a sad excuse "GREAT difficulty stopping ALL travel from China". That's a bad excuse since travel bans were implemented by the US with travel to Europe.

Again, the travel restrictions with China were more of a pretend that Trump was doing something since he allowed people to reroute their travel plans and come here. Pointing to the travel ban with China is pointing out a Trump failure.

 

Oooops. Have to apologize about his travel ban. I stated it was 3000 that came here. I was wring it was 8000! For those Trumpians I am using your favorite FOX news as the source.

https://www.foxnews.com/world/8000-chinese-nationals-came-into-us-after-trump-travel-ban-coronavirus

[stereologist]

Here is one of the falsehoods being pushed in this thread. It was an off the cuff remark that the evidence shows is dead wrong.

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The WHO and the CCP  was saying otherwise weren't they?

https://www.who.int/news-room/detail/27-04-2020-who-timeline---covid-19

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30 January 2020

The WHO Director-General reconvened the Emergency Committee (EC). This was earlier than the 10-day period and only two days after the first reports of limited human-to-human transmission were reported outside China. This time, the EC reached consensus and advised the Director-General that the outbreak constituted a Public Health Emergency of International Concern (PHEIC). The Director-General accepted the recommendation and declared the novel coronavirus outbreak (2019-nCoV) a PHEIC. This is the 6th time WHO has declared a PHEIC since the International Health Regulations (IHR) came into force in 2005.

WHO’s situation report for 30 January reported 7818 total confirmed cases worldwide, with the majority of these in China, and 82 cases reported in 18 countries outside China. WHO gave a risk assessment of very high for China, and high at the global level.

Bolding mine.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States

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On January 3, CDC Director Robert Redfield was notified by a counterpart in China that a "mysterious respiratory illness was spreading in Wuhan [China]"; he notified HHS Secretary Alex Azar, who shared the report with the National Security Council (NSC). According to The Washington Post, warnings about the virus were included in the President's Daily Brief in early January, an indicator of the emphasis placed on the virus by the intelligence community.^[3][2]

On January 5, the World Health Organization (WHO) reported a "pneumonia of unknown cause" in Wuhan, China. The WHO advised against travel or trade restrictions at the time.^[4]

 

[stereologist]

3 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Hmm... I'm not so sure @Manwon Lender. Where would this "intelligence information" come from, if not the WHO and the CDC, along with various medical and epidemiological experts in Academia and the Hospitals ? And all of THEM where  promoting the "don't panic/not-a-problem" narrative at the time ?   

 

I've already posted the evidence in this thread that Trump knew by the first week of January.

[stereologist]

2 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

Oh, you're making complete sense, @Manwon Lender. I'm just challenging your underlying assumptions about what the President would - or would not - have 'known' back in February/March  

Depends what  "the truth' is, I suppose ? But recall that back in February,  "the truth", as expounded by the WHO and the CDC, was that coronavirus wouldn't be THAT much of a problem ? 

False. The WHO and CDC knew it was a problem as of January. Evidence posted in this thread.

Here is more.

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On January 6, CDC Director offered in a letter to Chinese officials to send a team of CDC scientists to assist China. China did not accept the offer for several weeks, which delayed the U.S. access to the virus, important for developing diagnostic tests and a vaccine.^[2] China did release genetic data on the new coronavirus on January 9.^[5]

During the week of January 6, officials of the Department of Health and Human Services (HHS) convened an intra-agency task force including Redfield (CDC), Azar (HHS), and Anthony S. Fauci, Director of the National Institute of Allergy and Infectious Diseases.^[2]

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Timeline_of_the_COVID-19_pandemic_in_the_United_States

[stereologist]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

Have you read ANY of the posts here ?

 

There is  lot of made up tripe here for sure. People should be posting evidence to support their stories.

[lightly]

In the February Woodward interview trump stated that Covid was 5 times as deadly as even  'the most strenuous flu' 

 and soon thereafter he told us all that it was like a mild flu. . or less severe than flu.     The reason he lied was not to protect us from panic...it was because he was terrified of an economic slowdown affecting his chance for reelection.  In hindsight, I wonder if he sees that 'strategy' as a mistake?   I doubt it. He seems to be entirely incapable of ever admitting a mistake.

Edited September 14, 2020 by lightly

[stereologist]

Although there is the claim that the media was downplaying COVID-19 during February and March, the fact is that the big stories at the time were the cruise ships.

Here we have an April report concerning one of the cruise ships.

https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/27/3/taaa030/5766334

Here is March 26 in Nature about the ship that detected COVID onboard on February 1

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w

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Some of the first studies from the ship — where some 700 people were infected — have revealed how easily the virus spreads, provided estimates of the disease’s severity and allowed researchers to investigate the share of infections with no symptoms.

Information gleaned from such outbreaks is crucial for people making decisions on how to manage the epidemic, say researchers.

“Cruise ships are like an ideal experiment of a closed population. You know exactly who is there and at risk and you can measure everyone,” says John Ioannidis, an epidemiologist at Stanford University in California. This is very different from trying to study the spread in a wider population, where only some people, typically those with severe symptoms, are tested and monitored.

Article from Feb 23

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-quarantine-went-wrong-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

Here is February 18

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/02/10/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-japan-more-cases-passengers/4712110002/

The newspaper article discusses all of the cruise ship cancellations and that cruise ships are the biggest outbreaks outside of China.

Below that is an article dated March 2

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Coronavirus, explained: Everything to know about COVID-19, the deadly virus alarming the world

That sure sounds like this suggestion that the media was downplaying COVID in February/March is BS.

[RoofGardener]

41 minutes ago, stereologist said:

Although there is the claim that the media was downplaying COVID-19 during February and March, the fact is that the big stories at the time were the cruise ships.

Here we have an April report concerning one of the cruise ships.

https://academic.oup.com/jtm/article/27/3/taaa030/5766334

Here is March 26 in Nature about the ship that detected COVID onboard on February 1

https://www.nature.com/articles/d41586-020-00885-w

Article from Feb 23

https://www.businessinsider.com.au/how-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-coronavirus-quarantine-went-wrong-2020-2?r=US&IR=T

Here is February 18

https://www.usatoday.com/in-depth/news/2020/02/10/coronavirus-diamond-princess-cruise-ship-japan-more-cases-passengers/4712110002/

The newspaper article discusses all of the cruise ship cancellations and that cruise ships are the biggest outbreaks outside of China.

Below that is an article dated March 2

That sure sounds like this suggestion that the media was downplaying COVID in February/March is BS.

The media articles in the US from February/March tell a different story ? 

From a January CNN article... "... "We believe the current risk to this virus is low," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a press conference on Friday. "For families sitting around the dinner table tonight, this is not something they need to worry about." https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/17/health/wuhan-virus-us-airport-screenings-china-bn/index.html

And from mid-February.. "... The Wuhan coronavirus is currently thought to be more mild than SARS and MERS and takes longer to develop symptoms. Patients to date have typically experienced a mild cough for a week followed by shortness of breath, causing them to visit the hospital, explains Peter Horby, professor of emerging infectious diseases and global health at the University of Oxford..."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/20/health/what-is-coronavirus-explained/index.html

".... But in general, the public should do "what you do every cold and flu season," said Dr. John Wiesman, the health secretary in Washington state -- where the first US case of Wuhan coronavirus was confirmed.""

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/22/health/coronavirus-us-precautions/index.html

In general, their reporting was almost exclusively about the impacts on China, and the economic impact on the supply chain,  until around late February, and even into March. You can read their full timeline here ... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/13/world/cnn-coronavirus-coverage/index.html

A more helpful viewpoint on this is here, as it gives an overview of what the White House was saying, as well as Media and Politicians. .... 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-house-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by RoofGardener

[Buzz_Light_Year]

Don't forget this one that has been mentioned before.

WHO Quietly Changes COVID Timeline following Republican Questioning

What else have they quietly altered to cover their ****'s.

[RavenHawk]

Here's a podcast that I think is the definitive timeline concerning Trump downplaying covid.  I listen to several podcasts during the day.  It is more for the background noise so I usually don't take notes, but this one stuck out.  I posted it in one thread on another forum so I think I'll share it here.  It is an episode of Dan Bongino's podcast.  He does excellent work at breaking things down:

Episode 1342 (Woodward scandal - first half of podcast).

[lightly]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

The media articles in the US from February/March tell a different story ? 

From a January CNN article... "... "We believe the current risk to this virus is low," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a press conference on Friday. "For families sitting around the dinner table tonight, this is not something they need to worry about." https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/17/health/wuhan-virus-us-airport-screenings-china-bn/index.html

And from mid-February.. "... The Wuhan coronavirus is currently thought to be more mild than SARS and MERS and takes longer to develop symptoms. Patients to date have typically experienced a mild cough for a week followed by shortness of breath, causing them to visit the hospital, explains Peter Horby, professor of emerging infectious diseases and global health at the University of Oxford..."

 

Yes,  at the time ....the risk was still very low in most of the country.....plus , it was a NEW VIRUS and most people didn't yet understand the severity and seriousness of it.  Apparently, many still don't !  Somehow....Trump  was informed of the severity and seriousness by late Jan. Or early Feb. ..and yet, has never shared that knowledge with us.. For fear of public panic?  Why do I doubt that as the reason?

i would bet that , even though informed , he did not, could not, or would not Understand it.   I think he actually thought it would  "go away".  He always thinks he knows more than his advisors...whatever the subject !

  As sterologist showed....the cruise ships were perfect labs to study the virus amoung a contained population.   On one ship,shortly after the outbreak, a portion of the passengers tested positive..and were isolated.  <that group had 20% Asymptomatic cases.   The remaining passengers were issued  masks and precautions. (distancing/hand washing).   The next portion of masked passengers who tested positive had 80% Asymptomatic cases....which suggests that Viral Dose ,amount of virus injested at time of exposure, may have been the reason for that percentage difference !

Edited September 14, 2020 by lightly

[stereologist]

1 hour ago, RoofGardener said:

The media articles in the US from February/March tell a different story ? 

From a January CNN article... "... "We believe the current risk to this virus is low," Dr. Nancy Messonnier, director of the CDC's National Center for Immunization and Respiratory Diseases, said at a press conference on Friday. "For families sitting around the dinner table tonight, this is not something they need to worry about." https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/17/health/wuhan-virus-us-airport-screenings-china-bn/index.html

And from mid-February.. "... The Wuhan coronavirus is currently thought to be more mild than SARS and MERS and takes longer to develop symptoms. Patients to date have typically experienced a mild cough for a week followed by shortness of breath, causing them to visit the hospital, explains Peter Horby, professor of emerging infectious diseases and global health at the University of Oxford..."

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/20/health/what-is-coronavirus-explained/index.html

".... But in general, the public should do "what you do every cold and flu season," said Dr. John Wiesman, the health secretary in Washington state -- where the first US case of Wuhan coronavirus was confirmed.""

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/22/health/coronavirus-us-precautions/index.html

In general, their reporting was almost exclusively about the impacts on China, and the economic impact on the supply chain,  until around late February, and even into March. You can read their full timeline here ... https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/13/world/cnn-coronavirus-coverage/index.html

A more helpful viewpoint on this is here, as it gives an overview of what the White House was saying, as well as Media and Politicians. .... 

https://www.foxnews.com/politics/from-new-york-to-canada-to-the-white-house-initial-coronavirus-responses-havent-aged-well

 

Let's begin with the first CNN article

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/20/health/what-is-coronavirus-explained/index.html

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"What we know is it causes pneumonia and then doesn't respond to antibiotic treatment, which is not surprising, but then in terms of mortality, SARS kills 10% of the individuals," Poon, a virologist at the School of Public Health at The University of Hong Kong, said.

It's not clear how deadly the Wuhan coronavirus will be, but fatality rates are currently lower than both MERS and SARS. Experts stress that it will change as the outbreak develops.

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The Wuhan coronavirus is currently thought to be more mild than SARS and MERS and takes longer to develop symptoms. Patients to date have typically experienced a mild cough for a week followed by shortness of breath, causing them to visit the hospital, explains Peter Horby, professor of emerging infectious diseases and global health at the University of Oxford. So far, around 15% to 20% of cases have become severe, requiring, for example, ventilation in the hospital.

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/01/22/health/coronavirus-us-precautions/index.html

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The novel coronavirus is a public health emergency in the United States, said Alex Azar, secretary of the Department of Health and Human Services.

Once the health emergency declaration goes into effect at 5 p.m. ET Sunday, US citizens returning to the United States who have been in China's Hubei province in the two weeks before their return will be subject to up to 14 days of mandatory quarantine, officials said Friday.

The development came a day after the State Department announced a highest-level warning urging citizens not to travel to China due to the outbreak.

Also Thursday, the CDC said the husband of an Illinois woman with Wuhan coronavirus is infected with the illness -- the first confirmed case of person-to-person transmission in the United States.

A public health emergency. Is that supposed to be downplaying?

 

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/13/world/cnn-coronavirus-coverage/index.html

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President Donald Trump on Monday falsely claimed the media had ignored the outbreak of coronavirus in January and February, as he sought to defend his response to the pandemic.

CNN was covering this important story from the start.

The first story that CNN published on the novel coronavirus came on January 6 as the world began to learn about a new disease spreading in Wuhan, China. Below is a sample of CNN's online coverage of the outbreak as it expanded from Wuhan to the rest of the world.

Thanks for proving you are wrong.

https://www.msn.com/en-us/health/medical/cdc-to-screen-at-three-us-airports-for-signs-of-new-virus-from-china/ar-BBZ4jAe

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More than 100 staffers from the US Centers for Disease Control and Prevention are being deployed to three US airports to check passengers arriving from Wuhan, China, for fever and other symptoms of a mysterious new virus that's killed two and infected dozens in China, the CDC announced Friday.

It's a highly unusual step. The last time the CDC did routine passenger health screening was during the 2014 Ebola outbreak, according to Dr. Martin Cetron, director of the CDC's division of global migration and quarantine.

"I've been here since 1996, and that's the only other time we've ever done this -- for Ebola," Cetron said.

The article is stating this is a threat that the US has not seen in over a quarter century except for Ebola.

They tell people at home not to worry at that point in time, but they point out it is a threat.

Let's check your next article.

https://edition.cnn.com/2020/04/13/world/cnn-coronavirus-coverage/index.html

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Jan. 22: Trump responds to whether he's concerned about a possible pandemic, “No. Not at all. And we have it totally under control. It’s one person coming in from China, and we have it under control. It’s going to be just fine." Trump was referring to a resident from Snohomish County, Wash., who came back from China on Jan. 15 and was diagnosed with the coronavirus.

And there is the downplaying. Not from the media but from the White House and specifically from Trump

[Raptor Witness]

Remembering the Central Park Five, and Donald Trump’s use of hate and fear, to poison public opinion, when of course these young men turned out to be innocent.

So why is it just a virus that Trump is afraid of telling the truth telling about? Why is it only human beings that he stokes fear?

 

Edited September 14, 2020 by Raptor Witness

[Golden Duck]

10 hours ago, RoofGardener said:

..Depends what  "the truth' is, I suppose ? But recall that back in February,  "the truth", as expounded by the WHO and the CDC, was that coronavirus wouldn't be THAT much of a problem ? 

There's no precedent to justify lying si we just resort to whataboutism.  Despite record showing WHO had declared a public health alarm, were discussing pandemic, and stated they didn't want to play down the virus.

If you hold Sweden as an example of a well informed public acting responsibly, whats the point of rationalising that the American public should be lied to.  Why defend the lies when it is a "nothing burger"?

[Michelle]

11 minutes ago, Golden Duck said:

There's no precedent to justify lying si we just resort to whataboutism.

WHO declared it a pandemic on March 11th. (after warnings)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/icd/Announcement-New-ICD-code-for-coronavirus-3-18-2020.pdf#:~:text=On March 11%2C 2020,COVID-19 Outbreak.

Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco's Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns (on Feb 24th).

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/

Fine example Democrats set. 

[Golden Duck]

2 minutes ago, Michelle said:

WHO declared it a pandemic on March 11th. (after warnings)

https://www.cdc.gov/nchs/data/icd/Announcement-New-ICD-code-for-coronavirus-3-18-2020.pdf#:~:text=On March 11%2C 2020,COVID-19 Outbreak.

Nancy Pelosi Visits San Francisco's Chinatown Amid Coronavirus Concerns (on Feb 24th).

https://www.nbcbayarea.com/news/local/nancy-pelosi-visits-san-franciscos-chinatown/2240247/

Fine example Democrats set. 

Do you follow, or even care about, the examples that Democrats set? 

[Michelle]

1 minute ago, Golden Duck said:

Do you follow, or even care about, the examples that Democrats set? 

I'm not the one blaming politicians, of either stripe, for how the public has responded to it.

[Golden Duck]

5 minutes ago, Michelle said:

I'm not the one blaming politicians, of either stripe, for how the public has responded to it.

OK, who is? And, what does it have to do with the thread?

Trump have a reason for lying, which really has no precedent.  It's the same tired old conspiracy trotted out by ET  conspiridiots.

[Vorg]

I found the reason why he downplayed it today. I read where Trump said we had a strong economy at the time and the stock market was setting record highs.

Let people die and keep making money, or completely shut it down and lose money. You have to listen to what he says and put two plus two together. He chose personal gain over lives.

Edited September 15, 2020 by South Alabam

[bee]

4 minutes ago, South Alabam said:

I found the reason why he downplayed it today. I read where Trump said we had a strong economy at the time and the stock market was setting record highs.

Let people die and keep making money, or completely shut it down and lose money. You have to listen to what he says and put two plus two together. He chose personal gain over lives.

 

I'm sorry but that is complete nonsense -

Trump didn't want to create panic.... it was a new strain of virus and a new situation - 

He is trying to run the country and keep the economy afloat - a balance has to be struck in an emerging situation ....

Let's face it whatever he does or says... those who are waging the War Against Trump and the war against making America great again will twist everything into a negative - ignore reality and hunt for anything and everything to try and turn voters against him... ...