Images of Mars

[toast]

6 hours ago, M-Albion said:

Discussion forums give the opportunity to have people like Mr. Batman - whatever his name is.  They are notorious and vulgar and they are here.and probably couldn't afford to even if they did.

Discussion forums give the opportunity to have people like you as well. Means, people who use the opportunity given to spread all kind of nonsense which cannot be backed by any scientific facts. The huge amount of nonsense you posted here is notorious and vulgar viewed from an intellectually point of view, and thus it gets debunked. Its a mission, a mission to fight stultification.

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Others who are here to discuss openly about their thoughts, will notice their arrogant and supposed expertise in one of more subjects and lash out with all manner of nasty arrogant crap, thinking they are superior, which they are not. For them, they must be glued to their screen, all day and night round the globe, waste deep in the muck they hope to through out there. Now can you imagine that, just for a moment what their private lives must be like, very, very ugly indeed.

Your attempt^^ to find approval and solidarity will fail but is, somehow, funny.

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Fortunately, they are quite noticeable from their intimidating sick "image photo" to the use of highly demeaning comments. Unfortunately, we have to put up with their sick antics. But, once they are exposed, they become less effective, nothing more than a nuisance and a waste of internet space. Be gone with you and your sick minds! Sadly, they never take the hint

Maybe you didnt noticed, but your "we" does not exist here.

[M-Albion]

onlookerofmayhem said:

Exactly the point everyone has been trying to make.

The same thing is occurring when you are looking at pictures of Mars.

Why do you seem to think pareidolia can only occur on Earth?

 

Very very simple and this is the point.

On Earth,  we know the reality of the target observation,  a tree, a cloud etc. we can confirm the observation, but on Mars, we cannot confirm the reality, we've not been there, we simply don't know.

Unless you want to make a speculation what that is, then you can only speculate on the reality of such an observation.

But of course, your speculation maybe entirely wrong.

 

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by M-Albion

[M-Albion]

11 minutes ago, toast said:

Discussion forums give the opportunity to have people like you as well. Means, people who use the opportunity given to spread all kind of nonsense which cannot be backed by any scientific facts. The huge amount of nonsense you posted here is notorious and vulgar viewed from an intellectually point of view, and thus it gets debunked. Its a mission, a mission to fight stultification.

Your attempt^^ to find approval and solidarity will fail but is, somehow, funny.

Maybe you didnt noticed, but your "we" does not exist here.

But toast, it IS backed by science, these are NASA's own photographs, I didn't make them up, "straight from the horses mouth so to say".

It is you that is experiencing the discomfort of Cogitative Dissonance, not I dude.

 

[onlookerofmayhem]

7 minutes ago, M-Albion said:

But of course, your speculation maybe entirely wrong.

I agree. 

Surely you understand that you are being held to the same standard in this thread?

You have asked for and have been given the opinions of others in relation to the pictures you have posted.

The overwhelming consensus is that the pictures are not what you are claiming them to be.

So we are pretty much at an impasse here until you go to Mars and obtain actual proof that the pictures are what you are claiming them to be. 

[Mr Walker]

11 hours ago, Saru said:

I would put this down to pareidolia.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Pareidolia

There have been countless claims over the years of everything from microwave ovens to skulls on Mars - you can make out recognizable shapes in any image of the Martian landscape if you look hard enough - it's a natural tendency of the brain to identify meaningful shapes in abstract patterns.

yep people once swore they could see canals on mars  

[Mr Walker]

10 hours ago, M-Albion said:

Pareidolia, what's that?

Do you really know what pareidolia is, or are you using the term in the hope that people can use the term to somehow explain a image anomaly?

Sounds authoritative doesn't it? Pareidoliahhhhh....?

But what we are really talking about here has a better term and one we are really familiar with - "Optical Illusion" Here's the skinny:

An optical illusion (also called a visual illusion^[2]) is an illusion caused by the visual system and characterized by a visual percept that arguably appears to differ from reality. Illusions come in a wide variety; their categorization is difficult because the underlying cause is often not clear^[3] but a classification^[1][4] proposed by Richard Gregory is useful as an orientation and continues: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Optical_illusion

 

There is only one possible factor which can indicate whether; the likelihood of a group of pixels with a recognizable pattern is; an artificial design as opposed to natural terrain when viewing an object in these images, where the reality of it, is not known or better said, not understood:

CONGRUENCE or, a relationship.

the quality of being similar to or in agreement with something: https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/congruence

The question is; Do, one or more sites, on Mars, depict a familiar (pattern Recognition) "style" or better put, "a Design Signature which is Congruent?

Of course the nay-sayers will claim, it's all a bunch of pareidolia in which case, one has to ask the question, why are we taking so many (thousands) of hi resolution images of the Martian surface, with very special (and expensive) hardware! looking for a place to have a pick nick possibly?

 

 

kinda true While the human mind fills in gaps and creates patterns when perceiving and interpreting images (especially from a distance where definition is not precise)  it is also true that there has to be some physical form of resemblance to begin with to give our minds somehtng to work on 

(As an aside i couldn't see any of the patterns referred to in the 3 photos shown in one post.)

   The problem here is the number of unknowns.

Um !! One reason for the photos is the same reason for overflights of the moon in the 60s

ie  We are looking for both safe landing sites, and possible locations for habitat placement( such as lava tubes,)  ready for  human settlement on mars in the next  decade or so.  

[Mr Walker]

6 hours ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

https://www.merriam-webster.com/dictionary/unsee

Definition of unsee

 

transitive verb

1: to fail to see (something) : to avoid seeing (something)Countless people have studied the painting and never seen the hidden likeness in it. Yet, once it comes to your attention, you can't unsee it again.— Kenneth Baker

2: to forget having seen (something) : to erase the image of (something) from one's memoryLike at the porn expo, you see things at the poker expo you can never unsee.— Bill Simmons

Tobe pedantic 1 is not unseeing it is a failure to see in the first place and once something is seen it cannot be unseen  

 

The second is more accurate, but is not real  (physically possible)  ie we cant actually "unsee" things, anymore than we can "unsmell"  or "untaste"  something  That is why the term is used as it is. ie we wish we could unsee something, but we never can. (short of amnesia) 

[Mr Walker]

3 hours ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

That is nowhere near what was said to you.

So far all the pictures you have posted are nothing but pareidolia in my opinion.

What do you see in this picture? :

 

 

I see what is in the picture.

Am i meant to see something which isn't there?

  I mean i can guess this is a cord tied to something to enable it to be pulled down from a height.  Something relatively light like a blind,  but also functional rather  than decorative, so maybe something in a work shop ? The knot  requires some technical skill, which also allows more possible deductions.

 The other possibility is that rather than being used to pull something down, it is being used to hold something up. We have many pictures hanging from similar hooks,  although we would use a lot tidier knot     So again,maybe in a work shop rather than a house.

  Lastly, it maybe a relatively heavy  "picture"  or object, as the person has chosen to attach  it to the metal,(or maybe brick)  rather than the chip board  (unless it is just painted chipboard. The definition is not adequate to tell) and has used a very complex and strong knot  

Edited September 22, 2020 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

1 hour ago, M-Albion said:

there are so many on Earth like this for example:

Austin Healey Sprite? 

About 50000 made  Still a reasonable number left but i wouldn't say  "so many"   

Edited September 22, 2020 by Mr Walker

[Mr Walker]

1 hour ago, onlookerofmayhem said:

Is English your primary language?

You've been told the same thing by almost a dozen other posters...

You are mistaking things that are vaguely shaped like other things as being what they are not. I'm not sure how many other examples of pareidolia it will take for you to understand. 

Now this one I can actually see, and understand how a geomorphic landform could be seen as a human construct   

[ThereWeAreThen]

M-Albion reminds me of a flat earther. Don't think he actually believes in anything he says, just a troll.

[toast]

39 minutes ago, M-Albion said:

But toast, it IS backed by science, these are NASA's own photographs, I didn't make them up, "straight from the horses mouth so to say".

If you had read, and understood which you dont, the statements of NASA on their own images you would have had a different hobby already.

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It is you that is experiencing the discomfort of Cogitative Dissonance, not I dude.

"Cogitative" Dissonance, whats that? Is it vegan?

[Saru]

11 hours ago, M-Albion said:

Pareidolia, what's that?

Do you really know what pareidolia is, or are you using the term in the hope that people can use the term to somehow explain a image anomaly?

Sounds authoritative doesn't it? Pareidoliahhhhh....?

You know fine what pareidolia is - your entire argument centers around dismissing it out of hand, so stop being disingenuous.

If you look up at the sky and see a cloud shaped like the Starship Enterprise, do you think "oh, Captain Kirk is here ?" No, of course not, so why would you automatically assume that some random squiggle in a Mars photo is evidence of intelligent aliens ? Why would even want to claim that you think that ?

I wouldn't mind so much if you seemed genuine about it, but the level of blind irrationalism, coupled with your tendency to bait and insult people who disagree with you, just gives me the impression that this is more of a trolling exercise than a genuine expression of enthusiasm for what you are claiming.

If you are not going to debate honestly, then why should anyone else spend time trying to discuss this with you ?

[ThereWeAreThen]

4 minutes ago, Saru said:

You know fine what pareidolia is - your entire argument centers around dismissing it out of hand, so stop being disingenuous.

If you look up at the sky and see a cloud shaped like the Starship Enterprise, do you think "oh, Captain Kirk is here ?" No, of course not, so why would you automatically assume that some random squiggle in a Mars photo is evidence of intelligent aliens ? Why would even want to claim that you think that ?

I wouldn't mind so much if you seemed genuine about it, but the level of blind irrationalism, coupled with your tendency to bait and insult people who disagree with you, just gives me the impression that this is more of a trolling exercise than a genuine expression of enthusiasm for what you are claiming.

If you are not going to debate honestly, then why should anyone else spend time trying to discuss this with you ?

Hence my comparison to flat earthers. If you've ever seen videos of them (don't recommend it) they do the exact same thing with absolute no substance what so ever.

[quillius]

Albion, do you say that the scale makes the 'figure' circa 65 feet tall?

what does the creature eat to survive? there is obviously a lack of vegitation or animals......and I am quite sure Uber eats doesn't cover the area (though I could be wrong)

 

PS for the record I agree with Saru, I am confident you are perfectly aware of what Pareidolia is but choose to play dumb......the question is why?

[onlookerofmayhem]

2 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Am i meant to see something which isn't there?

Yes. Hence the reason I used it as an example of pareidolia. 

[keithisco]

18 hours ago, M-Albion said:

In the top right hand corner of the swath, there is a scale of 500 meters. A truly massive surface image!

I dont know if you are deliberately misconstruing my question: it refers to the "anthropomorphic" statue, not the unexceptional terrain photo. What scale are you attributing to the "statue"?

[the13bats]

8 hours ago, M-Albion said:

But if this image was discovered on Earth, say in the deep Amazon, we would say yes! this looks to be the product of intelligent design. A no doubt about it

After reading your other oddities from your alleged thinking im not surprised you would try to sell that utter rubbish as some sort of empty basis rebuttle for having zlitch yet claiming all the  Pareidolia on mars isnt just optical illusions, your mind playing tricks you are too delusional blind and dense to grasp how grossly askew you are you are so very, very flawed,

I didnt have to hit mars or even the amazon, to see this example Mazda in their intelligence didnt deliberately design a car to look like a make believe fictional movie character.

 

And we know that mars was a wasteland rock when this lovable character first hopped up around 1955 so zero way Martians created this, there were no Martians

Yet this optical illusion on mars looks far more like ketmit that any of the obscure rock formations you are trying to pass off as monkeys or lizards, nature can appear to be of intelligent designs, its not.

Now my wife a PhD in applied psychology and professor at the college is laughing at me for replying to your tripe, thanks a lot guy.

 

Edited September 22, 2020 by the13bats

[the13bats]

7 hours ago, M-Albion said:

onlookerofmayhem said:

Exactly the point everyone has been trying to make.

The same thing is occurring when you are looking at pictures of Mars.

Why do you seem to think pareidolia can only occur on Earth?

 

Very very simple and this is the point.

On Earth,  we know the reality of the target observation,  a tree, a cloud etc. we can confirm the observation, but on Mars, we cannot confirm the reality, we've not been there, we simply don't know.

Unless you want to make a speculation what that is, then you can only speculate on the reality of such an observation.

But of course, your speculation maybe entirely wrong.

 

 

If a tree falls in the forrest and no one is there to hear it...

...should squirrels wear safety helmets?

Edited September 22, 2020 by the13bats
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[the13bats]

1 hour ago, seanjo said:

I'm guessing he may have a book to sell...

I believe you hit that nail on the head, this cat reminds me of another like him, comes here once in a while trolling to get attention to try to pimp his ( poorly written. Self published ) book sales, his thing is an alleged  haunted house, and like with this guy no amount of rhyme or reason and presentation of rational logic and facts sways him because there is a lot of huge fragile ego involved and $$$ to be made.

Edited September 22, 2020 by the13bats
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[the13bats]

8 hours ago, M-Albion said:

few years ago, I made a super 3D trek right over the face and in 3D it's mind blowing. In anaglyph the back side is most revealing

Are you just that delusinal or just like lying You did not trek over the face of mars, stop making up stuff, if you mean you took someone elses pic and shopped it then make that clear and give credit to whose images you jack.

[M-Albion]

5 hours ago, Saru said:

You know fine what pareidolia is - your entire argument centers around dismissing it out of hand, so stop being disingenuous.

If you look up at the sky and see a cloud shaped like the Starship Enterprise, do you think "oh, Captain Kirk is here ?" No, of course not, so why would you automatically assume that some random squiggle in a Mars photo is evidence of intelligent aliens ? Why would even want to claim that you think that ?

I wouldn't mind so much if you seemed genuine about it, but the level of blind irrationalism, coupled with your tendency to bait and insult people who disagree with you, just gives me the impression that this is more of a trolling exercise than a genuine expression of enthusiasm for what you are claiming.

If you are not going to debate honestly, then why should anyone else spend time trying to discuss this with you ?

I know perfectly well what pareidolia is, I want you to explain what you think it is. Which you failed to do. I show you a relatively defined anthropomorphic figure on the surface and you say it's is just a rock. To me, that is a perfect example wide open eyes irrationalism (whatever that is).

So then, I post this image of an anthropomorphic figure, clearly showing two arms, two legs and a stylized head and face, standing in a posed position and you say it's "some random squiggle". Sounds more like a case of denial to me, more along the lines of truth.

If you were serious about your response, you would ask perhaps; where the anomaly is located, the time of sol, the sun angle, and date it was captured or have you found any more of these figures. You know, the Scientific Method which you conveniently forget.

So no, not scientific at all, just the same useless statement, that it ain't there, it ain't real, it's all in "your mind" ohoooo!

Really guy?

 

 

 

 

[Saru]

As it's clear that you have no intention of discussing this in good faith - there's little point keeping the discussion going.

Closed.