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Enlightenment by virtuous conduct alone...


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3 hours ago, Crazy Horse said:

And who do most people around here see as the most foolish?

It has to be CH, or Mr Walker..

So thanks for that H..

Good call.

I don't think you're stupid. At least you think outside the box.:)

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8 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

My blood pressure, sugar levels, cholesterol etc.   are all exemplary .

:yes:

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1 hour ago, Nuclear Wessel said:

:yes:

Didn't he have a heart attack not to long ago? 

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4 minutes ago, XenoFish said:

Didn't he have a heart attack not to long ago? 

Yes...

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9 hours ago, Mr Walker said:

Roflmao Classic sherapy

First, use my actual name rather than my user name to imply familiarity ,  authority or knowledge. 

Second, make an untrue statement of opinion, as if it was fact,  and fail to give any rationale/evidence  for  that statement

(My philosophies evolved as a teenager and a secular humanist 

I do like some  of the SDA lifestyle teachings (The y are similar to secular humanism and Buddhism in many ways ) but i don't follow any of their theological ones) 

My point was that it is YOUR understanding  of enlightenment which is limited and restricted  There are many forms and it is an evolving  thing 

Bucke uses Walt Whitman as a classic example of an enlightened person  Walt had many of the indicators of enlightenment posted above Enlightenment is found not just in eastern religions like Buddhism,  but among atheists and every form of faith.

In one way it is simply the outward indicator of a person with a very healthy psychological profile 

The quotes you gave from  Buddha are perfectly true, but you don't understand their meaning 

I've tried to explain to you before how I am one with the all and how this realisation came to me, and what it means in practice, but apparently  it is something beyond your abilty to comprehend or accept 

I've also pointed out that enlightenment is a path or a voyage. You spend your life moving along it.   However, there are a few critical stops along the way as you evolve a working knowledge and practice. First you have to get on the path  Then you have to work at the required practices.

BUT at some point you will have specific moments of gnosis or enlightenment, as your mind evolves the abilty to experience them. 

Imagine trekking the Himalayas.  It is hard work, but you are getting fitter and more adapted to altitude.

Then suddenly you come out above a valley  of transcendent beauty, bathed in sunshine. In a moment you are overwhelmed by many things, including new appreciations, knowledge and understandings   These never   leave you, but you continue to walk, to get stronger, fitter, and more adapted 

With luck, you  will have other similar pivotal moments of enlightenment  along your trek,   but the gradual evolution and strengthening of your mind and  body is just as important 

ps I do disagree with one aspect of the Buddhism you speak of here,  because of my modern knowledge of science, psychology and human cognition 

We ARE individuals .Our minds, like our  bodies, are evolved as individual entities 

We always will be.

The best we can achieve (while living a t least)  is to be AS one with everything ;  to connect with it, while retaining our own identity and sense of self 

Enlightenment  includes understanding this in theory, and achieving it in practice. 

More just so tales from the MW ego files. Your imaginings/narratives/interpretations “of” add nothing substantive to explore. 
 

Moving on. All the best.

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4 hours ago, SHaYap said:

That's your Euro-western centric ego taking center stage ...

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So ye sow, thus thou reap... 

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Echoes works the same way... 

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1, No, that has nothing to do with Western this, or Eastern that, it is just reason, full stop, period. 

2, Now this, I cannot disagree with. Only, GOD, is INLLIGENCE personified. And if one moves towards THAT, then THAT shall move towards one.

IT, is a SYMBYOTIC relationship.

3, All is One, how could it be any different?

As above, so below.. As below, so above.

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3 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

I don't think you're stupid. At least you think outside the box.:)

Anyone /everyone can be a fool…

 

CH does ask questions and this is a good door to walk through regardless, of the path. 

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3 hours ago, Hammerclaw said:

I don't think you're stupid. At least you think outside the box.:)

Thank you H..

That's the nicest thing you've ever said to moi, lol..

 

 

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4 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

Anyone /everyone can be a fool…

 

CH does ask questions and this is a good door to walk through regardless, of the path. 

Asking questions, rather than assuming the more negative aspects of what might be...

Has to be more productive, (for everyone..)

In a good way.

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1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said:

1, No, that has nothing to do with Western this, or Eastern that, it is just reason, full stop, period. 

2, Now this, I cannot disagree with. Only, GOD, is INLLIGENCE personified. And if one moves towards THAT, then THAT shall move towards one.

IT, is a SYMBYOTIC relationship.

3, All is One, how could it be any different?

As above, so below.. As below, so above.

You are starting your journey with a “cup” ( metaphor for head) full of preconceptions, first empty your cup.:tu:

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2 minutes ago, Sherapy said:

You are starting your journey with a “cup” ( metaphor for head) full of preconceptions, first empty your cup.:tu:

To be honest..

I think that we all start the journey with a cup full of ideas..

And eventually, one realises, that, "no thought" is better than "any thought".

Just my tuppence worth.

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when the diamond sparkles, is it the diamond sparkling?  or the light?

 

Spoiler

or awareness?

 

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25 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Asking questions, rather than assuming the more negative aspects of what might be...

Has to be more productive, (for everyone..)

In a good way.

It is, indeed, better to have questions that can't be answered, rather than answers that can't be questioned.

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29 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

To be honest..

I think that we all start the journey with a cup full of ideas..

And eventually, one realises, that, "no thought" is better than "any thought".

Just my tuppence worth.

Indeed, we all have cups ( heads) full of ideas that need to be emptied and cleaned out often. Good pull, CH.
 

One is seeking to cultivate Beginners mind. One wants to temporality relax their attachment to their own version/narrative/spin/tales of actuality, just like ShaYap pointed out earlier, In other words, Meditation or “fasting for the mind.” Nota bene: And, one isn’t trying to get anywhere or attain anything or achieve anything or evolve into something or atttach to something. :tu:

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42 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

1, No, that has nothing to do with Western this, or Eastern that, it is just reason, full stop, period. 

You're still crumbling on, none the less... 

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42 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

2, Now this, I cannot disagree with. Only, GOD, is INLLIGENCE personified. And if one moves towards THAT, then THAT shall move towards one.

IT, is a SYMBYOTIC relationship.

When attached, it is parasitic, and quite pathetically so... I must say. 

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42 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

3, All is One, how could it be any different?

As above, so below.. As below, so above.

Bend over and you'll soon know... 

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18 hours ago, XenoFish said:

We're basically dealing with people pumped up on their own egotistical superiority complex. With a added hint of self righteousness for extra flavor.

We all have our own superiority complex ( righteousness) some are aware of it and some aren’t. 

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8 minutes ago, Hammerclaw said:

It is, indeed, better to have questions that can't be answered, rather than answers that can't be questioned.

Once ONE asked a question..

One was Fuked.

One ate that fruit, and one felt, the Fall.

And now, One believes itself, separate.

And all kinds of pain, and suffering, and hardships arise due to this misunderstanding.

Yet.

Through-out the Ages.

(the internet blinked in, and out of service.

A New Hub arose.

One based upon love, joy, and just plain old simple caring.

And thus.

A New World was Born.

 

 

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6 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

You're still crumbling on, none the less... 

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When attached, it is parasitic, and quite pathetically so... I must say. 

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Bend over and you'll soon know... 

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What would you have me do?

Seriously.

Please give me some advice..

Much love.

MOI.

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1 minute ago, Crazy Horse said:

Once ONE asked a question..

One was Fuked.

One ate that fruit, and one felt, the Fall.

And now, One believes itself, separate.

And all kinds of pain, and suffering, and hardships arise due to this misunderstanding.

Yet.

Through-out the Ages.

(the internet blinked in, and out of service.

A New Hub arose.

One based upon love, joy, and just plain old simple caring.

And thus.

A New World was Born.

 

 

Dealing with dogma, get out your sledge hammer and start the demolition. :P

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2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

What would you have me do?

Nothing... 

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2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Seriously.

Not joking... 

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2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Please give me some advice..

You've had plenty, even more from your own good self, but alas... 

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2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

Much love.

Sincerity would be sufficient and much more appreciated. 

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2 minutes ago, Crazy Horse said:

MOI.

Cest la vie... c'est vous plait

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19 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

You're still crumbling on, none the less... 

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When attached, it is parasitic, and quite pathetically so... I must say. 

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Bend over and you'll soon know... 

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One word.

Projection.

Have a good life, mate.

 

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6 minutes ago, SHaYap said:

Nothing... 

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Not joking... 

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You've had plenty, even more from your own good self, but alas... 

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Sincerity would be sufficient and much more appreciated. 

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Cest la vie... c'est vous plait

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:nw:

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Just now, Crazy Horse said:

One word.

...and counting. 

Just now, Crazy Horse said:

Projection.

Reflection. 

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Just now, Crazy Horse said:

Have a good life, mate.

 

Learn, live and living first, buddy.

You too. 

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